Where do YOU go to college or went?

[einmusiker]

Exactly. As pointed out the name of the school you go to matters very little in the end. Ivy league compared to *blank* state school. The pay difference will never make up the cost difference.

The most important thing is Degree, GPA and then very far down on the list School.

For example take UT, Texas Tech, University of Houston, A&M and Rice and lets look at their engineering programs and people come out of them.
As far as prestige goes Rice I would put on top. UofH I would put on the bottom of the list of those 5 schools. As far as average pay for the engineers comes out of each of the programs I can promise you they will all be about the the same.

I could put in UT Dallas in that list which I would put below U of H by a far margin in prestige. But I do not know if they offer all the engineers programs but of lets say EE the average pay come out of UT Dallas would be. OMG the same as the other 5 much more predigest.

All a school MIGHT and I mean MIGHT help you do is give you some extra network and bragging rights. Out side of that it does not matter. The degree matters the most, followed by GPA. Then WAY WAY down on the list is school name.

As some food for thought. How many of you know where your Doctor went to medical school, or you density went to school or any of those people. I am willing to bet most do not. I sure as hell do not nor do I give a damn. What I do care about is how good a job they do and the recommendation patients give and low and be hold that is what matters. Not were they go the degree from. Of all the doctors and density who have work on me I know of were my od my eye doctor. Both of which I only found long time after I was a patient. She went to more of a no name school only the locals really know about yet she is highly recommended by people around here.

anyone that went to a no-name school will always make that argument, and will always be wrong...


I'm not saying that because I think its fair or just... it's just the way it is. Go check out the education of the fortune 500 ceo's. There will be your facts rather than just spouting opinion

 

[rhsgolfer33]

anyone that went to a no-name school will always make that argument, and will always be wrong...


I'm not saying that because I think its fair or just... it's just the way it is. Go check out the education of the fortune 500 ceo's. There will be your facts rather than just spouting opinion

Which still means nothing. Not everyone wants to be a Fortune 500 CEO, not everyone wants to go to HBS either. In many cases, an undergraduate degree from "no name" college will get you just as far as one from a top school; of course there are exceptions, but going to the best college you can afford should often be more of a priority than going to the best college you can get into.

In my experience, the name on your bachelors degree means very little for a lot of fields; the name on your graduate degree is what matters, particularly in the context of big business or big law (only 10% of S&P 500 CEOs attended an Ivy League school for their undergrad education; bet you wouldn't guess the University of Wisconsin has as many S&P 500 CEOs as Harvard). The list of where Fortune 50 CEOs went for undergrad isn't particularly impressive either. Even then, at top programs its not necessarily that the education or curriculum is that superior; in many fields you can learn the same thing at Harvard as you can at any state school, but you're not going to meet the same people there. A top school, especially in business, is as much about networking as it is about anything you'll learn there (lets look at it for what it is, the people HBS or Yale admits to their MBA programs are already excellent problem solvers and are already quite adept leaders).

I went to a "no name" school for undergrad, but I'll be at USC in the fall for my graduate work (partially because of the great networking opportunities mentioned above; also because its considered the top school in my area of study and I felt I could afford to attend as well.). I know more than a few students that have attended and are attending top schools in their field from the same "no name" school that I attended for my undergraduate work. What actually mattered during the application process? My test scores, my GPA, the excellent recommendations from professors who knew me personally, and my interview; the non-brand name of my school was really a non-factor in my experience.

 

[peapody]

Exactly. As pointed out the name of the school you go to matters very little in the end. Ivy league compared to *blank* state school. The pay difference will never make up the cost difference.

The most important thing is Degree, GPA and then very far down on the list School.

For example take UT, Texas Tech, University of Houston, A&M and Rice and lets look at their engineering programs and people come out of them.
As far as prestige goes Rice I would put on top. UofH I would put on the bottom of the list of those 5 schools. As far as average pay for the engineers comes out of each of the programs I can promise you they will all be about the the same.

I could put in UT Dallas in that list which I would put below U of H by a far margin in prestige. But I do not know if they offer all the engineers programs but of lets say EE the average pay come out of UT Dallas would be. OMG the same as the other 5 much more predigest.

All a school MIGHT and I mean MIGHT help you do is give you some extra network and bragging rights. Out side of that it does not matter. The degree matters the most, followed by GPA. Then WAY WAY down on the list is school name.

As some food for thought. How many of you know where your Doctor went to medical school, or you density went to school or any of those people. I am willing to bet most do not. I sure as hell do not nor do I give a damn. What I do care about is how good a job they do and the recommendation patients give and low and be hold that is what matters. Not were they go the degree from. Of all the doctors and density who have work on me I know of were my od my eye doctor. Both of which I only found long time after I was a patient. She went to more of a no name school only the locals really know about yet she is highly recommended by people around here.

I would still like to see the research or at least keywords in google.

As for the medical profession....
Specialist and general practitioner..you know there is a difference in their training and education.

 

[einmusiker]

Which still means nothing. Not everyone wants to be a Fortune 500 CEO, not everyone wants to go to HBS either. In many cases, an undergraduate degree from "no name" college will get you just as far as one from a top school; of course there are exceptions, but going to the best college you can afford should often be more of a priority than going to the best college you can get into.

In my experience, the name on your bachelors degree means very little for a lot of fields; the name on your graduate degree is what matters, particularly in the context of big business or big law (only 10% of S&P 500 CEOs attended an Ivy League school for their undergrad education; bet you wouldn't guess the University of Wisconsin has as many S&P 500 CEOs as Harvard). The list of where Fortune 50 CEOs went for undergrad isn't particularly impressive either. Even then, at top programs its not necessarily that the education or curriculum is that superior; in many fields you can learn the same thing at Harvard as you can at any state school, but you're not going to meet the same people there. A top school, especially in business, is as much about networking as it is about anything you'll learn there (lets look at it for what it is, the people HBS or Yale admits to their MBA programs are already excellent problem solvers and are already quite adept leaders).

I went to a "no name" school for undergrad, but I'll be at USC in the fall for my graduate work (partially because of the great networking opportunities mentioned above; also because its considered the top school in my area of study and I felt I could afford to attend as well.). I know more than a few students that have attended and are attending top schools in their field from the same "no name" school that I attended for my undergraduate work. What actually mattered during the application process? My test scores, my GPA, the excellent recommendations from professors who knew me personally, and my interview; the non-brand name of my school was really a non-factor in my experience.

1. UW-Madison is a big name school
2. You're proving my point. I agree grad school IS more important than undergrad. And you're going to a big name grad school

 

[Rodimus Prime]

I would still like to see the research or at least keywords in google.

As for the medical profession....
Specialist and general practitioner..you know there is a difference in their training and education.

And I ask the question again. How many people know where either went to school and got there degree from? I know most people do not know do they really care. The most important thing is they have Dr. and they are board certified. School falls way down on the list of things they are looking for.

 

[Queso]

Some time ago now, but I went to Loughborough University in the UK to study B.Eng(Hons) Civil Engineering. It's what we call here a "red-brick" university, meaning it's not exactly Oxbridge but still has an international reputation.

 

[bern1812]

Miami University - Computer Science. 2 Years left

 

[stonyc]

Went to Kalamazoo College for a BA in Biology (almost had a major in religion too).

Going to the University of Michigan now for a MSc in Bioinformatics.

Applying to PhD programs for next fall (gawd I hate writing personal statements)... applying to these schools (but would really like to get into the ones in bold): Michigan, University of Chicago, Columbia, UPenn, North Carolina, Duke, Stanford, Berkeley/UCSF (the have a joint program), UCLA, UCSD. Well, I think that's my final list for now...

 

[63dot]

What can I say? You have fantastic taste!

But while it was the right school for me, maybe it's not the right place for the next guy/gal. Fortunately my wife looks *great* in burnt orange!

Guess what, I am from California, and a 49ers fan. My family are all Cal, or at least University of California (fill in the blank) or Cal State. I am a Democrat and I don't like George W. (you know who) or the (family and horses they rode in on).

However, even though I know my state has the second best regular season/post season football team streak/dynasty, it still behind America's team, meaning, behind the freakin' Dallas Cowboys. And for public colleges, I also know that Cal has resorted to using temps (TAs really) to teach undergrad classes while Texas has drawn talent from all over the world and is arguably the most well rounded public university. It pains me to say this.

California, before a Governor whose name I won't mention on this thread, once had one of the best funded and largest nest egg for public education. It was a protected asset. We have been surpassed by SUNY (nation's richest and largest) and the public college system of Texas (second richest and biggest).

So I am no fan of Texas or their color choice in uniforms, but they became the richest, proudest, most connected, and fastest growing public university system in the United States and that's why I consider them the best. It's just not education, but also the administration, deep pockets of alumni who are generous, and an ability to work with state government to meet your budget and exceed expectations.

Y'all in Texas need to bring those administrators over her to Cali to help our dour system out in Sacramento.

 

[63dot]

And I ask the question again. How many people know where either went to school and got there degree from? I know most people do not know do they really care. The most important thing is they have Dr. and they are board certified. School falls way down on the list of things they are looking for.

Man, I am reaching that age where they stick a you know what up your your know what to check for cancer. I won't be concerned where the doc went, only that the procedure won't hurt and hope they have small hands.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

anyone that went to a no-name school will always make that argument, and will always be wrong...


I'm not saying that because I think its fair or just... it's just the way it is. Go check out the education of the fortune 500 ceo's. There will be your facts rather than just spouting opinion

And I will say CEO do not matter in this agrument because by that logic I could say college degrees to not matter because of both SJ and Bill Gates a long with some others.

CEO are the exception to every rule.
The name on a college gives you one thing and that is networking and it will help you get your foot in the door because you can use alumina to get your name put on the interview list. After that the name of the college is just a name on a piece of paper.

Also average pay of everyone does not matter. Do Ivy leagues on average make more for the same degree. Yes they do but it is not that much more and sure as hell not enough more to justify the cost. We are talking about less than 5% difference. 5% will never justify the 6 figure debt difference.

Ask me why I choose Texas Tech over UT and A&M which I could of gone both of those. The answer is UT was 2 big and A&M was a cult. Neither school was a good fit for me so I choose Texas Tech which was a good fit for me.

 

[eawmp1]

I would still like to see the research or at least keywords in google.

As for the medical profession....
Specialist and general practitioner..you know there is a difference in their training and education.

Yeah...one limits focus to a specific organ sytem, and one studies the entire person. A good Internal Medicine doc should be able to manage with extreme competency 95% or more of the illnesses you will ever have. He or she will refer when more specialized/specific care is needed. Bypassing a generalist often gets one into trouble with incorrect diagnoses an inappropriate testing by the organ-centric specialist.

 

[mattcube64]

I will be starting my senior year this August at the University of Missouri. I'm a strategic communication major in the journalism school.

I hope to either work inside a large ad agency contracted by different video game publishers, or within the marketing department of said publishers.

Wish me luck!

 

[EzhnoWolf]

Finished my BA at Simon Fraser University (Vancouver, Canada).

Heading to the London School of Economics for my MSc this fall!

 

[0098386]

Tameside College, Manchester University (another red brick, didn't want to move far from home ) and University of Salford. Awaiting my acceptance from another at the moment.

 

[peapody]

And I ask the question again. How many people know where either went to school and got there degree from? I know most people do not know do they really care. The most important thing is they have Dr. and they are board certified. School falls way down on the list of things they are looking for.

That is to the general public looking at family practitioners. But when you go specialist for lets say oncology - you would go to a Johns Hopkins or Stanford Grad obviously over a Ross University Grad. So yes.. school matters. You're whole argument would imply that Rankings are a complete and utter waste of time. To that I ask - why are there whole departments and politics and initiatives to increase statures of schools? A Hopkins clinician makes much much much more than a staff Dr. at a community hospital. In that point, your generalization is incorrect.

Furthermore, do you have research or keywords for me?

 

[redking31591]

I currently attend Tulane University, part of the Southern Ivies, only school to go from public to private, member of the AAU.

 

[rhsgolfer33]

1. UW-Madison is a big name school
2. You're proving my point. I agree grad school IS more important than undergrad. And you're going to a big name grad school

Then I guess we agree. The response I quoted was fairly general and was your post in response to Rodius Prime's post that referenced quite a bit about undergraduate institution as well as graduate institution not mattering and you claimed that name mattered, so I wasn't 100% sure where you stood based on that quote.

However, I don't particularly agree with coming to the conclusion that the name of a school matters by looking at how many CEOs of top companies top schools produce. There are plenty of MBA students, even at top schools, who's goal isn't to head a Fortune 500 company; a MBA will help you on numerous career paths that don't end with you at the top of a Fortune 500 company.

Indeed, UW is a big name school, but its not a big name business school (for either graduate or undergraduate). Its ranked 27th in the US News rankings for graduate and 37th for undergrad programs in BusinessWeek's rankings. UW isn't considered to be one of the elite schools in the business arena, yet there are as many S&P 500 CEOs from UW undergrad as there are from Harvard undergrad. I just thought it was quite surprising is all.

Honestly, in my field, the name of any school you attend isn't particularly important for either graduate or undergraduate degrees. Once you have a CPA license, that becomes the credential you reference and your degree and where you earned it mean a lot less. The major difference is the ease of recruiting for jobs from a top program (the firms show up on campus often versus you needing to be more proactive at a smaller school) and the networking opportunities.

That is to the general public looking at family practitioners. But when you go specialist for lets say oncology - you would go to a Johns Hopkins or Stanford Grad obviously over a Ross University Grad. So yes.. school matters. You're whole argument would imply that Rankings are a complete and utter waste of time. To that I ask - why are there whole departments and politics and initiatives to increase statures of schools? A Hopkins clinician makes much much much more than a staff Dr. at a community hospital. In that point, your generalization is incorrect.

Really? Because I haven't the slightest clue where any of my general practitioners or specialists went to school. Neither do my parents or grandparents and they've had numerous more difficult procedures than I have. You go to a good hospital because good doctors presumably work their, you don't usually ask for their resume once you're there; for all I know the doctors my family has seen could have graduate from medical school at Unknown School in China.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

That is to the general public looking at family practitioners. But when you go specialist for lets say oncology - you would go to a Johns Hopkins or Stanford Grad obviously over a Ross University Grad. So yes.. school matters. You're whole argument would imply that Rankings are a complete and utter waste of time. To that I ask - why are there whole departments and politics and initiatives to increase statures of schools? A Hopkins clinician makes much much much more than a staff Dr. at a community hospital. In that point, your generalization is incorrect.

Furthermore, do you have research or keywords for me?

http://jobs.aol.com/articles/2009/01/26/what-does-an-ivy-league-degree-get-you/

Again I never said Ivy do not make more money. I said that the amount extra they make will never justify how much more they cost.

Also again I will point out most people who go see a specialist will not care were they go their degree from. They care about board certification, Dr. and down on the list their track record. School is not going to be the top pick there. If some one chooses a doctor only based on school or that is near the top of the list they are an idiot.

Again provide me proof that say that Ivy make so much more on average that they justify the extra 6 figure cost difference in what you have to pay to go there.

 

[jsf8x]

University of Virginia

 

[einmusiker]

And I ask the question again. How many people know where either went to school and got there degree from? I know most people do not know do they really care. The most important thing is they have Dr. and they are board certified. School falls way down on the list of things they are looking for.

and mcdonalds serves billions every year

I know where my physicians and dentists wrote their degrees. In fact, education is the first thing I look for whenever I hire someone to do anything for me, save scrub my toilet

http://jobs.aol.com/articles/2009/01/26/what-does-an-ivy-league-degree-get-you/

Again I never said Ivy do not make more money. I said that the amount extra they make will never justify how much more they cost.

Also again I will point out most people who go see a specialist will not care were they go their degree from. They care about board certification, Dr. and down on the list their track record. School is not going to be the top pick there. If some one chooses a doctor only based on school or that is near the top of the list they are an idiot.

Again provide me proof that say that Ivy make so much more on average that they justify the extra 6 figure cost difference in what you have to pay to go there.

ok, your numbers are off. You mentioned UW MAdison. Undergrad tuition and expenses for out-of-state students is estimated at about 37k per year. Undergrad tuition and expenses at Princeton is estimated at 46k annual. Thats a difference of 9k annually, or 36k over a typical 4-year degree. Where is this 6-figure cost difference you speak of?

 

[bamaworks]

Eastern Kentucky University undergrad then University of Kentucky postgrad. Fine academic institutions, both of which I would recommend to anyone.

 

[einmusiker]

Then I guess we agree. The response I quoted was fairly general and was your post in response to Rodius Prime's post that referenced quite a bit about undergraduate institution as well as graduate institution not mattering and you claimed that name mattered, so I wasn't 100% sure where you stood based on that quote.

However, I don't particularly agree with coming to the conclusion that the name of a school matters by looking at how many CEOs of top companies top schools produce. There are plenty of MBA students, even at top schools, who's goal isn't to head a Fortune 500 company; a MBA will help you on numerous career paths that don't end with you at the top of a Fortune 500 company.

Indeed, UW is a big name school, but its not a big name business school (for either graduate or undergraduate). Its ranked 27th in the US News rankings for graduate and 37th for undergrad programs in BusinessWeek's rankings. UW isn't considered to be one of the elite schools in the business arena, yet there are as many S&P 500 CEOs from UW undergrad as there are from Harvard undergrad. I just thought it was quite surprising is all.

Honestly, in my field, the name of any school you attend isn't particularly important for either graduate or undergraduate degrees. Once you have a CPA license, that becomes the credential you reference and your degree and where you earned it mean a lot less. The major difference is the ease of recruiting for jobs from a top program (the firms show up on campus often versus you needing to be more proactive at a smaller school) and the networking opportunities.



Really? Because I haven't the slightest clue where any of my general practitioners or specialists went to school. Neither do my parents or grandparents and they've had numerous more difficult procedures than I have. You go to a good hospital because good doctors presumably work their, you don't usually ask for their resume once you're there; for all I know the doctors my family has seen could have graduate from medical school at Unknown School in China.

ok, fair enough last time I looked at B-school ranking UW was in the top 15 but that was over 4 years ago I'll admit.

And I don't see much difference between being selective about your hospital's ranking and being selective about your physician's education, but maybe that's just me

 

[Rodimus Prime]

ok, your numbers are off. You mentioned UW MAdison. Undergrad tuition and expenses for out-of-state students is estimated at about 37k per year. Undergrad tuition and expenses at Princeton is estimated at 46k annual. Thats a difference of 9k annually, or 36k over a typical 4-year degree. Where is this 6-figure cost difference you speak of?

You are using out of state numbers sorry not a good idea.. Using instate numbers for state schools then translated it. For example instate cost with living expense works out to be $15k per year and I know for a fact that that real world number of $15k per year is on the high side but it is about what my parents were paying for me with everything include with thing like insurance and little extra spending money for me. So most people that number would be lower.

$46k - 15k = $35k more per year * 4 = $140k more debt for Ivy league compared to a State school.

 

[einmusiker]

You are using out of state numbers sorry not a good idea.. Using instate numbers for state schools then translated it. For example instate cost with living expense works out to be $15k per year and I know for a fact that that real world number of $15k per year is on the high side but it is about what my parents were paying for me with everything include with thing like insurance and little extra spending money for me. So most people that number would be lower.

$46k - 15k = $35k more per year * 4 = $140k more debt for Ivy league compared to a State school.

you assume everyone who goes to college takes on debt