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Yep, I waited 2 and a half hours to get mine.

what in the world???? That’s insane. I couldnt wait that long
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Sadly, not all government leaders are basing their decisions on sound epidemiological advice or taking human behavior into account. It makes no sense to relax restrictions in areas that are still experiencing significant increases in cases, though it's impossible to know for certain without adequate testing, which is still not available in most states in the U.S. Aside from the illness, fatality, and long-term medical consequences of COVID-19, overtaxing hospitals remains a real concern, especially as many are starting to offer elective procedures again.

I keep hearing from people who claim that government has no right to restrict movement or require masks. But isn't protecting the population what government is supposed to do, within reason? Otherwise, regulations like helmet and seatbelt laws wouldn't exist, and those are primarily intended to safeguard the individuals who wear them. In the case of COVID-19, the directives also protect others directly and indirectly.

There are right ways and wrong ways to do this. South Korea remains an example of the former, while the U.S. is unfortunately representative of the latter.

Well that’s what our governors did and are still doing- protecting our interests. And mine has determined that lifting the stay at home order is fine
 
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Well that’s what our governors did and are still doing- protecting our interests. And mine has determined that lifting the stay at home order is fine

Assumption 1: that lifting restrictions is not politically motivated
Assumption 2: that lifting restrictions will not result in infections increasing

On the face of it, in isolation, assumption 1 is a case of maybe, maybe not.
However, assumption 2 is a case of "medical professionals have continually warned against opening too early".

So I'd argue that there's a good chance the opening up is nothing to do with following medical advice. They're either not getting medical advice, or are ignoring it.
 
I'd start making plans for voting out your local/state government, for being so irresponsible.

That’ll be up to the people of our state to decide. I can say I LOVE our local government officials and our state government. Smart and empathetic. They work for us because they care for us. Good heart. Not like D.C. politicians who are just in it for the power
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Assumption 1: that lifting restrictions is not politically motivated
Assumption 2: that lifting restrictions will not result in infections increasing

On the face of it, in isolation, assumption 1 is a case of maybe, maybe not.
However, assumption 2 is a case of "medical professionals have continually warned against opening too early".

So I'd argue that there's a good chance the opening up is nothing to do with following medical advice. They're either not getting medical advice, or are ignoring it.

Well I’m not really into conspiracy theories
 
If your governor had 100 of your favourite sweets and told you that 2 of them were poisonous and would kill you, the other 98 are safe though, would you eat them?

Blind faith will get you killed.( I certainly hope not and do wish the best for your compatriots), your country has one of the worst records in the world with this epidemic, from afar it's not a good look.

But as I said, best wishes, I hope your and your loved ones remain safe and don't become another statistic.
 
Yep, I waited 2 and a half hours to get mine.

My barber doesn't take appointments, and 2 1/2 hours isn't terribly out of line on a normal Saturday. That might be stretching it a bit, but I have waited that long. He'll start cutting, get to telling a story, sit down and light a cigarette, smoke it while it's telling the story, and then get back to the hair cut at least once through almost every head. I've timed him and he runs 25-35 minutes. Admittedly if he does have a shop full, he tends to speed things up a bit, especially since I imagine it's awfully difficult to keep the lights on at $20/hour(he charges $10 for a haircut).

The last few times, I started going during UK Basketball games-I knew he'd be watching it at the shop so I wouldn't miss it, and no one else comes. Of course, that won't happen when he opens up again.

When he does finally get the all clear to open, I'm planning on probably being there when he opens and if need be spending the whole day there :) .

All of that said, though, you have to love a good old time, small town barber shop, even though I hate the fact that I've I come out smelling like I've spent the evening at a bowling alley.
 
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If your governor had 100 of your favourite sweets and told you that 2 of them were poisonous and would kill you, the other 98 are safe though, would you eat them?

Blind faith will get you killed.( I certainly hope not and do wish the best for your compatriots), your country has one of the worst records in the world with this epidemic, from afar it's not a good look.

But as I said, best wishes, I hope your and your loved ones remain safe and don't become another statistic.

The hypotheticals are endless. I'm just listening to the state and local officials and not getting distracted by here say
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My barber doesn't take appointments, and 2 1/2 hours isn't terribly out of line on a normal Saturday. That might be stretching it a bit, but I have waited that long. He'll start cutting, get to telling a story, sit down and light a cigarette, smoke it while it's telling the story, and then get back to the hair cut at least once through almost every head. I've timed him and he runs 25-35 minutes. Admittedly if he does have a shop full, he tends to speed things up a bit, especially since I imagine it's awfully difficult to keep the lights on at $20/hour(he charges $10 for a haircut).

The last few times, I started going during UK Basketball games-I knew he'd be watching it at the shop so I wouldn't miss it, and no one else comes. Of course, that won't happen when he opens up again.

When he does finally get the all clear to open, I'm planning on probably being there when he opens and if need be spending the whole day there :) .

All of that said, though, you have to love a good old time, small town barber shop, even though I hate the fact that I've I come out smelling like I've spent the evening at a bowling alley.

If I had to wait 2 hours for a haircut, I'd get someone else to do my haircut lol. If I have to wait 15 minutes for my haircut I get upset, because I only do by appointment. My stylist learned this about me early on and now just calls me when she's ready haha. I don't live too far, maybe 10-12 minutes.
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I was officiating a wedding the next day, I had to get my haircut.

Oh I see can't blame ya. Anything wedding related requires a top notch look for sure
 
Just make sure your sources are accurate. I’m going with the official state advice and rules to be safe rather than here say and rumors.

My sources - I'm a trained historian - are always accurate.

...... You were even asked a question relating to your occupation that you completely avoided. You're being deliberately obtuse, and I think we all know why. ;)

Yes, this question - that one concerning the OP's occupation - has also occurred to me.

Who’s complaining? But I think you need to check what your governor actually said. Live normally again? I very much he said that unless he’s a complete idiot!

Agreed.

Very well said.

And, as other have already asked, to which governor and which state does the OP refer?

From what I have read, it is very unlikely to have been New York.

The OP just must be trolling...right....right?!

I suspect so, or else being disingenuous and dangerously irresponsible in his conduct and behaviour if his real life behaviour reflects his online stated preferences.

Do you even understand the situation? Or do you just not care about anyone else's health/wellbeing?

Well said.

The CDC (a source I assume may be deemed reputable) puts American deaths from this condition as of yesterday at 65,735; The Guardian, (a British newspaper), quoting statistics supplied by Johns Hopkins University (another reputable source) cite a number of 67,677 deaths in the US as of yesterday, while other, more up to date, sources number American deaths to be in excess of 69,000, and, on current trends, will have exceeded 70,000 by today.

I cannot see how anyone can begin to contemplate a discussion on the surreal topic of "a return to normal" during a highly infectious - and unusually lethal - pandemic - one that has already killed around 70,000 of one's fellow citizens in the space of two short months, and, moreover, this particular combination, a condition where a virus is both exceptionally contagious and quite deadly is one we haven't experienced worldwide since the Spanish flu epidemic of a century ago.

(By way of striking contrast, just over 47,000 US troops died as a result of combat during the years of the Vietnam War, a total brought up to over 57,000 when you add to that all US troops who simply died while in Vietnam, not necessarily solely from combat, but from injuries, wounds, sucide or accidents).
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The hypotheticals are endless. I'm just listening to the state and local officials and not getting distracted by here say

And - once again - just for clarification, your state is?

If I had to wait 2 hours for a haircut, I'd get someone else to do my haircut lol. If I have to wait 15 minutes for my haircut I get upset, because I only do by appointment. My stylist learned this about me early on and now just calls me when she's ready haha. I don't live too far, maybe 10-12 minutes.

You'll be waiting months, if not a year or so, for some semblance of "normal" to return; this will not truly happen until a vaccine has been developed, the rates of infection controlled to some extent, and the capacity of the health services to isolate, treat, test, and trace with those who become infected from - and ill from - this condition, considerably improved.

Might I suggest that you commence cultivating the virtue of patience.
 
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Well said.

The CDC (a source I assume may be deemed reputable) puts American deaths from this condition as of yesterday at 65,735; other, more up to date, sources number American deaths in excess of 69,000, and, will exceed 70,000 by today.

I cannot see how anyone can begin to contemplate a discussion on the surreal topic of "a return to normal" during a highly infectious - and unusually lethal - pandemic - and this particular combination, a condition where a virus is both exceptionally contagious and deadly is one we haven't experienced worldwide since the Spanish flu epidemic of a century ago - that has already killed around 70,000 of one's fellow citizens in the space of two short months.

(By way of striking contrast, just 47,000 US troops died as a result of combat during the years of the Vietnam War, a total brought up to over 57,000 when you add to that all US troops who simply died while in Vietnam, not necessarily solely from combat, injuries, wounds or accidents).

Exactly.. anyone who thinks that the biggest negative of this whole situations is their 'freedoms' being taken away is quite frankly stupid.

And that isn't a 'conspiracy theory', it is the plain scientific truth that things aren't back to normal, and cannot go back to normal for some time.
 
Agreed.

Very well said.

And, as other have already asked, to which governor and which state does the OP refer?

From what I have read, it is very unlikely to have been New York.



Bravo, well said.

And I am in complete agreement with you.



I suspect so, or else being disingenuous and dangerously irresponsible in his conduct and behaviour if his real life behaviour reflects his online stated preferences.



Well said.

The CDC (a source I assume may be deemed reputable) puts American deaths from this condition as of yesterday at 65,735; other, more up to date, sources number American deaths in excess of 69,000, and, will exceed 70,000 by today.

I cannot see how anyone can begin to contemplate a discussion on the surreal topic of "a return to normal" during a highly infectious - and unusually lethal - pandemic - and this particular combination, a condition where a virus is both exceptionally contagious and deadly is one we haven't experienced worldwide since the Spanish flu epidemic of a century ago - that has already killed around 70,000 of one's fellow citizens in the space of two short months.

(By way of striking contrast, just 47,000 US troops died as a result of combat during the years of the Vietnam War, a total brought up to over 57,000 when you add to that all US troops who simply died while in Vietnam, not necessarily solely from combat, injuries, wounds or accidents).
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And - once again - just for clarification, your state is?



You'll be waiting months, if not a year or so, for some semblance of "normal" to return; this will not truly happen until a vaccine has been developed, the rates of infection controlled to some extent, and the capacity of the health services to treat, test, and trace with those who become infected from - and ill from - this condition, considerably improved.

Might I suggest that you commence cultivating the virtue of patience.

I'm living basically like pre-corona minus the few rules. I'm able to do pretty much do whatever I want to do. It definitely feels over.

I think TX is opening today btw, happy for them.
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Exactly.. anyone who thinks that the biggest negative of this whole situations is their 'freedoms' being taken away is quite frankly stupid.

And that isn't a 'conspiracy theory', it is the plain scientific truth that things aren't back to normal, and cannot go back to normal for some time.

I'm just following the state rules, and they said "stay at home" ordinance is over. Very relieved and happy about it
 
That doesn't mean that the pandemic is over. The reality of the current situation is that people are continuing to die from it.

Well we're allowed to go out and do things again as long as we follow the rules. See our friends, girlfriend(s) lol, and just live life like normal...

The crowds are pretty huge while still following the orders. Many young people out. Everyone's out enjoying
 
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What is the point you're making?

That America is opening up again in many places and that it’s an exciting time that things are starting to feel normal again
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@retta283 What’s the scene like in Kingman? And AZ in general?

I know Kingman quite well. Last real stop before that loooong (and scary) drive to LV (but totally worth it lol)
 
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That America is opening up again in many places and that it’s an exciting time that things are starting to feel normal again
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@retta283 What’s the scene like in Kingman? And AZ in general?

I know Kingman quite well. Last real stop before that loooong (and scary) drive to LV (but totally worth it lol)
Mohave county hasn't been hit too bad by Covid, but we're still under the same restrictions as Maricopa (hit the hardest). Business and contact rules are supposed to be easing within the next 3 weeks. For me, little has changed other than being out of work. I went to Bullhead when all the shutdowns were first happening, and was unable to do my usual shopping there during my visit. But, my wallet did not need the extra burden anyways.

Since I didn't go out much beforehand, and I do not follow the news, unemployment is the only difference I am seeing. I was informed that there are protests currently against the restrictions, as appears to be the case in many other cities too.
 
It's possible @Hieveryone truly believes what he's saying about returning to near-normal activity based on what some government officials are saying. I've tried to offer information gleaned from epidemiologists, infectious disease specialists, biotechnologists, intensive care physicians, and others, some of whom I work with and know personally.

There is much misinformation out there. I encourage everyone to do some research on your own and decide what makes sense. Look for people who back up their statements with science and who are willing to change their opinion as new evidence comes to light.

I wish @Hieveryone and others in this thread the best, but I won't contribute any further.
 
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Just because the curve has barely flattened doesn't mean the outbreak is over. Not by a long shot.

There's a window of time of 2+ weeks where people are still infectious, and some don't show symptoms.

If you open everything back up too soon there WILL be a second wave.
Exactly hiding from the virus means you just never got it. They want to open up slowly again once the curve settles for the same reason they locked down in the first place. They need the second curve to stay under the capacity of healthcare.
 
Well we're allowed to go out and do things again as long as we follow the rules. See our friends, girlfriend(s) lol, and just live life like normal...

The crowds are pretty huge while still following the orders. Many young people out. Everyone's out enjoying

Uh... "living life like normal" now includes living with a coronavirus that has not been vanquished nor even controlled, given that nothing like herd immunity has been achieved yet, and that a vaccine is not yet available even though efforts are being made around the world to advance the pace of development and clinical trials. Meanwhile there is no herd immunity, so eruption of hotspots into mini-pandemics anywhere remain a challenge in terms of balancing public health and economic concerns.

So we tentatively celebrate emergence from lockdowns while all those not yet infected run risk of contracting an illness where even the definition of who's most vulnerable (and from epidemiologists' focus, "why!?") is still under investigation. Covid-19 infection so far remains an illness with unequal impact on society, the fundamental risk having to do entirely with extent of contact with "the public" --where so far the highest rates of antibody presence in a state like New York vary from 1% to at most around 20%.

It would seem that any such celebrations remain tempered by caution and as with the waning of SARS back in 2003, precautions such as wearing of masks in crowded venues might choicefully continue... along with awareness that social distancing is advisable since not everyone will be wearing masks or self-isolating even while shedding this virus, once constraints by authorities begin to loosen.

Remember, unlike SARS, Covid-19 may inhabit us without making us feel noticeably ill. It's not like your best friend is going to be wearing a sandwich board advertising "Yep, somehow I caught it even though I feel fine!" No... he or she will just have set the coffee pot back on the warming burner as you enter the pantry to grab another cuppa joe.

Speaking of economic concerns, "living life like normal" for the second time in two decades now requires every country on the planet to deal with monstrous lost opportunity and the abrupt crumbling of a floor from which to rise up again in order to continue building (clip from the FT this morning, in a piece on economic impact:

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Although there's no particular reason that a restart in some segments won't just "pick up where they left off", i.e. given the stimulus programs' focus on trying to put a floor under potential losses in general, there's also no assurance that further lockdowns due to re-eruption of the coronavirus at levels swamping first responders and hospital facilities won't occur. The IMF is already forecasting global losses of around 9 trillion. Some of that will end up being written off --e.g., leisure industries and travel-- and some losses may be forestalled by central banks leaving money easy for an extended period again. But at that point the central banks run the risk of igniting runaway inflation, since their impact is not focused the way that legislative stimulus programs usually are once past the initial rounds of economic assistance.​
Does that sound like "living life like normal" to you? The new normal for most countries will be about struggling to get up off what they hope isn't a false floor.​
 
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