95% of computer users don't even know that apple is planning on releasing a new operating system. Hell, half of mac users don't even know the difference between panther and tiger. get out in the real world. only nerdcore kids even pay attention to this stuff. most people just see some hip kid with a white computer and a pretty interface and want it. It's like a sports car. Most people just see it and want it, and know nothing about the fact that it was originally planned with a faster engine, etc and the company reneged at the last minute.
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What We Learn From Leopard's Delay
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95% of computer users don't even know that apple is planning on releasing a new operating system. Hell, half of mac users don't even know the difference between panther and tiger. get out in the real world. only nerdcore kids even pay attention to this stuff. most people just see some hip kid with a white computer and a pretty interface and want it. It's like a sports car. Most people just see it and want it, and know nothing about the fact that it was originally planned with a faster engine, etc and the company reneged at the last minute.
Right, and 3 months from now all those references will be quietly changed to Winter 2007 or 4th quarter.
If you feel that strongly, what exactly are you waiting for? Just buy the laptop, and get an upgrade in the Autumn. I don't understand all this bitchin' an' moaning - you either need the machine or you don't. Wait six months and six months after that your kit will be just as outdated.
Carpe Diem!
Makes the 8 core a publicly available developer's platform. Load the beta after WWDC and get busy.
I second that, all that power and no serious way to release it.
Lets, see what was that about the last 30 years and whats to come?
Did't Apple had something like that not long ago eluding to the next year (2007) being even better than ever?
So far I have not seen much.
You state that that move maybe wrong for Apple, but it seems that Apple is hell bend on getting switchers. First by allowing them to boos windows, by the comercials, by the demos on the stores, by introducing the phone and apple tv. I would not rule out much at this stage. Apple is playing by a different Fiddle than we may expect.
Tsk tsk. Didn't Apple already come out and publicly deny rumors that BootCamp would be like Parallels?
But then again "people don't want video on their iPods" and "Apple wants to keep the computer and TV separate"
Also don't forget them denying that Leopard would not be delayed.
Apple been doing a lot ff Lying lately. Maybe I should say "using creative PR"?
parallels? thumbs up... or mb down...
I do think that Apple will include some kind of x86 virtualization tech in Leopard. Hell, Apple buying Parallels would be a good thing for Apple in the long run - true, it does dilute the OS and alienates the core user base, but i mean come on regarding application compatibility Apple is still waaaay behind, and there are still many OS X apps out there that still do not have Universal support. Yes there are many alternatives, but nothing beats just finding something on the net, dling the exe, and trying it out for the frick of it. You cant do that with OS X for the most part. Also, if Parallels was built into the OS and offered 100% or at least something like 95% app speed for Win apps, Apple would have gotten much much more money off the initial Mac Pro release because content developers wouldnt have been b****ing about the lack of Universal support for Adobe CS2 (i.e. Photoshop) cause it would have run natively anyways. Im sure there are many other examples out there as well.
There is one thing that gives me pause:
Go back to the original presentation where Steve Jobs mentions the top secret features. In it, he mentioned something like "we dont want MS to start their photocopiers too early" or something like that.
1) How would Time Machine not fall under this category of things that Apple wants to keep secret? Now, under Windows Vista Ultimate + Enterprise, MS has a fully automated image-based backup system, which while not even close to the utility of Time Machine, comes somewhat close. But more importantly:
2) Why would Parallels type stuff be under wraps? How would MS copy this kind of tech? You really think MS is going to say, oh btw were now going to allow Vista users to run OS X apps?! It doesnt make any sense, which is an argument for the idea that there is no x86 support in leopard.
The Lord Jobs works in mysterious ways...
I do think that Apple will include some kind of x86 virtualization tech in Leopard. Hell, Apple buying Parallels would be a good thing for Apple in the long run - true, it does dilute the OS and alienates the core user base, but i mean come on regarding application compatibility Apple is still waaaay behind, and there are still many OS X apps out there that still do not have Universal support. Yes there are many alternatives, but nothing beats just finding something on the net, dling the exe, and trying it out for the frick of it. You cant do that with OS X for the most part. Also, if Parallels was built into the OS and offered 100% or at least something like 95% app speed for Win apps, Apple would have gotten much much more money off the initial Mac Pro release because content developers wouldnt have been b****ing about the lack of Universal support for Adobe CS2 (i.e. Photoshop) cause it would have run natively anyways. Im sure there are many other examples out there as well.
There is one thing that gives me pause:
Go back to the original presentation where Steve Jobs mentions the top secret features. In it, he mentioned something like "we dont want MS to start their photocopiers too early" or something like that.
1) How would Time Machine not fall under this category of things that Apple wants to keep secret? Now, under Windows Vista Ultimate + Enterprise, MS has a fully automated image-based backup system, which while not even close to the utility of Time Machine, comes somewhat close. But more importantly:
2) Why would Parallels type stuff be under wraps? How would MS copy this kind of tech? You really think MS is going to say, oh btw were now going to allow Vista users to run OS X apps?! It doesnt make any sense, which is an argument for the idea that there is no x86 support in leopard.
The Lord Jobs works in mysterious ways...
As in Watergate, follow the money...
The delay in Leopard may have something to do with internal resources and everything else. But, I think that the single biggest reason Leopard is delayed is share of wallet. If you just popped $500/$600 on an iPhone in June, you would probably wait to spend an additional $130 on Leopard. Releasing it in October lets the Apple fan base forget their last big expediture and should let Apple hit their forecasts for # of units sold at release.
The delay in Leopard may have something to do with internal resources and everything else. But, I think that the single biggest reason Leopard is delayed is share of wallet. If you just popped $500/$600 on an iPhone in June, you would probably wait to spend an additional $130 on Leopard. Releasing it in October lets the Apple fan base forget their last big expediture and should let Apple hit their forecasts for # of units sold at release.
yeah... tiger works
tiger works fine..... on my powerpc? yeah
on my intel based mac pro and my dad`s macbook? no!
tiger have some serious bugs on intel based macs. the beta versians of leopard have A LOT MORE problems. so dont be waiting for leopard. it seems like we`re going to be stick to what we`ve got FOR A LONG TIME.
tiger works fine..... on my powerpc? yeah
on my intel based mac pro and my dad`s macbook? no!
tiger have some serious bugs on intel based macs. the beta versians of leopard have A LOT MORE problems. so dont be waiting for leopard. it seems like we`re going to be stick to what we`ve got FOR A LONG TIME.
I think Apple learned that it's not a good idea to roll out two high-profile products at the same time.
Up until now, the best guesswork pointed to WWDC as the likely timeframe for Leopard's release, which would have collided with the iPhone release. Instead of having two separate products competing for the consumer's attention span (and headlines) and risk the hype for one diminishing in the face of the other, Apple can space the releases apart to allow maximum hype efforts for each.
So June will be the month of the iPhone, with WWDC taking a back seat simply playing the teaser role for Leopard. Come October, just as the initial wave of iPhone hype has run its course, it's Leopard time. This way Apple can grab the majority tech mindshare sustained and uninterrupted for half of a year.
Up until now, the best guesswork pointed to WWDC as the likely timeframe for Leopard's release, which would have collided with the iPhone release. Instead of having two separate products competing for the consumer's attention span (and headlines) and risk the hype for one diminishing in the face of the other, Apple can space the releases apart to allow maximum hype efforts for each.
So June will be the month of the iPhone, with WWDC taking a back seat simply playing the teaser role for Leopard. Come October, just as the initial wave of iPhone hype has run its course, it's Leopard time. This way Apple can grab the majority tech mindshare sustained and uninterrupted for half of a year.
I'm surprised that no one has considered how close the iPhone and Mac OS really are.
If Apple had to pull the same people and swap them between products, that means that the iPhone is running another version of Mac OS, similar to AppleTV. I think what we're seeing here is not only a convergence of hardware to display your media in the living room, office, and in your pocket, but also a step towards embedding the Mac OS into things other than just computers.
How much longer until we see other phone manufacturers licensing Mac OS to run on their handhelds just like Microsoft, Symbian, and Palm do?
And if Apple can prove how scalable their OS is, especially for things like multimedia servers and set-top boxes, they might be able to find their way into the living rooms of people that wouldn't normally use the Mac OS on their computers.
If Apple had to pull the same people and swap them between products, that means that the iPhone is running another version of Mac OS, similar to AppleTV. I think what we're seeing here is not only a convergence of hardware to display your media in the living room, office, and in your pocket, but also a step towards embedding the Mac OS into things other than just computers.
How much longer until we see other phone manufacturers licensing Mac OS to run on their handhelds just like Microsoft, Symbian, and Palm do?
And if Apple can prove how scalable their OS is, especially for things like multimedia servers and set-top boxes, they might be able to find their way into the living rooms of people that wouldn't normally use the Mac OS on their computers.
The last Apple I owned was the IIgs; used a PC ever since. Too bad about the delay, I was going to swap over to Macs. The delay tells me Apple is no longer serious about their desktop platforms. Their focus is on trendy devices for a younger generation. Nothing wrong with that, it's all good buisness I guess. I was looking to outfit my business with all new Macs as well...wanted my first purchase for myself though. Waiting six months is one thing, but the thought that Apple may shift its focus away from the desktop is another. I've spent the last five months researching both Vista and Leopard, was excited about going Mac....for now, I'm rethinking my next purchase.
Multi-touch for sure, no?
Is is just me, or is part of this Leopard delay statement a not-so-subtle guarantee that Leopard will have multi-touch? Is this common knowledge or is no one commenting on it, or what? Their 'official word' included, and I quote: "We cant wait until customers get their hands (and fingers) on it and experience what a revolutionary and magical product it is."
I think this is a good thing (the delay) - they threw all of us nerds a huge bone with that 1 sentence. I'm waiting happily until October (or November, or next year).
Is is just me, or is part of this Leopard delay statement a not-so-subtle guarantee that Leopard will have multi-touch? Is this common knowledge or is no one commenting on it, or what? Their 'official word' included, and I quote: "We cant wait until customers get their hands (and fingers) on it and experience what a revolutionary and magical product it is."
I think this is a good thing (the delay) - they threw all of us nerds a huge bone with that 1 sentence. I'm waiting happily until October (or November, or next year).
Another take on 'Integration'
I think that all the posts about 'OMG Apple is abandoning OS X' really have missed the point.
Consider that in the future *all* products are going to run a variant of OS X, whether on a laptop, desktop, iPod og iPhone or [insert nifty new product here].
Remember the integration between Windows and stuff like WinCE? Now do it the 'apple way' with proper integration, and then tell me they have abandoned OS X.
Apple is going through probably some of the most difficult engineering tasks that can be done: breaking down an existing OS to its most necessary parts. In effect, they have created (or in the process of) an embedded OS, with bits tagged on depending on the operating environment. If they pull this off, they are going to have the most rock solid OSes out there, and then wait and see what happens. They will then have the ability to *really* infect every type of electronic device out there.
Oh yeah, if I can have the same type of API whether it is an iPhone, a MB, or an octo-core monster, what a fantastic development environment that would be. I'd just have to load different userland libraries depending on where my program is supposed to operate.
Heh, abandoning OS X..... Not bloody likely.
I think that all the posts about 'OMG Apple is abandoning OS X' really have missed the point.
Consider that in the future *all* products are going to run a variant of OS X, whether on a laptop, desktop, iPod og iPhone or [insert nifty new product here].
Remember the integration between Windows and stuff like WinCE? Now do it the 'apple way' with proper integration, and then tell me they have abandoned OS X.
Apple is going through probably some of the most difficult engineering tasks that can be done: breaking down an existing OS to its most necessary parts. In effect, they have created (or in the process of) an embedded OS, with bits tagged on depending on the operating environment. If they pull this off, they are going to have the most rock solid OSes out there, and then wait and see what happens. They will then have the ability to *really* infect every type of electronic device out there.
Oh yeah, if I can have the same type of API whether it is an iPhone, a MB, or an octo-core monster, what a fantastic development environment that would be. I'd just have to load different userland libraries depending on where my program is supposed to operate.
Heh, abandoning OS X..... Not bloody likely.
I am running Tiger on three Intel Mac's here ...... I haven't found any bugs, serious or not.
FJ
If the June WWDC07 Beta version is so feature complete why not release it as a public beta so that the consumers still feel happy that they can try it in June and Apple would get greater feedback!
Maybe it's because it really isn't that ready for June!
Maybe it's because it really isn't that ready for June!
I am running Tiger on three Intel Mac's here ...... I haven't found any bugs, serious or not.
FJ
It can crash, and Kernel Panics seem more common
I can list and remember all of the problems I've had with Intel Tiger. I could never do that with Windows. Before this is implied to be a negative post, on the contrary it is a testament to how much better the mac platform is.
1. Airport was destroyed by 10.4.8, dropping connection and requiring a reset. It is still wonky post-updates and 10.4.9
2. A windowserver_last log file ran away, becoming 32 GB big. On top of that, erasing free space as an attempt to fix it made a sparse image 97 GB big!
3. Once in a while the system sounds disappear, like emptying the trash, requiring a reset.
4. Menu bar items disappear or get misplaced somewhere else on the menu bar.
5. Once in a while, it won't wake from sleep.
That's it! Even if some consider this to be the crippled stepchild version of OS X, it is far better than what I experienced under Windows.
By the way, I had no problems whatsoever with Power PC Tiger. I don't think the delay until October will be so bad, I'd like to see more refinement to OS X on intel machines.
1. Airport was destroyed by 10.4.8, dropping connection and requiring a reset. It is still wonky post-updates and 10.4.9
2. A windowserver_last log file ran away, becoming 32 GB big. On top of that, erasing free space as an attempt to fix it made a sparse image 97 GB big!
3. Once in a while the system sounds disappear, like emptying the trash, requiring a reset.
4. Menu bar items disappear or get misplaced somewhere else on the menu bar.
5. Once in a while, it won't wake from sleep.
That's it! Even if some consider this to be the crippled stepchild version of OS X, it is far better than what I experienced under Windows.
By the way, I had no problems whatsoever with Power PC Tiger. I don't think the delay until October will be so bad, I'd like to see more refinement to OS X on intel machines.
Take it easy.
Apple has given until it can give no more. In past year-year and half we've been given movies on iTunes, ipod video, intel macs, revamped every mac, new nano's and shuffles, Apple TV, 8 core Mac Pros, iPhone, new Airport Extreme.
WHAT ELSE DO YOU PEOPLE WANT?!! They ask for 4 months to breathe on an OS release (that will no doubt blow us away) - I WONDER WHY?!!
Ha...
Apple has given until it can give no more. In past year-year and half we've been given movies on iTunes, ipod video, intel macs, revamped every mac, new nano's and shuffles, Apple TV, 8 core Mac Pros, iPhone, new Airport Extreme.
WHAT ELSE DO YOU PEOPLE WANT?!! They ask for 4 months to breathe on an OS release (that will no doubt blow us away) - I WONDER WHY?!!
Ha...
Right I know that and so does everyone else who watched the keynote, but how many more devices is Apple going to be able to stuff Mac OS into?
We're not only seeing our media files taken off the computer and into our pockets, but we're seeing the entire OS go with it. The iPhone and AppleTV are going to find their way into homes that don't already have an Apple computer. I bet there is going to be a difference between how many computers Apple has sold and how much of a penetration Mac OS has in the overall OS market, especially if you count the embedded variants.
Yup. Restated for truth. We're going to see OS X in a lot more places, in a lot of different devices, places that you would have never expected to see a Mac OS.
Exactly! I bet we'll see more manufacturers license the different version of Mac OS to suit their needs. What we're seeing here is heads-up competition for Windows Mobile.
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We'll soon be seeing more competition in the ultra-mobile area than most people realize...
The source of the above quote is virtually unknown player in the ultra-mobile game, yet they're apparently getting into the um game in several areas, claiming their solution can "make any phone an iPhone"
Thinksecret is CRAP!
I learned (again) that Thinksecret is as unreliable as the National Enquirer for inside information....
Think Secret, two months ago:
Development of Mac OS X 10.5 is wrapping up faster than many at Apple even anticipated, and at present, a release can be expected as early as late March, sources say.
Think Secret, in an exclusive scoop 11 days ago:
Apple is currently planning to release Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard in June, mostly likely at or around its Worldwide Developers Conference, reliable sources report.
I think we can all shun Thinksecret now, can't we?
I learned (again) that Thinksecret is as unreliable as the National Enquirer for inside information....
Think Secret, two months ago:
Development of Mac OS X 10.5 is wrapping up faster than many at Apple even anticipated, and at present, a release can be expected as early as late March, sources say.
Think Secret, in an exclusive scoop 11 days ago:
Apple is currently planning to release Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard in June, mostly likely at or around its Worldwide Developers Conference, reliable sources report.
I think we can all shun Thinksecret now, can't we?