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I don't really see anything that needs to be done with them, other than more battery and the M2 Pro/Max chips. These laptops are kinda perfect. Maybe lowering the price would be an option?
The 16" sure isn't going to get more battery. It's already at 99.8Wh. The legal limit to get on airplanes is 100Wh. More efficiency is the only way we're going to get more battery life. We'll see if the rumored 4 high efficiency cores improves on that. Since the blizzard cores improved by about 40% over ice storm and we'd get double the cores (2 to 4), we could see a huge boost, since we've seen the M2 MBA can beat a lot of Windows laptops even on low power mode, which shuts off all the avalanche cores.
 
OLED is nice, but they can’t properly display The color white. I own a Samsung Galaxy Tab 8 Plus and while it has a great display, next to the iPad Pro, it can’t come close to properly displaying white tones. The Galaxy Tab always a yellowish tone to the color white.
Although the OLED displays are supplied by Samsung,Apple calibrate them to their standards so it probably wouldn’t be an issue.
 
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I'm still undecided about whether to get a laptop or stick with my iPad Pro and get a Magic Keyboard to go along with it. I mean, there are some things I won't be able to do on the iPad Pro that I could do on the laptop, but I'm short of money at the moment.
If you're looking for an iPad Pro Magic Keyboard, they just went on sale on Amazon for $50 each for the white versions on both 11" and 12.9". ($249 and $299 versus original $299 and $349)
 
There's nothing wrong with 16GB as a starting point, but the prices, sheesh, that's just daylight robbery. We know it, they know it, and we all know there's nothing we can do about it, and they don't care, they're laughing all the way to that trillion dollar stock price. The only way it's changing is if a genuine Apple competitor came along with both the hardware, and the OS, to compete.

We all also know this it is exactly why they removed self-upgradeable RAM.

While I agree Apple's RAM prices are hih; removable ram would add a lot of thickness and since thin is in that negates using them as well.

I'm still undecided about whether to get a laptop or stick with my iPad Pro and get a Magic Keyboard to go along with it. I mean, there are some things I won't be able to do on the iPad Pro that I could do on the laptop, but I'm short of money at the moment.

I'd just get a bluetooth travel keyboard and use it. Cheaper solution and works fine. I did that for a while until I found a Magic keyboard return on sale for 1/3 the retail price. It's nice, but my old BT keyboard worked just fine. In some ways it was better because you could adjust the iPad/keyboard to your preferences, such as iPad on table and keyboard on lap. The MK touchpad is nice but I rarely use it.

I want to see Face ID and Ethernet ports on the new MacBook Pro models

I doubt Ethernet would return because of the port size requirements and with fast WiFi it's really become a legacy port for many users. For those that need it a dongle works just fine. As a result, I doubt Apple sees any need to bring it back.

The 16" sure isn't going to get more battery. It's already at 99.8Wh. The legal limit to get on airplanes is 100Wh.

Actually, it's 160, with airline approval, to allow for extended life batteries available for some laptops. Apple could make a more powerful battery but that risks some airlines not allowing those MB on their flights.
 
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The contrast ratio on the current models is awesome - hard to believe it isn't OLED already. Not sure how much benefit we'd get from OLED. Micro-LED might be the next worthwhile upgrade.
Micro-LED would be awesome but that probably won't happen for at least five years or longer, and even then would cost an arm and a leg. Double stacked OLED would be good, too, which is what is rumored for the 2023 iPad Pros. They improve upon regular OLED in that they can get uber bright, such as on the Samsung S22 Ultra where it can go up to 1750 nits. Regular WOLED isn't bright enough, so Apple went with mini-LED. QD-OLED (OLED with quantum dots instead of a color filter and no white sub pixel) just came out in the TV world and on a Dell Alienware monitor. It probably won't be too long before we start seeing QD-OLED on laptops.
 
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OLED is nice, but they can’t properly display The color white. I own a Samsung Galaxy Tab 8 Plus and while it has a great display, next to the iPad Pro, it can’t come close to properly displaying white tones. The Galaxy Tab always a yellowish tone to the color white.
This surprises me, but then again my eyes aren't what they used to be since I have an S8 Ultra and probably can't tell. Doesn't Samsung use standard WOLED in their panels, which has four sub pixels for each color (red, green, blue, white)? If they're using basic WOLED panels, which is what I thought the Galaxy Tabs used, wouldn't that make white a no-brainer just by shutting off the non-white sub pixels?

It occurred to me that maybe you're running Samsung's equivalent of TrueTone, which removes blue and casts things in a yellow tint. Could that be it?
 
How was this deduced? Based on the M2 offering 24GB RAM (up 50% on M1), it would stand to reason an M2 Max would be available with 96GB RAM.

Nope. The M2 could go up from the M1's RAM ceiling because they upgraded its memory controller to LPDDR5 (which is higher-density). The M1 Pro and Max, however, already are LPDDR5.

Unless the M2 Pro and Max have more memory sockets, or perhaps move to LPDDR5X, they won't have more RAM.
 
The 16" sure isn't going to get more battery. It's already at 99.8Wh. The legal limit to get on airplanes is 100Wh. More efficiency is the only way we're going to get more battery life. We'll see if the rumored 4 high efficiency cores improves on that. Since the blizzard cores improved by about 40% over ice storm and we'd get double the cores (2 to 4), we could see a huge boost, since we've seen the M2 MBA can beat a lot of Windows laptops even on low power mode, which shuts off all the avalanche cores.
I just hope they won't go for higher clock speed on the M2 Pro and M2 Max.

Heck at this point I'd rather take 2 additional E-Cores instead of P cores.. But like I said they could add additional E-Cores on the M2 Pro and make the M2 Max with two additional P cores, this way customers can choose if they want efficiency or performance.
 
I really wish Apple offered the current MacBook Pro 14 or 16 with a base M2 as an entry level option being maybe £150-200 cheaper than an M1 Pro. They obviously used the 13“ MBP for this option, and also probably thought that general public would assume the M2 to be more powerful than the M1 Pro/Max just because it’s a higher incremental number so kept them separate.
 
My 14" base model is pretty much perfect - it's hard to see how it could be improved, aside from maybe adding face ID. Pretty sure I'll be sticking with this computer for at least 4-5 years. It's basically my dream machine.
 
My 14" base model is pretty much perfect - it's hard to see how it could be improved, aside from maybe adding face ID. Pretty sure I'll be sticking with this computer for at least 4-5 years. It's basically my dream machine.
I'm sure 3-4h more battery life would be really good!

It's also my dream machine :)
 
TSMC say they'll be shipping N3 chips to their customers in early 2023, so a 2023 release should mean 3 nm.

Whether Apple uses the current A15-based architecture seen on the current M2's, or upgrades to A16, which is what will be used on the late 2022 iPhones, remains to be seen. Hopefully it's the latter. If they do that, it should be called the M3, but that's just a marketing name and Apple will do what they want.
Per googling - I can see that TSMC started volume production of N5 chips in April of 2020. Apples started shipping M1 devices at the end of November 2020 - so call it an eight month lag from entering-volume-production to in-the-hands-of-consumers.
Do we know when TSMC started (or when they'll start) N3 production? The only thing I can see is 2H22. I haven't seen anything more specific. I'm hoping for 3nm Apple Silicon no later than WWDC 23.
 
This article makes a lot of assumptions. There are other articles that suggest it's entirely possible Apple will announce updated 14 and 16" MB Pro's in the fall and could go on sale before the end of the year, probably some time in October. It's not out of the question. This is what I'm waiting for. I like the design of the 2019 MacBook Pro because it's sleeker and slimmer. I'm currently wanting to buy the 2021 16" MB Pro but if I pull the trigger and hear 2 months later they're releasing updated versions I'll be pissed. So might as well wait and allow the rumours and leaks to accumulate. Waiting a full year is hard but waiting just a couple months on such an expensive investment is worth it. Could you imagine if they DO slim it down a little bit OR make a midnight colour? Speculations aside, I just wish there was better rumours by this point as to whether apple will have another keynote this year in October.
 
I would like:
  • Since M2 can have up to 24 GB RAM, M2 Pro with a choice of 24GB and 48GB RAM, and M2 Max with 96GB RAM
  • New Black finish (Graphite?) replaces Space Gray
  • Spec bumped to HDMI 2.1, Wi-Fi 6E, Bluetooth 5.2
  • CFexpress replaces SD
  • Ultra Wideband
I like the other specs you listed, but SD is the new floppy drive for countless uses that go beyond photos. CFexpress is a niche high end photo tech. It’s never ever going to replace SD. And as far as ultra wide has Apple ever made a laptop with cellular built in? Does anyone any more? I know it sort of used to be a thing with some windows laptops, but is it still? I wouldn’t bet on that happening either.
 
This article makes a lot of assumptions. There are other articles that suggest it's entirely possible Apple will announce updated 14 and 16" MB Pro's in the fall and could go on sale before the end of the year, probably some time in October. It's not out of the question. This is what I'm waiting for. I like the design of the 2019 MacBook Pro because it's sleeker and slimmer. I'm currently wanting to buy the 2021 16" MB Pro but if I pull the trigger and hear 2 months later they're releasing updated versions I'll be pissed. So might as well wait and allow the rumours and leaks to accumulate. Waiting a full year is hard but waiting just a couple months on such an expensive investment is worth it. Could you imagine if they DO slim it down a little bit OR make a midnight colour? Speculations aside, I just wish there was better rumours by this point as to whether apple will have another keynote this year in October.
I don't see Apple changing anything about the design/dimensions of the MBPs for a few years (not even the color to keep midnight an Air exclusive), they just released the "new" design last October. Of course we'll see the new chips but any more serious tweaks to their designs are only going to eat into their profit margins, this definitely isn't a charity we're dealing with. If I were you I'd keep my eyes open for one of the $200-300 discounts that the MBPs have been getting lately, the leap from Intel to M1 was far more significant than M1 to M2. The Apple Silicon MBPs will also definitely have a high resale value and will probably depreciate even less than before. The lack of rumors should tell you either not to expect anything new this year or that it'll be a processor-only update.
 
I'm on a 2014 MBP - still using it for FCPx. AMAZING how long these things chug along. I'm waiting for the M2 at this point, but if I had an M1pro 16...I think I'd be thrilled - nobody *likes it* when the next machine comes out, but the M1 is such a massive leap forward...plus the redesign. Just no need to be envious. It won't be anything on the scale of Intel to M1!
As a matter of fact - don't read any more in this forum - go do something awesome with that powerhouse machine!
The 3 week old MBP 16 M1 Pro that i just bought replaced my Mid-2014 MBP 15 inch model and your right those things chug along heaps. Mine has been practically 'on' since i got it back in 2014.
My Windows Laptops no were near lasted that long. Only my Sony VAIO i was able to use it for a good solid 4 years everything else lucky if i got 2 years out of them :/

At the moment ive just left my older MBP downstairs permanently and still use it daily however due to its decreased battery life i have to keep it always plugged into power otherwise at random it just shuts off when running on battery power only.
Besides that its still able to do the basic daily stuff :)

I just want to see what the next MBP 16 inch model will offer and if its only something/s minor then i won't be upset that i bought the M1 now.
 
I hope so, I'm still rocking my Mid 2012 cMBP, and I'm ready for an upgrade but don't want to buy a new one this far into the cycle. My old beast is still running, so I can wait a bit but I really don't want to have to wait until next year.
Man, I thought I was bad))) I'm on my mid '15 Air, which at this point is getting tired of giving me signs that I to upgrade and is full on acting up :)
But yea, I was looking at the new Air, but then I realized that its fanless tech won't work for my needs and it'll just irritate me. So no I would prefer to get the second edition of the new pros...
 
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