What’s the first thing you’re going to do now that quarantine is over?

[D.T.]

I’m not scared. Just sensible.

Yeah, I see the word "scared" tossed around in these conversations. Scared? Hardly. I've done things, been places, engaged in activities that would make many of the people tossing that word around wet their pants However, I am cautious , I have a family that means concerns about more than just myself, and I have empathy for other people, even the ones I don't know.

 

[0388631]

Hmm, looks like Wisconsin and Texas are seeing new cases daily. Quite literally the easiest cull of low intellect in centuries.

 

[Scepticalscribe]

I’m not scared. Just sensible. ......But the stay at home save lives is a sensible approach for most.

Exactly.

Yeah, I see the word "scared" tossed around in these conversations. Scared? Hardly. I've done things, been places, engaged in activities that would make many of the people tossing that word around wet their pants However, I am cautious , I have a family that means concerns about more than just myself, and I have empathy for other people, even the ones I don't know.

Very well said.

And I, also, have worked in places that could be considered quite "scary" by any objective criteria.

Anyway, any sane and sensible - and considerate and even slightly empathetic - person should be scared - this is a highly contagious and quite deadly virus.

However, I am not so much scared (except of the strong possibility of a second wave of infections), as I am cautious, concerned, prudent, and sensible.

 

[chengengaun]

As of May 15: Georgia Department of Public Health

 

[Hieveryone]

Exactly.


Very well said.

And I, also, have worked in places that could be considered quite "scary" by any objective criteria.

Anyway, any sane and sensible - and considerate and even slightly empathetic - person should be scared - this is a highly contagious and quite deadly virus.

However, I am not so much scared (except of the strong possibility of a second wave of infections), as I am cautious, concerned, prudent, and sensible.

Yeah if someone’s scared nothing wrong with staying home but I’m fine with hanging out with friends and girlfriend(s) lol

it’s a personal choice

 

[michael9891]

Yeah if someone’s scared nothing wrong with staying home but I’m fine with hanging out with friends and girlfriend(s) lol

it’s a personal choice

I'm genuinely interested why you label cautious people as "scared"?

 

[Apple fanboy]

I'm genuinely interested why you label cautious people as "scared"?

Comment withdrawn.

 

[Tigger11]

I'm genuinely interested why you label cautious people as "scared"?

He has to figure out to pay for that bridge somehow. Now he has two or more girlfriends, last time he talked about a girl, he was near suicidal, because a girl ghosted him after two dates, I know many on that thread trying to decide with that attitude whether the second date actually happened. Just remember unless you are goat, if you hear someone under a bridge just ignore it .

 

[QCassidy352]

Well then at this point it’s just theory and hypotheticals.

It hasn’t happened nationally nor do we know if it even will.

What we do know is that most of the country is partially open and people are out

We know how the disease is spread. That's neither a theory nor a hypothetical. If we as a society do more of the things that increase transmission, cases (and eventually deaths) will go up.

If we go out more but take some preventative measures (masks, hand washing, not touching faces, keeping 6+ feet apart), then transmission will definitely not go up as much as if we go out more but don't do those things. So there are degrees possible here.

Imagine we have a big bunch of firecrackers with long fuses, and we light them all. There's going to be some that go off. Now, some will go off sooner and some later, depending on the length of each fuse. Some may not go off at all because something intervening happens before the lit fuse burns all the way down (maybe a particular fuse gets wet, or broken, or stepped on). But in general, we know that we're going to get some fireworks because we know how fuses and firecrackers function.

 

[26139]

So far the doomsayers have not been right about many things. It’s just all talk

"All talk" or scientists constantly updating their projections when presented with new information that's altered by how well we adhere to recommendations?

Super tired of people going after scientists for changing their minds when working with updated info, that's exactly how science works.
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I mean not really. Where are the charts, graphs, etc showing a national spike after everyone’s been going out?

...because we don't know what it will look like because we have nothing to model it on?

Have you ever been able to fully understand a new thing right as it's happening?

 

[Tigger11]

Can you show me the data that is showing a national uptick? My data is showing me a downward trend

First of all we don't need a national uptick for us to show states that are opening up too early. We could look at your state numbers and plan and talk about it as rational people, but your state is a secret. Just for fun, lets look at what we know from Italy, you aren't cool enough to be from Italy, but lets just say you are. Between Feb 20 and March 31, Italy recorded 12,428 deaths to Covid, HOWEVER according to its 5 year average 25,354 more died during that time. That is over twice the number. The March numbers for the US are even worse, we have over 6000 extra deaths in the month of March, and right at 2000 Covid deaths. The US has over 1 Million as of yet unrecovered Covid patients, that is the number you get when you subtract the dead and the number of recovered people from the total cases. That is a lot of contagious people with a disease more contagious then probably anything you have ever been exposed to. A disease that in the United States is showing a fatality rate of about 6%, compared to influenza which has a fatality rate of about 0.1%. Bars notoriously have bad ventilation, hanging out in one with a bunch of people is just asking to catch this and then hope you are not the 1/16 who catches it and pays the ultimate price.

 

[faust]

I'm operating my life under the fact that this pandemic didn't magically go away, and as such: I am limiting my time away from home to essential & minimal contact errands. I'll go to Best Buy and do curbside pick-up, but I am under no circumstances letting another person outside of my household touch me or be in very close proximity to me. I am wearing a mask and following social distancing, even if I have to bluntly tell someone to back away from me. I am planning to do this until cases drop to nil, or a vaccine becomes available to me. I accept that this is the new normal, and I respect it just so.

 

[seadragon]

I'm operating my life under the fact that this pandemic didn't magically go away, and as such: I am limiting my time away from home to essential & minimal contact errands. I'll go to Best Buy and do curbside pick-up, but I am under no circumstances letting another person outside of my household touch me or be in very close proximity to me. I am wearing a mask and following social distancing, even if I have to bluntly tell someone to back away from me. I am planning to do this until cases drop to nil, or a vaccine becomes available to me. I accept that this is the new normal, and I respect it just so.

A wise approach.

 

[Plutonius]

I imagine that many people are going to start looking for a job when the quarantines are over.

It's estimated that 40% of the temporary layoffs / furloughs are now permanent .

The unemployment rate is now over 14%.

 

[Plutonius]

I am planning to do this until cases drop to nil, or a vaccine becomes available to me.

I doubt the cases will ever drop to nil given this virus's characteristics. Eventually, people will consider this a more deadly version of the common cold (The common cold is a coronavirus).

Also, people shouldn't count on an effective Covid-19 vaccine (if one is found at all).

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I doubt the cases will ever drop to nil given this virus's characteristics. Eventually, people will consider this a more deadly version of the common cold (The common cold is a coronavirus).

Also, people shouldn't count on an effective Covid-19 vaccine (if one is found at all).

Oxford University have a treatment that could be as close as we can get as revealed today.

 

[Hieveryone]

He has to figure out to pay for that bridge somehow. Now he has two or more girlfriends, last time he talked about a girl, he was near suicidal, because a girl ghosted him after two dates, I know many on that thread trying to decide with that attitude whether the second date actually happened. Just remember unless you are goat, if you hear someone under a bridge just ignore it .

Are you describing your own life?

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Regarding the bars, seeing my girlfriend(s), etc, I’m still doing it lol I’m not convinced I shouldn’t go

Bars are all open and my girlfriend(s) are coming over and I’m enjoying like normal
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I’m following the science, btw. National trend is lower as per my sources
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"All talk" or scientists constantly updating their projections when presented with new information that's altered by how well we adhere to recommendations?

Super tired of people going after scientists for changing their minds when working with updated info, that's exactly how science works.
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...because we don't know what it will look like because we have nothing to model it on?

Have you ever been able to fully understand a new thing right as it's happening?

Well then maybe you should just stay at home?

I doubt people will really care whether you stay home or go out it’s really up to the individual.

It’s a personal choice.

I’m doing three things

1) Using common sense

2) Following the local rules

3) Being aware of the science
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We know how the disease is spread. That's neither a theory nor a hypothetical. If we as a society do more of the things that increase transmission, cases (and eventually deaths) will go up.

If we go out more but take some preventative measures (masks, hand washing, not touching faces, keeping 6+ feet apart), then transmission will definitely not go up as much as if we go out more but don't do those things. So there are degrees possible here.

Imagine we have a big bunch of firecrackers with long fuses, and we light them all. There's going to be some that go off. Now, some will go off sooner and some later, depending on the length of each fuse. Some may not go off at all because something intervening happens before the lit fuse burns all the way down (maybe a particular fuse gets wet, or broken, or stepped on). But in general, we know that we're going to get some fireworks because we know how fuses and firecrackers function.

Well there’s a lot of worse case scenarios but I’m an optimist

 

[LizKat]

Can you show me the data that is showing a national uptick? My data is showing me a downward trend

That's because you and your imaginary presumed friends who plan to go bar hopping haven't had enough time to get infected, so to infect another whole bunch of new Covid-19 hosts yet, so for a new local spike to be not just launched but finally recognized a few weeks later. So there's some time yet for that data to appear and be recognized as an upward interruption in either a plateau or a downward trend.

You'll be included, don't worry. But one can hope that you'll be one of the invisible datapoints that wears a mask and so manages to have a good time without infecting anyone or getting sick yourself. Don't forget the social distancing while you're out there. That's the part that protects you, not so much the mask. The mask is to help you avoid infecting others if and when you get Covid-19 but don't realize you have it.

Really the best part of herd immunity is letting other people help develop it first... with luck one gets to skate on the experience until there's a vaccine and one can take the easy road through this damned virus' travels on planet Earth. And some coronaviruses do just fade out before a vaccine is finished. Maybe we'll all luck out and Covid-19 will run out of steam the way MERS and SARS did. But this one has already killed a lot more people since it managed to achieve pandemic status, primarily because it's far more contagious, not because of its relative lethality.

Either way, best of luck. Don't count on luck though: do your part to avoid getting infected and avoid infecting others as well. Do the social distancing for your own sake. Wear the mask for others' sake, to places where social distancing may break down momentarily for awhile, like in stores or public transit systems, and a bunch of people are briefly closer together than they should be to minimze transmission of this very contagious virus.

 

[Hieveryone]

That's because you and your imaginary presumed friends who plan to go bar hopping haven't had enough time to get infected, so to infect another whole bunch of new Covid-19 hosts yet, so for a new local spike to be not just launched but finally recognized a few weeks later. So there's some time yet for that data to appear and be recognized as an upward interruption in either a plateau or a downward trend.

You'll be included, don't worry. But one can hope that you'll be one of the invisible datapoints that wears a mask and so manages to have a good time without infecting anyone or getting sick yourself. Don't forget the social distancing while you're out there. That's the part that protects you, not so much the mask. The mask is to help you avoid infecting others if and when you get Covid-19 but don't realize you have it.

Really the best part of herd immunity is letting other people help develop it first... with luck one gets to skate on the experience until there's a vaccine and one can take the easy road through this damned virus' travels on planet Earth. And some coronaviruses do just fade out before a vaccine is finished. Maybe we'll all luck out and Covid-19 will run out of steam the way MERS and SARS did. But this one has already killed a lot more people since it managed to achieve pandemic status, primarily because it's far more contagious, not because of its relative lethality.

Either way, best of luck. Don't count on luck though: do your part to avoid getting infected and avoid infecting others as well. Do the social distancing for your own sake. Wear the mask for others' sake, to places where social distancing may break down momentarily for awhile, like in stores or public transit systems, and a bunch of people are briefly closer together than they should be to minimze transmission of this very contagious virus.

I didn’t know “imaginary” friends could carry corona lol

But yeah I mean don’t drink from other people’s cups etc I get it

Regarding girlfriend, you can’t say “I don’t want to kiss you, what if you have corona”

Won’t go too well 😂

 

[LizKat]

I didn’t know “imaginary” friends could carry corona lol

But yeah I mean don’t drink from other people’s cups etc I get it

Regarding girlfriend, you can’t say “I don’t want to kiss you, what if you have corona”

Won’t go too well 😂

It's not about your GF. Let's say you and she are not infected right now. So the concern would be about the two of you protecting yourselves from too close contact in a bar with people who might be infected and yet are not wearing masks, so they could infect you. Then if you both get infected but aren't feeling ill, you become two of the people who should DEFINITELY be wearing masks when you're in a public space, so you don't pass the virus on to others.

 

[Hieveryone]

It's not about your GF. Let's say you and she are not infected right now. So the concern would be about the two of you protecting yourselves from too close contact in a bar with people who might be infected and yet are not wearing masks, so they could infect you. Then if you both get infected but aren't feeling ill, you become two of the people who should DEFINITELY be wearing masks when you're in a public space, so you don't pass the virus on to others.

Well I don’t really hangout with anyone other than friends and girlfriend(s) plus no one I know has it.

It’s affecting nursing home etc more

 

[QCassidy352]

Well there’s a lot of worse case scenarios but I’m an optimist

“Optimist” isn’t the word I’d use for someone who lights a bunch of firecrackers and just hopes they won’t go off.
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Well I don’t really hangout with anyone other than friends and girlfriend(s) plus no one I know has it.

But you don’t know that because 1. Some people are asymptomatic and 2. There’s a long incubation period. That’s the whole point.

 

[LizKat]

Well I don’t really hangout with anyone other than friends and girlfriend(s) plus no one I know has it.

So you're not listening to any guidelines about the contagion of this virus, the fact you can have it without knowing and so can infect other people, also without knowing it? ( Just to make sure I understand where you're coming from. )

I mean I thought you said something earlier about following any guidelines or rules but being happy that lockdowns were ending where you live. Even in fast-reopening states now, the governors or local public health authorities have often recommended following social distancing and wearing masks in crowded areas.

But you won't bother wearing a mask in crowded public spaces after you first get out and about in your bar hopping with girlfriends? That doesn't really make a lot of sense to me, since you may well end up exposed to the virus during those expeditions... and so after that should be wearing a mask to help prevent infecting others.

It’s affecting nursing home etc more

It only appears to affect nursing homes more, because older people in nursing homes are generally more vulnerable; their immune systems are generally less able to fight off this or any other virus.

Still, nearly 40% of people who end up hospitalized for Covid-19 are under age 55.

Ok, that's "only" 4 in 10, right? As far as infection rates go though, the virus is very contagious across all age groups, just that most people don't get particularly sick from it.

Still, since you're under age 55, are you happy with the idea that you have a 4 in 10 chance of landing in a hospital if you do get a Covid-19 infection?

tbh if I had a 40% chance of electrocuting myself every time I made toast, I'd switch to cold cereal for breakfast.

 

[Tigger11]

Are you describing your own life?

No, as you well know we are talking about one of your other silly threads. The one about the girl leaving you after two dates, its like 30 pages, hard to miss, not the one about cheating on your 20 year old girlfriend with the older woman or the one about your girlfriend must be gay because she kissed another girl at a party, the one where you were despondent about the girl ghosting you (your words) after two dates, but you used a mint so that couldnt be the problem is your best line from that one, the private chatter about that was hilarious. Voted best private chatter thread of 2019 by a landslide.

I’m doing three things

1) Using common sense

2) Following the local rules

3) Being aware of the science
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1) No, you are not, common sense doesnt take you to a place with bad ventilation in a large group who can't wear masks. You'll be like those people in New York this morning, who were told that their barber how illegally never closed has Covid and they likely do to, so go get tested.

2) You say you are, but honestly I have the 50 state handbook in front of me, and don't see alot of states that have relaxation of safe guards as you are describing, the original guess was that telling us your place of residence would show one of your previous tall tales was false, now I am wondering if its because your state hasnt relaxed it stance and you are sitting at home making things up.

3) No, you and science aren't really close acquaintances, I think of science ghosting you most of your life. Let me see if I can explain this to you with people you understand.

President Donald Trump - Not a doctor or a scientist
Doctor Anthony Fauci - Actual Medical Doctor and Scientist. (Also played by Brad Pitt on SNL)

You are doing what Trump wants you to do, I and everyone else on here arguing to the contrary are doing what Fauci wants us to do. So don't say you are aware of the science, unless you follow it by saying but I am not doing what the scientists are telling me to do.

Also to help out your fellow man here on macrumors, when your hazardous actions lead to you catching Covid, how about you post that you caught it, so we can track how you are doing?

Well there’s a lot of worse case scenarios but I’m an optimist

From previous threads we know you are not an optimist. Back in late March or early April, you were going stir crazy and talking about not being able to stay inside much longer. You know are running around doing the most dangerous thing you can go do, go out with a big group to a bar.

-Tig

 

[Hieveryone]

No, as you well know we are talking about one of your other silly threads. The one about the girl leaving you after two dates, its like 30 pages, hard to miss, not the one about cheating on your 20 year old girlfriend with the older woman or the one about your girlfriend must be gay because she kissed another girl at a party, the one where you were despondent about the girl ghosting you (your words) after two dates, but you used a mint so that couldnt be the problem is your best line from that one, the private chatter about that was hilarious. Voted best private chatter thread of 2019 by a landslide.



1) No, you are not, common sense doesnt take you to a place with bad ventilation in a large group who can't wear masks. You'll be like those people in New York this morning, who were told that their barber how illegally never closed has Covid and they likely do to, so go get tested.

2) You say you are, but honestly I have the 50 state handbook in front of me, and don't see alot of states that have relaxation of safe guards as you are describing, the original guess was that telling us your place of residence would show one of your previous tall tales was false, now I am wondering if its because your state hasnt relaxed it stance and you are sitting at home making things up.

3) No, you and science aren't really close acquaintances, I think of science ghosting you most of your life. Let me see if I can explain this to you with people you understand.

President Donald Trump - Not a doctor or a scientist
Doctor Anthony Fauci - Actual Medical Doctor and Scientist. (Also played by Brad Pitt on SNL)

You are doing what Trump wants you to do, I and everyone else on here arguing to the contrary are doing what Fauci wants us to do. So don't say you are aware of the science, unless you follow it by saying but I am not doing what the scientists are telling me to do.

Also to help out your fellow man here on macrumors, when your hazardous actions lead to you catching Covid, how about you post that you caught it, so we can track how you are doing?



From previous threads we know you are not an optimist. Back in late March or early April, you were going stir crazy and talking about not being able to stay inside much longer. You know are running around doing the most dangerous thing you can go do, go out with a big group to a bar.

-Tig

Wow long post but from a quick skim , when do you think people should go outside then?

I’ve been living like normal already, enjoying my friends, girlfriends, bars, restaurants, etc

I can’t remember the first thing I did though lol