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My nearly 3 year old M1 Touch Bar MacBook Pro is holding up well. I want to get to 5 years old before contemplating a replacement.

Amazing. 3 years in. Battery still lasts me from 8.50 to 6pm at college. Everybody else plugs in their PC laptops before lunch hour and I walk past.

Can’t wait for what’s released next week. As those innovations will be in whichever Mac I eventually replace mine with ⭐️
I have the M1 MBP and it doesn't have a Touch Bar. That was out a while ago.

Still I have to agree with you on the battery life of this M1 MBP. Absolutely superb.
 
Most of the Macs in enterprises are being used by developers.
You're not serious are you? 🤣
A Sept 21st 2023 article:

Employee preference plays a role, too. When given a choice, nearly one-quarter of Cisco’s workforce switched to Mac from PC devices, Previn said. Mac usage now stands at 60% of Cisco staff.
Most of the info comes from IDC’s worldwide mobile and consumer device trackers reports.
 
Was that Apple being pessimistic and defeatist?
That's an interesting question.

Did Apple think that the Mac Pro was not appealing enough that they had to offer a extreme version of the iMac?

I get that people who had/have those things love them. But I like many others have noticed that Apple has not offered something similar since.

I'm in the market to buy a computer. If Apple had continued with their Super Macs (I'd call it a "Big Mac" but I think that name is taken...) I may have put one on my shopping list.
 
You're not serious are you? 🤣
A Sept 21st 2023 article:


Most of the info comes from IDC’s worldwide mobile and consumer device trackers reports.
One company means nothing. It's just an anecdote. The Windows ecosystem consists of approximately a billion users, most of which are deployed in enterprise settings. The Mac user base is less than one-fifth that. If you really think the usage of Macs in enterprise is large, you're fooling yourself.
 
If you ask me, Surface devices (specifically the Surface Pro) work extremely well because of Windows. Just compare Windows to the limitations of iPad OS, especially when you use the device as a laptop replacement.
I’ve used 2 surface devices. I do use them as laptops and they are OK except for the poor battery life, but the problem is they don’t work that well as tablets. I’d imagine if you draw it would be a good device to draw on, but Windows just don’t work well for touchscreens.
 
Fuzzball84: "In my experience office runs just as well on my macs as it does on PC."

With respect to MS Office, I didn't mean that it doesn't run on Macs but rather that some features (including some useful features in Excel and elsewhere throughout the suit) are simply absent from Mac Office.
 
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That's an interesting question.

Did Apple think that the Mac Pro was not appealing enough that they had to offer a extreme version of the iMac?

I get that people who had/have those things love them. But I like many others have noticed that Apple has not offered something similar since.

I'm in the market to buy a computer. If Apple had continued with their Super Macs (I'd call it a "Big Mac" but I think that name is taken...) I may have put one on my shopping list.
I had the same question when it first came out. It felt like there was not much of a target market for it...
 
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I’ve used 2 surface devices. I do use them as laptops and they are OK except for the poor battery life, but the problem is they don’t work that well as tablets. I’d imagine if you draw it would be a good device to draw on, but Windows just don’t work well for touchscreens.

A Surface Pro is bout 2 pounds, a but heavy for a tablet (even the 12.9 iPad is only 1.5, and that's kind of heavy too). But I wish the iPads would steal the kickstand idea.
 
One company means nothing. It's just an anecdote. The Windows ecosystem consists of approximately a billion users, most of which are deployed in enterprise settings. The Mac user base is less than one-fifth that. If you really think the usage of Macs in enterprise is large, you're fooling yourself.

The poster was responding to the OP’s assertion most Macs in enterprise are used by developers. My experience as a consultant was many Macs in businesses are used by a variety of people besides developers.
 
Fuzzball84: "In my experience office runs just as well on my macs as it does on PC."

With respect to MS Office, I didn't mean that it doesn't run on Macs but rather that some features (including some useful features in Excel and elsewhere throughout the suit) are simply absent from Mac Office.

As someone who has used Office extensively I can second that, while the Mac version runs well, it lacks feature parity.
 
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Yes it is but I was referring to someone asking for M3 Air when Air is the product that needs the speed the least. M2 Air will be sufficient for anyone so there is no rush for M3 Air.

The same can't be said about the Pro line where there is never enough speed.

Isn't it great that M3 is literally Apple's slowest, smallest and most efficient macOS processor?

M3 ➞ M3 Pro ➞ M3 Max ➞ M3 Ultra
 
Yes it is but I was referring to someone asking for M3 Air when Air is the product that needs the speed the least. M2 Air will be sufficient for anyone so there is no rush for M3 Air.

The same can't be said about the Pro line where there is never enough speed.
Yeah, but anything with an M1/M2 desperately needs the starting memory increase to 12GB.
 
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New here? Apple rolled out just such a thing not so many years ago...

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Was that Apple being pessimistic and defeatist?
It was Apple bridging the gap between the trash can Mac Pro and the cheese grater Mac Pro with a Mac Pro in the shape of an iMac, hence the name iMac Pro.

This was never meant to be a replacement for the 5K iMac, which existed before, during and after the iMac Pro for less than half the price. Now there’s the Mac Studio, which fills the niche of the iMac Pro. But there’s no successor for the 5K iMac and that will come at the usual price points of about $2000 maybe $2500 but not $5000.
 
Still need to add USB-C to Apple TV remote and AirPod Max. Frankly, that should have already been done a year ago.
 
I was on fence about the 14" and 16" MBP for a few months now, and was also attracted to the new M3 chips, which the rumors suggested those machines would be released in January or in the following months. This is a nice turn of events for me if the rumors are true, but I'm still a little pessimistic Apple will release 2 iterations of MBPs within the same calendar year, but I guess sales are just that bad and this is Apple's attempt at increasing sales.


I'm not sure it is just about sales. I think Apple wants their high end M3 chips out there right after the Snapdragon event.
 
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Previn noted that within IBM, seven engineers support 200,000 macOS devices versus the 20 engineers required to support 200,000 Windows devices. That is a 186% increase in support engineering needed for Windows devices.




This is one of those stats aimed at low information voters that sounds great in a headline.

First of all IBM would have a ton of legacy workflows/apps...etc and these are mostly going to be deployed to Windows machines because MacOS doesn't support niche corporate software.

Does IBM's own software even run on MacOS? Can I run Cognos on Sonoma? Can I install a Netezza client tool on MacOS? There are simply far less applications that could even possibly run on a corporate MacOS machine. Obviously they are going to have less support calls or need less engineers to support it. Thats Windows greatest strength and biggest weakness is that it supports almost anything.

It's a simple litmus test; if Windows cost them 186% more while doing the same thing IBM would have already dumped them but yet here we are in 2023 and Windows is still there and widely used. They don't do the same thing so it's a pointless statistic.

Second of all IBM's biggest competitor is Microsoft as they both compete heavily in software, consulting services, cloud computing..etc. If they could get rid of all Microsoft they would. Thats not a petty thing but what happens all the time. I know multiple large cap retail companies that will not use AWS because Amazon owns it even though AWS specifically has nothing to do with competing with their company. Heck remember the headlines when Mark Zuckerberg ordered Facebook employees to stop using iPhones? Does that mean iPhones suck? No it means Zuckerberg has issues with Apple.
 
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Yes it is but I was referring to someone asking for M3 Air when Air is the product that needs the speed the least. M2 Air will be sufficient for anyone so there is no rush for M3 Air.

The same can't be said about the Pro line where there is never enough speed.
Oh, so you’re one of those, who are confused why the M3 might be introduced even before or along side the M3 Pro? That’s simply because chips with a smaller area are easier to produce, especially in the beginning when the yield of the new 3nm process is still low and there are many production failures, some of which will be sold as binned chips with fewer cores. The M3 Air will simply sell the junk before there are enough good chips on a waver to fusion two M3 Max together to an M3 Ultra. As long as chip engineers still need to cut away defective cpu/gpu cores an M3 Max might not end up becoming half of an M3 Ultra, but end up as a mere M3. So it’s not widespread customer demand for an M3 Air laptop specifically, but a family of M3 processors coming down the production pipe.
 
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Mac mini with M2Pro starts at 1299
Mac Studio with M2 Max starts at 1999
27" ASD starts at 1599
32" Pro XDR starting at 4999

if you expect that a larger iMac will start at 1999 (as the old 27 iMac did) - you're going to be VERY disappointed.
And if Apple expects to sell a 32" 6K iMac for $4999, they will be VERY disappointed. People who bought the Pro Display XDR or the iMac Pro were always a tiny minority.

The market for a larger and faster iMac might be willing to pay twice as much as for the 24" iMac, but not trice as much. 🖥️ 🖥️ 🖥️
 
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No, I'm not confused. I do understand the chip process Apple has done for the past few years.

I don't know if we get M3 on monday (logically, we should) but I know that we will get M3 Pro and M3 Max most likely.

When someone screamed M3 Air I jumped in and said that that is not a product that needs it the most. In fact, Apple could (or even should) reverse the releases. The most powerful first and then the lower ones. Intel used to the same in the past and its logical.
Your approach (or what Apple has been doing so far) works as well but its just sometimes a bit frustrating to see new tech going to products that don't really need it as much as the Pro products that rely on it. A lot of people like me need power (and we need a lot of it) because our jobs/tasks demand it.

Its great that iPhone got raytracing and I'm happy for it but I bloody need it in my desktop as that what makes a difference to me and many other 3D artists etc.

Anyway, segwayed here - Any M3 on monday will make me happy as it means that the other products are not too far off :)


Oh, so you’re one of those, who are confused why the M3 might be introduced even before or along side the M3 Pro? That’s simply because chips with a smaller area are easier to produce, especially in the beginning when the yield of the new 3nm process is still low and there are many production failures, some of which will be sold as binned chips with fewer cores. The M3 Air will simply sell the junk before there are enough good chips on a waver to fusion two M3 Max together to an M3 Ultra. As long as chip engineers still need to cut away defective cpu/gpu cores an M3 Max might not end up becoming half of an M3 Ultra, but end up as a mere M3. So it’s not widespread customer demand for an M3 Air laptop specifically, but a family of M3 processors coming down the production pipe.
 
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Probably I've prattled on too much already in this thread... but I propose that we don't limit Apple to not being able to change paradigms.

There is no law in this universe that says they have to continue with the base-"Pro"-"Max"-"Ultra" processor line up.

Likewise, Apple needs to look to growth areas for its product lines.

For the Mac and iPad lines that seems to be what folk call "gaming". I'm not into such myself (not having an inner sociopath who wishes to see how many people one can gun down per minute), but it is a big market and so far Apple is not popular in that market. It's a growth opportunity for Apple.

And also Apple is a premium brand. Years of carefully managed corporate identity has made Apple an aspirational brand for many, and Apple can charge more than other companies. However, there is a much bigger market out there for low cost computational/entertainment devices. Again, another growth opportunity for Apple.

So I am not going to try and bottle up Monday's announcement into something that is just a repeat of the past.
 
No, I'm not confused. I do understand the chip process Apple has done for the past few years.

I don't know if we get M3 on monday (logically, we should) but I know that we will get M3 Pro and M3 Max most likely.

When someone screamed M3 Air I jumped in and said that that is not a product that needs it the most. In fact, Apple could (or even should) reverse the releases.
No, they can’t. If too many gpu cores are defective, the chip can only be sold as an M3 and not as an M3 Pro. The smaller chips can be mass produced in numbers first.
The most powerful first and then the lower ones. Intel used to the same in the past and its logical.
No, it’s not. Also Apple isn’t in the business of selling chips. They produce them for their own use, but they don’t market them to customers like stupid Intel.

Intel needs to recoup the costs to build a new 3nm fab by selling the most expensive chips first. Apple already released the iPhone 15 Pro with its A17pro chip. That’s the money maker for 3nm tech, not the two people who are going to buy a Mac Studio.
Your approach (or what Apple has been doing so far) works as well but its just sometimes a bit frustrating to see new tech going to products that don't really need it as much as the Pro products that rely on it. A lot of people like me need power (and we need a lot of it) because our jobs/tasks demand it.
Your irrational feeling of frustration is something you’ve got to deal with. Tim Cook is the supply chain guy and he’s got to do something with the chips TSMC is able to produce. Supply produces goods, not demand.
Its great that iPhone got raytracing and I'm happy for it but I bloody need it in my desktop as that what makes a difference to me and many other 3D artists etc.
And you will get it, when it’s your turn. There are way more people demanding an iPhone than there are 3D artists.
Anyway, segwayed here - Any M3 on monday will make me happy as it means that the other products are not too far off :)
Rumor has it, they’re coming all at the same day.
 
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Scary Fast is mainly referring to the 240w charge, no? That's why they introduced the 240w cables in September
 
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