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Shrug - I don't see any reason why they wouldn't get rid of the 3.5mm jack. If they are worried about pushback - include a free adaptor. If they are not - they won't and will charge an arm and a leg for it. Simple as that.
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I believe what will happen is - iPhone 7 will introduce an an updated Lightning port. The updated port will support high-res (96kHz/24-bit) audio, as well as analog output. The analog output will enable DAC-less headphones using Lightning connector, as well as low-cost Lightning-to-3.5mm adapters to support the transition.

Apple will drop 3.5mm port from iPhone 7, and the bundled earbuds will ship with Lightning connector. Lighting-to-3.5mm adapter will be sold separately for $9.95. There is a small chance they will include the adapter with the first 3.5mm-jack-less iPhone, but I doubt it.

Apple will market Lightning Audio as offering several benefits such as improved sound quality (support for high-res audio), support for headphones with noise cancellation, better durability, and space savings.

Again, just my prediction, but you will see :)

Latest supply chain leak is pretty much exactly as I predicted:

Supply Chain Rumors Reaffirm iPhone 7 Will Not Have Headphone Jack

Not looking good for your 3.5mm jack, boltjames :)
 
I have no real issue with the rMB only having one USB-C, but for those more in the know than me, why doesn't it have at least one microSD slot?

A microSD slot is tiny, would add absolutely no bulk, and be able to be inside the machine, so nothing extra is sticking out to take away from the look. Is something like a microSD slot possible on a rMB refresh, have there been any rumors?

I frequently have many gigs of audio/video with me which I wouldn't want to dump on a small 128gb internal drive.
 
Latest supply chain leak is pretty much exactly as I predicted:

Supply Chain Rumors Reaffirm iPhone 7 Will Not Have Headphone Jack

Not looking good for your 3.5mm jack, boltjames :)

If you'd like me to go back over the last 5 years and pull down every no-name blog that posted up a bombastic false claim on the next iPhone just to drive clicks I'd do so, but it would probably take me a week to get all the examples.

I don't doubt Apple and it's Beats acquisition needs some proprietary mojo especially after the dud of Apple Music, but they're not going to chase the 1% of the customer base that wants to pay additionally for HD audio quality and coordinating proprietary headphones at the expense of the 99% of the customer base that likes the sound quality of their current collection and doesn't want to buy new headphones.

Apple will create an iTunes HD protocol and introduce an HD headphone standard using Lightning. They won't do it at the expense of killing the 3.5mm jack right off the bat. Blog that.

BJ
 
If you'd like me to go back over the last 5 years and pull down every no-name blog that posted up a bombastic false claim on the next iPhone just to drive clicks I'd do so, but it would probably take me a week to get all the examples.

Supply chain leaks tend to me extremely accurate - and these latest leaks corroborate earlier ones. Can't imagine all this smoke and no fire. My money is firmly on 3.5mm jack being a goner come September.
 
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http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016...-a-macbook-with-two-ports-and-thats-great/#p3

"The Folio has two Thunderbolt 3 ports on its right side, which are used for everything from charging to data to display output—HP says both ports have the same capabilities and can be used interchangeably. Since they're Thunderbolt, you're getting full 10Gbps USB 3.1 gen 2 speeds compared to the 5Gbps standard USB port in the MacBook."

This is where the rev 2 retina MacBook is headed. That it solves the issue of only having a single ports positions it for success and it may even be a viable replacement for 2010 MBAs.
 
Please, please, Apple — get Thunderbolt 3 into our Retina MacBook revision this spring. I'm already up against bandwidth constraints.
 
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Thanks for the vote of confidence, much appreciated. :p

Tell you though, and I'm fully aware I've said it before, so apologies if you've already discarded this as irrelevant, but if Apple had offered the new MB in an entry level 4GB RAM and a 128GB SSD, it would have started at $999, which is $100 more than the similar base model 11" MBA and the same price as the base model 13" MBA.

So while I appreciate that you really, really, really think that the MB is not worth the money (and have this extremely mysterious and hell bent grudge against any screen with a higher than 1080p resolution) the only way the MB will go down in price is if they do actually reduce RAM and storage for the entry level model.

And...if you look at it from this perspective, you are paying $100 more for these objective pros and cons comparing the 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD 11" MBA and the new entry level MB:

Pros
  • Larger physical screen size
  • Better screen quality (contrast, color gamut, viewing angles, resolution)
  • Larger screen real estate
  • Brand new, thinner, lighter design
  • Fan-less chassis
  • Force Touch, haptic feedback trackpad technology

Cons
  • Less built in wired connectivity
  • Lower performance processor

About the same/subjective
  • Battery life
  • Keyboard
  • Footprint

So depending on where your own personal priorities lie you make your decision, and you also let others make theirs.

You obviously value price higher than any of the things listed here, so you base your decision upon that, and then want to defend that reasoning by saying everything in the pros list above is either irrelevant or a lie, triple emphasise the cons items, and then try to move the subjective items into the cons list to rationalise your purchasing decision.

The reality is that everyone has different priorities. Were you aware that there are actually people that are not price sensitive at all in this segment? It actually doesn't really enter into their decision making process at all? This could be for various reasons, such as it will be a company issued/paid for machine, or perhaps they are early adopters by nature or computer/Apple enthusiasts. Indeed there are even some people who just have enough cash around that $800 vs $1300 isn't a big deal at all, and they don't care. Others may have a price sensitivity, but it ranks lower than some or all of the items on the pros list above. Just as you rationalise your purchasing decision based almost solely on price, others here base it solely on a combination of portability/high resolution, high quality display, and are willing to pay a premium for that alone.

You shouldn't be so adamant that everyone should share your priorities and preferences that you deem them all idiots and treat them with disrespect.


Back on topic, IMHO I don't think Apple with ever offer a MB model with less than 8GB RAM and/or 256GB SSD's. I think we're seeing what the new base models will come with on the upcoming redesigns of the MBP...and the eventual extinction of the MBA line.

The more I think about it though, they might just keep the base model 13" MBA around, much as they do the 13" cMBP - just to have something at that $999 price.



Yes. This applies to all decisions made as far as purchasing goes. Most of you sound like a bunch of bitter teens who didn't get what they asked their parents for.
 
Please, please, Apple — get Thunderbolt 3 into our Retina MacBook revision this spring. I'm already up against bandwidth constraints.

Nope. Not happening.

The MacBook is a revolutionary single-port device. Either join the port-free revolution or buy a MacBook Pro.

BJ
 
Yes. You may dream.

BJ
BJ - I kinda get a kick out of you responding as if you had complete knowledge of Apple's plan for the Macbook. However, there is no reason Apple couldn't update the Macbook's "revolutionary single-port device" existing USB-C connection with a TB-3 connection. It's the same physical interface, and it could still be just one port. I worry about a casual consumer reading your advice on this form and taking it to heart...
 
BJ - I kinda get a kick out of you responding as if you had complete knowledge of Apple's plan for the Macbook. However, there is no reason Apple couldn't update the Macbook's "revolutionary single-port device" existing USB-C connection with a TB-3 connection. It's the same physical interface, and it could still be just one port. I worry about a casual consumer reading your advice on this form and taking it to heart...

The advice here is simple; don't wait as Apple is not going to make any changes to the RMB in the foreseeable future. It's a completely reimagined notebook and it is barely out on the market six months.

And if the supply chain argument doesn't convince you, then this surely should: Chasing processor upgrades are just about the last thing the RMB is about. This is the notebook that says conventional wisdom is stupid, this is the notebook that says we don't need a 500HP engine to drive around the corner to buy a carton of milk.

If Alcoa announced a brand-new aluminum that was 50% stronger and lighter, if Korea Optics developed a 1080P camera as thin as a human hair, if a brand new form of Bluetooth had double the range, these are the types of improvements that Apple would jump on to make its customers happy.

Skylake means nothing to RMB buyers because we are the group that already has accepted spec performance circa 2006 as a trade off to get an incredible form factor. People who yearn endlessly for Skylake and are waiting for it to magically drop from the sky simply don't understand what the RMB is about.

BJ
 
The advice here is simple; don't wait as Apple is not going to make any changes to the RMB in the foreseeable future. It's a completely reimagined notebook and it is barely out on the market six months.

And if the supply chain argument doesn't convince you, then this surely should: Chasing processor upgrades are just about the last thing the RMB is about. This is the notebook that says conventional wisdom is stupid, this is the notebook that says we don't need a 500HP engine to drive around the corner to buy a carton of milk.

If Alcoa announced a brand-new aluminum that was 50% stronger and lighter, if Korea Optics developed a 1080P camera as thin as a human hair, if a brand new form of Bluetooth had double the range, these are the types of improvements that Apple would jump on to make its customers happy.

Skylake means nothing to RMB buyers because we are the group that already has accepted spec performance circa 2006 as a trade off to get an incredible form factor. People who yearn endlessly for Skylake and are waiting for it to magically drop from the sky simply don't understand what the RMB is about.

BJ

Because ur thoughts are 100% real and there cant be any other option. Oh jesus....

Its more like, I guess ur the one who is completely wrong.

But nvm. I guess there wont be any major update, except Skylake, 2 TB3 Ports and thats it. Hopefully a little Webcam upgrade. But I dont think so.
 
Because ur thoughts are 100% real and there cant be any other option. Oh jesus....

Its more like, I guess ur the one who is completely wrong.

But nvm. I guess there wont be any major update, except Skylake, 2 TB3 Ports and thats it. Hopefully a little Webcam upgrade. But I dont think so.

But that is the consensus. I think people believe the rMBP is due a redesign, but I'm pretty sure most people think the rMB is going to get a skylake chip upgrade, and possibly a 2nd USB-c port.

Skylake, if Intel's specs are to be believed, may be worth upgrading to, as the GPU should see a considerable increase in power, plus another 1 to 2 hours of battery life wouldn't hurt.
 
barely out on the market six months

Actually it's literally been on the market for over 9 months...so like in 3 months that'll be a year...which is right around the March timeframe many are predicting. All of this makes it perfectly logical that Apple will release a rMB update at this time.


Chasing processor upgrades are just about the last thing the RMB is about. This is the notebook that says conventional wisdom is stupid, this is the notebook that says we don't need a 500HP engine to drive around the corner to buy a carton of milk.

Then why did you opt for the 1.2 GHz option rather than the 1.1 GHz option??


People who yearn endlessly for Skylake and are waiting for it to magically drop from the sky simply don't understand what the RMB is about.

"Magically drop from the sky"...interesting. Actually we're just waiting for Apple, a technology company, a computer manufacturer, to release a model with updated processors...which is something that, you know, computer companies typically do to remain competitive in the market? When was the last time Apple released a brand new laptop design and didn't update it within 1.5 years?

Reading your arrogant, I'm-right-you're-wrong posts on this page of the thread alone is infuriating. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but you can't pretend you're an engineer at Apple that knows the definitive answer of whether or not there will be a Skylake update in the foreseeable future. You write your posts as if they're fact when in fact I would guess that a strong majority of educated members on this forum would disagree with the majority of your assumptions.

It's also funny that in separate discussions you so heavily defended the idea that there's absolutely no possible way Apple will kill off the 3.5mm headphone jack in the next iPhone, yet almost weekly now we're hearing rumors indicating otherwise. One or two rumors doesn't indicate much, but when there is mounting evidence weekly that they're looking to kill the 3.5mm jack in the next iPhone, another one of your assumptions that you act as if you're 100% right and can't be wrong tends to look weaker by the day. After all, through continually reported rumors reported on this very site, we've basically known every single detail of the last 2 or 3 iPhones to a tee a good month before they were officially announced.

I also love how you sign off all your posts with BJ. Like your signature of approval for the crap you've written above it. Perhaps you should start signing off posts with 'BS', as that'd be a more accurate depiction of what is written above.


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Actually it's literally been on the market for over 9 months...so like in 3 months that'll be a year...which is right around the March timeframe many are predicting. All of this makes it perfectly logical that Apple will release a rMB update at this time.

More revisionist history.

The 12" MacBook was announced on March 9, you couldn't find one to buy until May and even then with very limited color/processor choices, the stores didn't have any to sell until July and you couldn't walk into an Apple Store and pick a color and size you wanted and walk out with one until September.

This product isn't "9 months old", it wasn't released in March. The clock starts ticking when the supply chain is fully locked and loaded, that's August of this year. Back To School at best is the 1 year anniversary of this product.

Then why did you opt for the 1.2 GHz option rather than the 1.1 GHz option??

See above. Here in New York City, in Manhattan, last May I decided I wanted to jump in and get an RMB and the only Space Grey model I could find in the largest city in the country after two weeks of looking was at a third-party Apple specialist in Soho who wouldn't sell it to me over the phone, had to drive down with cash. I took what I could get because before September you couldn't find these anywhere.

"Magically drop from the sky"...interesting. Actually we're just waiting for Apple, a technology company, a computer manufacturer, to release a model with updated processors...which is something that, you know, computer companies typically do to remain competitive in the market? When was the last time Apple released a brand new laptop design and didn't update it within 1.5 years?

Heretofore every Apple notebook released in the market was predicated on performance. The RMB breaks that mold, it delivers the utmost in portability. So when there is a physical breakthru feature that greatly enhances portability, let me know and we can debate how quickly Apple will rush that feature to market.

90% of the people who post negatives about the RMB or these silly wishlists for the RMB simply don't get what the RMB is about. You'd think all the Keynotes, all the speeches, all the Jonny Ive videos, all the Phil Schiller pressers, all the in-store marketing, and all the advertising would be enough to get it through their heads.

BJ
 
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