Where is cheaper in Europe?

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  1. macovod macrumors newbie

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    the US price is usually withhout or with a lower VAT - so it's not a fair comparison. add another 20% to those € 2354. the still missing €300 then is just apple screwing us over. but you could also buy the imac in the US, pay 20% import tax, get a european power cord and keyboard and still save €100-200, depending on shipping costs.

    or have a company and then get back the VAT via reverse charge.
     
  3. weckart macrumors 68040

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    You will need to add VAT to any US price. Prices in US$ are always shown net of local and federal sales taxes which vary from state to state.

    The equivalent in Hungary is 1.025.590Ft. Less Hungarian VAT at 27% (ouch!) this is 807.551Ft, which is approx $3000. You are paying $300 approx more than in the US but have better consumer protection than Americans would. Prices in other EU countries will probably either be around this or in between this and the US price.
     
  4. Stefan johansson macrumors 65816

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    Not just VAT,in many countries in Europe there also is an environment fee on home electronics.
     
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    Ok, thank u. Who body knows where I can buy cheap (online store)? : ) Preferably in Hungary or Poland
     
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    As its clearly an Apple product,only places might be Apple resellers,and they most likely has the same price policy as Apple web store.
     
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    Are you buying for company or as private person?
    As specs are not complete please let us know whole spec. RAM, SSD, which keyboard, trackpad, mouse etc.
    Can you pay by wire transfer or CC (credit card)?
     
  8. weckart macrumors 68040

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    If you want a customised spec, like your example above with a faster CPU and an SSD instead of a 2TB Fusion drive, your only real option is Apple Hungary. Most online retailers only have standard spec models.

    Your best chance of an online discount might be Amazon (Germany or UK) if either will ship to Hungary. VAT in Poland is higher than either Germany or UK, so the prices from their online dealers will most likely not be lower.
     
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    Can you be more specific, please?
     
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    thank u
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    omg
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    Convert HUF to USD = 3 844.53 USD (in Apple Hungary) O_O in USA $2699
     
  11. weckart macrumors 68040

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    Hungarian prices include 27% VAT. US prices do not include local and federal sales taxes. So there is no OMG.
     
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    Where do you live? I know it might not be the advice you are looking for a but a friend recently found a round trip to Dubai for about 150€, he found a 50€ hotel and flew there, got a top of the line touch bar Macbook Pro, the new Apple Watch, some AirPods and he ended up saving about 500€ (with the flight included) than buying them in his own country.

    This is mainly because Dubai is tax-free
     
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    Switzerland has 8% VAT and competitive prices.
    That configuration = 3039 CHF (incl. 8% VAT), which translates into 2762€.

    But you will have to smuggle it into your home country or else you'll have to pay 21% VAT, which would result in a price of about 3250€, 3741 USD (in Hungary).
    The gentlemen who bought in Dubai probably also skipped this step.

    Smuggling probably works better with iPhones and Watches than a 27" iMac....
     
  14. weckart macrumors 68040

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    Hungary has 27% VAT. :eek: I think there would be rioting in the streets here, if the government tried to levy that rate.
     
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    Hong Kong is cheap, but that's a bit far isn't it.;)

    Seriously, it is a LOT cheaper in Hong Kong, a 15" MBP is €500-600 cheaper, for me it would be easy to 'smuggle' it into my country, I fly to my neighbour country (Not far away), no need to pay tax there since I am not living there, then just go home, there is no border.
     
  17. Mikael H macrumors 6502

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    ”Cheating” the system is one hell of a lot easier with portable stuff like laptops, tablets, or phones: Buy the gear, scan/take a snap of the receipt for potential warranty reasons, do an initial install/initialization of the system, and ditch the packaging before crossing the border. The risk of getting caught with unpacked and used gear is pretty much zero.
    It does get slightly less inconspicuous if you try to do the same with a 27” iMac as per the OP.
     
  18. weckart macrumors 68040

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    Where do you get the 6% from? Computers and software attract zero customs duty within the EU. All you will pay is VAT and possibly a handling fee if you import by post.
     
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    That post has probably been repeated a million times, and will have to be repeated another million times. Some people don't seem to understand basic facts of life.

    USA: Prices are advertised without sales tax. Customers actually pay more than the advertised price.

    EU: Prices are advertised including VAT, which is usually at least 20%. Apple hands that money straight to the tax office. Apple also has more cost because consumer protection laws are much more consumer friendly than in the USA, which doesn't come for free.
     
  20. Mikael H macrumors 6502

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    You know, you’re entirely right. Sorry for that piece of misinformation.
     
  21. evangw macrumors regular

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    Yeah, ironically Switzerland usually has the lowest prices for Apple products in Europe, and it is usually only marginally higher than in the US after considering taxes. Also are you, or someone you are close to, a student or working at a university? You can get a ±10% discount (once per year per "type" of computer). With a school discount, your computer seems to be 2850 CHF (€2561) in Switzerland. It'd be ±€2900 in Austria, €2920 in Belgium, ±€3000 in Ireland, etc.

    So, up to you if it's worth it to take a Flixbus all the way to Zurich for the €300 that it saves you versus going to Vienna. You'd need to take the first Flixbus back, since staying overnight in Zurich would immediately eat up 50% of your savings ;). Buying in Hungary is insane though, at the very least take a bus/train to Austria and get it there. That's probably the most practical solution to save €1000.
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    Actually there is an OMG. Did you translate what 1,000,000 Forint is into USD? It's like $3900 which is barely even halfway explained by the 27% VAT.
     
  22. weckart macrumors 68040

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    Yes I did and also addressed the discrepancy. Did you bother reading this thread and my earlier replies? It seems not.
     
  23. paulCC macrumors member

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    That is incorrect information - when you fly into a neighboring EU country, they will collect VAT on the imported goods. If you do not declare it, you might face fines.
     
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    Can you link me to such rules/laws/tax collecting.
     

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