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i bet you said that this before they remove floppy disk and optical drive

No, because airlines never banned notebooks that didn't have various drives.

Even though the FAA has allowed Bluetooth on flights the individual airlines have not embraced this, almost every carrier doesn't allow it and the flight staff are usually misinformed either way.

There isn't enough critical mass of consumers with wireless headphones in everyday life considering that the wires are hardly inconvenient and dead batteries are extremely inconvenient. Some day the headphone jack will die, but today Apple has committed to using the Lightning port for headphones, not Bluetooth.

BJ
 
the airlines will adapt with Apples future like all companies are..so will allow in 1-2 years wifi, they already have a lot of them
 
the airlines will adapt with Apples future like all companies are..so will allow in 1-2 years wifi, they already have a lot of them

That's all well and good, but Apple is not going to remove the headphone jack at this time. Too many headphones out there running on wires, no new standard to replace the one that's there yet. Get back to me in 5 years, things may be different by then.

BJ
 
The iphone 7 will be the first product to no longer have 3.5 jack so not in 5 years, but in 8-9 months
 
The iphone 7 will be the first product to no longer have 3.5 jack so not in 5 years, but in 8-9 months

Apple's aim is to grow market share, not commit suicide.

The RMB is a niche product for a small audience, so getting rid of USB and SD ports can't cripple the company. Apple removes the old headphone jack only on the day that there is a critical mass of products already out there utilizing the new Lightning port for that purpose. Right now there are none.

BJ
 
Apple's aim is to grow market share, not commit suicide.

The RMB is a niche product for a small audience, so getting rid of USB and SD ports can't cripple the company. Apple removes the old headphone jack only on the day that there is a critical mass of products already out there utilizing the new Lightning port for that purpose. Right now there are none.

BJ

Another adapter!!! More cash!!!!
 
Another adapter!!! More cash!!!!

That's going to be an expensive adapter: Lightning does not output analog audio, so they'll have to include a DAC somewhere in the adapter, or the headphones would have to have them.
 
Another adapter!!! More cash!!!!

It's beginning to look more and more like Apple will indeed kill the 3.5mm jack. I personally wouldn't be opposed to the idea; while it would make the iPhone incompatible with everyone's non-Bluetooth headphones (a large majority of headphones), clearly Apple would release an adapter that, as you said, would likely mean more cash for the company-- assuming they don't bundle in the adapter with the iPhone 7. Either way, an adapter (from lightning to 3.5mm) seems like a common sense move if they kill off the 3.5mm jack.

Really, though...think about how long 3.5mm jacks have existed in devices. It's a technology standard that's inevitably going to evolve at some point. There are clear benefits to this proposed lightning solution, such as thinner devices, increased power consumption available to headphones, digital tuning possibilities, etc. I think Apple's purchase of Beats will play a large factor in their evolution of the headphone standard. However, Apple would likely bundle in lightning earbuds in the iPhone 7 box, so everyone would have a pair of compatible headphones right off the bat-- no adapter required for the stock headphones.

As a user of both Bluetooth earbuds and headphones, these devices seems to absolutely be the way of the future. Whether Bluetooth remains king or another standard comes along remains to be seen. Either way, benefits for wireless audio are obvious. Apple sent a message with the rMB that they envision a no-wires approach to all devices, eventually. While they might keep the 3.5mm on the rMB-- it's debatable they will since they don't need the extra thinness-- the benefits for a thinner iPhone seem to make the most sense. I wouldn't be surprised if the next update to the rMB kills off the 3.5 jack entirely, though.

As the shift to wireless headphones/earbuds becomes more and more prevalent, the fact that they killed the 3.5mm becomes a moot point, anyways. Most people will begin to purchase wireless headphones/earbuds as they become more and more affordable, an inevitability for the tech industry. Maybe in 3 years you'll see bluetooth headphones for $9.99 at gas stations, who knows. Eventually, lightning headphones will be exclusive to audio products that can benefit from the digital capability and sound quality enhancements of a lightning port solution as well as the increased power consumption possibilities (integrated DAC features?).

Like I said, whether or not Apple will make this change in the next update to the Skylake rMB is debatable. But Apple always seems to see the way of the future ahead of what many people are comfortable with (see: 30-pin to lightning), and while backlash will be significant at first, I think most of us who have used Bluetooth headphones know that wireless really is the way of the future. The ones who don't care much will just use the stock lightning headphones that will continue to be included, and the ones who do care will have all the more reason to purchase a superior, increasingly affordable (in time) Bluetooth audio device.
 
That's going to be an expensive adapter: Lightning does not output analog audio, so they'll have to include a DAC somewhere in the adapter, or the headphones would have to have them.
Apple could include an integrated DAC within the actual phone itself, which makes a lot of sense. Perhaps Apple, alongside the iPhone 7 release, releases a new line of combo lightning/bluetooth Beats headphones and earbuds that can take advantage of the new, integrated DAC feature of the iPhone. Who knows, totally a shot in the dark on my part. But it makes a lot of sense.
 
Apple could include an integrated DAC within the actual phone itself, which makes a lot of sense. Perhaps Apple, alongside the iPhone 7 release, releases a new line of combo lightning/bluetooth Beats headphones and earbuds that can take advantage of the new, integrated DAC feature of the iPhone. Who knows, totally a shot in the dark on my part. But it makes a lot of sense.

The DAC's already there; it's been there since the first iPod. Or am I misunderstanding?

While Apple has several options for headphones, I question the feasibility of any model that does not include the 3.5mm jack. There's just no better solution for it now or in the near future when cost and installed base are considered. How many headphones are out there, and how many devices are out there that they can be used with? That kind of convenience and ubiquity is hard to overcome, very a pretty small benefit. Of course there will be some adopters who champion it, but the vast majority will only see it as an inconvenience.

Posters keeps comparing the removal of the headphone jack to the removal of the floppy drive or CD-ROM drive from Macs, but that's a flawed comparison when you consider that both of those technologies were replaced by newer capabilities that offered a tangible benefit. Floppy drives were already dieing when the original iMac was released; the market was even offering Zip drives and the like to improve upon the floppy's tiny storage capacity and slow speed. It wasn't long before USB flash drives swept in and took over. Same with CD-ROM: it was/is a dying technology at the time it was dropped from Apple's computers and there were/are other options (wireless transfer, cloud based , including just using an external one. In both cases, newer technologies gave the user an advantage. But what advantage does the user (not Apple) gain from an iPhone or iPod without a 3.5mm jack?
 
Apple will remove the 3.5mm, period. They will offer in the package a lightning headphones, so you have already.And after the big companies will build lightning headphones, its not a big deal.
 
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Apple will remove the 3.5mm, period.
Ah - interesting to have a top management member of Apple here to enlighten us. Could you please also share your insight about how the user is intended to charge the iPhone while a lightning headphone is plugged in?
 
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Ah - interesting to have a top management member of Apple here to enlighten us. Could you please also share your insight about how the user is intended to charge the iPhone while a lightning headphone is plugged in?
the same way you connect and charge in the same time a usb-c accessory on the new macbook, with an adapter, or you can buy like me a top notch wireless headphones
But there are people who charge and put a wired headphones in the same time? what the heeell very ergonomic
 
This might have already been discussed, but there isn't a whole lot of value of putting a skylake in here that is just going to thermal throttle to be less effective / use more battery than what is already in there.
 
Ah - interesting to have a top management member of Apple here to enlighten us. Could you please also share your insight about how the user is intended to charge the iPhone while a lightning headphone is plugged in?

I hope Apple doesn't do this, but if they do, I'd expect their phones to come with bluetooth ear buds and tell everyone (the 1%) who need super good headphones to buy their new iphone case with the giant extra battery...
 
But what advantage does the user (not Apple) gain from an iPhone or iPod without a 3.5mm jack?

To better clarify my statement above, I believe they could integrate the digital to analog required for a lightning adapter that supported lightning > 3.5mm conversion into the phone itself, rather than have a $40 adapter.

To your quote above, the advantages would be thinner devices and better integration of headphone specific features into apps, via lightning. The same argument you stated could've been made regarding the 30-pin to lightning conversion a few years back. What clear benefit for users was there? Not a lot considering it broke a ton of accessories' compatibility. It just allowed for thinner devices, a reversible connector, and that's about it. But it forced users to move into the future, and now a few years later we see the benefits from the 30-pin to lightning transition. The same could happen here from 3.5mm to lightning.
 
Does anyone really need a thinner phone? Can we get a larger battery?
It's a pretty safe assumption to guess that Apple will make the iPhone 7 thinner than than the iPhone 6. Looking at history, every non-S update has made the iPhone thinner than it was before. I would love for them to take the 6S+ and make it even thinner.

Higher capacity battery, yes please. 'Larger battery', unless they can make it accommodate a thinner/smaller device, no thanks.
 
I hope Apple doesn't do this, but if they do, I'd expect their phones to come with bluetooth ear buds and tell everyone (the 1%) who need super good headphones to buy their new iphone case with the giant extra battery...

Apple dropped their BT headsets in 2009
 
It's a pretty safe assumption to guess that Apple will make the iPhone 7 thinner than than the iPhone 6. Looking at history, every non-S update has made the iPhone thinner than it was before. I would love for them to take the 6S+ and make it even thinner.

Higher capacity battery, yes please. 'Larger battery', unless they can make it accommodate a thinner/smaller device, no thanks.

If making the phone thinner makes it less comfortable, harder to use, more fragile, ...

Will they still do it?
 
And here's food for thought for everyone who thinks it's a simple task to increase the battery life on pocket sized devices.


tldr; no significant improvements in the near future
http://www.theverge.com/2015/12/16/...martphone-battery-life-lithium-ion-technology

Simple problem to solve, make the battery larger, no one will care for the phone.

Slightly heavier iPhone, longer battery life --> Everyone happy
Slightly heavier iPad, longer battery life --> Unhappy people
 
To better clarify my statement above, I believe they could integrate the digital to analog required for a lightning adapter that supported lightning > 3.5mm conversion into the phone itself, rather than have a $40 adapter.

In other words, keep a DA converter in the phone, and add analog outputs to the Lightning connector? Can Lightning support that?

To your quote above, the advantages would be thinner devices and better integration of headphone specific features into apps, via lightning. The same argument you stated could've been made regarding the 30-pin to lightning conversion a few years back. What clear benefit for users was there? Not a lot considering it broke a ton of accessories' compatibility. It just allowed for thinner devices, a reversible connector, and that's about it. But it forced users to move into the future, and now a few years later we see the benefits from the 30-pin to lightning transition. The same could happen here from 3.5mm to lightning.

Right, I get the benefits to the phone itself. At least with the Lightning transition we got the tangible benefit of a connector that's easier to plug in since it's reversible, and the connector itself is arguably more durable than the 30-pin was. But there's no real performance advantage to eliminating the headphone jack; it adds inconvenience by requiring an adapter. And since Lightning is proprietary, I don't think tons of customers are going to go out and buy Lightning headphones for just one of their devices; even less so if the headphones require an integrated DAC and make the headphones usable only on an iPhone.

By the way, just enjoying the debate; not trying to be a prig about it. Obviously we'll find out what Apple's plans are next September.
 
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It's beginning to look more and more like Apple will indeed kill the 3.5mm jack.

There would be a one-generation transition period where a) the Lightning headphone port is unleashed on the world and b) the 3.5 jack remains for existing headphones. Say, the iPhone 7 and 7S. By the time iPhone 8 rolls around 2 years later, they'd get rid of the 3.5 forever.

That's how it would play out. Apple wouldn't kill the headphone jack before there was critical mass of the new technology and the new port. And before you go there, this is different than USB-C as so many people have gone wireless it didn't really matter that ancient ports were removed.

BJ
 
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