There's a difference between "staying home cowering" and using your brain to minimise risk as you go about your day.
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What’s the first thing you’re going to do now that quarantine is over?
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There's a difference between "staying home cowering" and using your brain to minimise risk as you go about your day.
"using your brain to minimise risk" sure sounds better than "staying home cowering". I guess that's like calling a janitor a director of facilities management. I'll have to tell my friends who are "staying home cowering"... I mean using their brain 😂
This has got to be one of the most uninformed thing I've read on this site.
I guess my choice to not drive off a bridge today was just me being a coward driver, not using my brain to minimise risk.
Well if you think going out to do normal activities that free people are allowed to do like those not in North Korea is the equivalent of driving off a bridge then I can't help you dude... You just keep being you and don't worry about anything. It'll be okay 😂
I've heard ignorance is bliss mate, glad to have the standards in place where I live, I don't like it all , bit I trust it and we're doing well, the end will come and we'll be thankful, that we did the right thing and our families and loved ones are alive.
Going out to do normal things when we are in the middle of a pandemic which requires people to stay home so vulnerable people don't die is stupid. Both this and driving off a bridge are STUPID things to do.
One thing that these past few months have taught me is that some people don't give a toss about others, all that matters is me me me me me.
Wait so if these "vulnerable people" are acting like we're "the middle of a pandemic which requires people to stay home" how is me going out keeping my social distance going to kill them as you say? This sounds about as crazy as when the CDC and WHO lied saying wearing a mask increases your risk of catching the coronavirus... Damn MSNBC is frying people's brain and their ability to reason logically 😂
When we are actually allowed to do so...I would like to go to a restaurant and actually eat IN it. I treated COVID patients and I am now in the last days of my voluntary quarantine so I can go back to work in my normal department. I won't knock anyone who doesn't feel comfortable going out in public. It's totally understandable. But from my perspective...I stood pretty much face to face with this virus...and so far, I've been healthy as usual. Going out would still be a risk of course, but my experience over this time has made me a little more comfortable. Will I be cautious when I go? Absolutely. But I don't think I would be nearly as anxious or uncomfortable as other people might be.
And I do also have to throw my two cents in here. I listen to people (and my governor) say that if we reopen too soon, we will see a spike in cases. They talk about a second wave in the fall. If they were ACTUALLY concerned and believed that there was even the slimmest chance of that happening...I don't think they would be closing and actively DISMANTLING our temporary setups. It seems like an...interesting...move, to say the least. If you're so worried about capacity and the potential for another sharp increase in cases, one would think you'd want to keep these temporary setups...available. Not dismantle them completely. It seems like a pretty suspicious move when you're constantly warning people of a second possible spike and another wave.
And I do also have to throw my two cents in here. I listen to people (and my governor) say that if we reopen too soon, we will see a spike in cases. They talk about a second wave in the fall. If they were ACTUALLY concerned and believed that there was even the slimmest chance of that happening...I don't think they would be closing and actively DISMANTLING our temporary setups. It seems like an...interesting...move, to say the least. If you're so worried about capacity and the potential for another sharp increase in cases, one would think you'd want to keep these temporary setups...available. Not dismantle them completely. It seems like a pretty suspicious move when you're constantly warning people of a second possible spike and another wave.
What is wrong with you people?!?!? The question was: what is the first thing you will do when the quarantine is over yet all of you have derailed this thread. Stick the topic.
Mods please get involved here as this thread has lost its way.
Mods please get involved here as this thread has lost its way.
I'm pretty sure I answered the question and some people apparently had an issue with it. The discussion was about what I was going to do (Already did) when the curfew was lifted.
Funnily enough I am selective with the media I read.
You suggested that people who are staying home are "staying home cowering", and my point was that this view was insane as staying home is a smart thing to do at the moment and as it promotes social distancing and it allows people who need to be out to do what they need to do with a reduced risk of getting COVID-19.
I'm still not going out, for unnecessary reasons, with the stay at home orders greatly relaxed in my state. As the governors idea of flattening the curve is to open things up right at the peak of the curve. It's sort of a Catch-22 for politicians. If you keep things closed. The economy tanks and they'll be voted out of office. I you open things up. People die and you get voted out of office.
I love hardware stores. Normally, I'm usually working on a project, repair or something around the house during my free time. While the lock down would be a perfect time to work on projects. I asked myself if it was worth risking the illness for myself and household. Plus waste money during uncertain economic times. Of course it was! Woo!
I'm kidding of course. Although I'd love to do some gardening or build something. I'm not going to the hardware store for something which isn't essential. Just groceries and the pharmacy.
I love hardware stores. Normally, I'm usually working on a project, repair or something around the house during my free time. While the lock down would be a perfect time to work on projects. I asked myself if it was worth risking the illness for myself and household. Plus waste money during uncertain economic times. Of course it was! Woo!
I'm kidding of course. Although I'd love to do some gardening or build something. I'm not going to the hardware store for something which isn't essential. Just groceries and the pharmacy.
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In certain place where shelter-in-place orders may have been lifted and businesses have been given the green light to open with restrictions... it's clearly not like the tri-state area. I can't even imagine going out in public without masks and social distancing. My son was just told his office is reopening (maybe) in September...if that talks to the severity of the situation on the east coast. I would like to go to a bar and have a drink (although how does one drink with a mask? On the east coast the mask will be required, imo, in many scenarios after shelter-in-place is lifted)
The 1st thing has to be going clothes shopping , meeting up with friends and going to the beach
The original intent of the lockdown was to flatten the curve so we did not overwhelm the capacity of the Health Care system. That has been accomplished. The lockdown was never a long term solution. There is no universe where you can sustain a lockdown for a year and half while a vaccine is developed. So, it is time to think about how to get the economy and important services reopened, unless we have moved the bar to a new purpose for the lockdown.
There is a natural tendency to fixate on Covid 19 deaths. I get it. But, we really need to think about the total societal good. People have not been able to see their doctors for routine checkups. How many cancer diagnosis have gone undiscovered? Calls to suicide hotlines are way up. Drug overdose. Domestic violence. Crime as people become more economically desperate. What about the economic misery of a depression, which may kill tens of thousands or more? We dont Have the luxury of simply optimizing around one singular metric, such as: Minimize Covid 19 deaths.
There is much being made of the fact that many of these states don’t meet CDC guidelines for reopening, and that is concerning. But, even Dr Fauci has acknowledged that these are general guidelines and not applicable to all regions or counties within states. We have a rural county in north eastern California that has zero C19 cases. They can’t possibly have 2 steady weeks of decline in cases because they never had one. It requires some common sense. On the other hand, reopening tattoo and massage parlors seems kind Of crazy to me.
I like Cuomo’s model. Open the valve slowly and watch the results. To me the most important gauge is The number of new C19 hospitalizations. We need to stay well below capacity. Meanwhile, protect the most vulnerable, cancel large events, wear masks, social distance, wash hands, and slowly reopen important services and elements of the economy.
There is a natural tendency to fixate on Covid 19 deaths. I get it. But, we really need to think about the total societal good. People have not been able to see their doctors for routine checkups. How many cancer diagnosis have gone undiscovered? Calls to suicide hotlines are way up. Drug overdose. Domestic violence. Crime as people become more economically desperate. What about the economic misery of a depression, which may kill tens of thousands or more? We dont Have the luxury of simply optimizing around one singular metric, such as: Minimize Covid 19 deaths.
There is much being made of the fact that many of these states don’t meet CDC guidelines for reopening, and that is concerning. But, even Dr Fauci has acknowledged that these are general guidelines and not applicable to all regions or counties within states. We have a rural county in north eastern California that has zero C19 cases. They can’t possibly have 2 steady weeks of decline in cases because they never had one. It requires some common sense. On the other hand, reopening tattoo and massage parlors seems kind Of crazy to me.
I like Cuomo’s model. Open the valve slowly and watch the results. To me the most important gauge is The number of new C19 hospitalizations. We need to stay well below capacity. Meanwhile, protect the most vulnerable, cancel large events, wear masks, social distance, wash hands, and slowly reopen important services and elements of the economy.
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I don't really have much to actually add here, I'm just asking out of curiosity. Are you talking about Modoc County? I remember hearing on my local news (and I'm a looooooooong way away from California) that a county in California was basically "giving Newsom the finger and defying orders". (Just curious if we're talking about the same one)! The way the media here was reporting that story...you'd think the sky was falling. No joke, they made a bigger deal about a county in California than they're making about the county next to the one I live in, and that county is giving our governor the finger as well!
I used to live in Contra Costa County (the eastern part). Still have family there who have said people in that part of the county seem to have gotten a little more restless ever since the Bay Area counties once again extended the order.
Of which a part of total societal good is minimize covid 19 infections to reduce the burden on the healthcare system and prevent future infections. I wonder what the burden on the healthcare system of covid-19 by age group is?
Which is a ridiculous way it's being characterized in the media. The spokesman for the county pointed out that they've had no cases, that due to the county's low population, they basically already are "socially distancing" when they go to the store under normal circumstances because there just aren't any crowds there. Unfair that it's being characterized as a bunch of "rebels" saying FU to Newsom. It is common sense in their case.
(I'm in San Mateo County--even though the state is loosening restrictions, my county is not. Nonetheless it's obvious that more people are out and about, freeways have more traffic, things are "opening up" despite a lack of change in the shelter-in-place order).
yes, I was referring to Modoc County. Of course, there are other similar less densely populated counties in the USA. The point is that the guidelines that make sense for reopening in NYC probably don’t apply to Modoc. Actually, the media was little unfair to the county leadership and to the governor. It seems like they worked the issues out. It wasn’t a rebellion or anything.
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I was not very articulate when I made this particular point. So, what I am saying is that we can’t afford the luxury of only optimizing on one variabe: ie. C19 infections. There is more going on in society than just preventing these infections, and so maximizing societal good is not necessarily the same thing as minimizing infections. For example, some media outlets talk about the possibility of additional infections due to reopening as being an intolerable consequence. But the uncomfortable truth is that we have to trade-off many things to optimize societal good: C19 infections, economy, education (school closures), preventive health care, mental health, etc...
Our society isn’t a one trick pony.
Clearly, the elderly and those with certain existing health conditions are the most vulnerable, and we need to continue to look out for these people. Which is no easy task.
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Bars are opening up big next week in my state!!!!
I’m so, so, so happy like this is such a relief and excitement at the same time.
I’m guessing for some the first big thing they’ll be doing is hitting the bars!!!
I’m going to need my friends to watch me close haha
I’m so, so, so happy like this is such a relief and excitement at the same time.
I’m guessing for some the first big thing they’ll be doing is hitting the bars!!!
I’m going to need my friends to watch me close haha
Your life, your choice. My life, my choice.
Seems like there’s people who are going out and living normal first thing being haircuts, restaurants, etc
And others who are still inside.
Free country for both people
I can't help but laugh at all the people jumping right into "normality" as if that is even a possibility anymore. All I can really say without getting too mean is that I sincerely hope that y'all being irresponsible don't suffer through losing loved ones or getting yourselves hurt. Thank you for volunteering to be guinea pigs for the few states that are erring on the side of caution with regards to this ongoing pandemic.
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