Thats why I was hoping GregR could give a link to the chart. That way we could think of more plausible configurations based on things we know.
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iPod touch Which iPod touch 4G configuration is going to happen?
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Thats why I was hoping GregR could give a link to the chart. That way we could think of more plausible configurations based on things we know.
Yes sir. I will update this post with a link to the topic I will make of the component list.
EDIT: here ya go. (there is also another one more recently on the thread.(AND BOTH TIMES PEOPLE IGNORED MY LIST!!
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https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=10616765&#post10616765
EDIT: here ya go. (there is also another one more recently on the thread.(AND BOTH TIMES PEOPLE IGNORED MY LIST!!
)https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=10616765&#post10616765
I wish people would stop saying that feature XYZ can't be in the iPod touch because Apple already offers the iPhone.
I'm sorry, but not everyone can afford the insane monthly fees asked by the phone companies. Even with the higher cost of smartphones in Canada, a pre-paid "dumb" cellphone can cost as low as 8$ per month.
If you ask me, the iPod touch needs to have as many features as it can, to make sure applications can take advantage of all the iDevices, not just the oh-so-precious iPhone.
One such feature is GPS, even if only for Apple itself. Remember iAds? Imagine Apple being able to say that all new iPod touch 4 owners can have targeted ads based on location. That means a higher cost per ad since the advertisers knows their ads will be viewed by people in the targeted physical area.
The compass could probably be used with the ads too. Imagine the ad knows you're very close to the business it is advertising and can help you find it with "turn left/right" voice feedback.
Given the cost of the parts needed to add all those features to the iPod touch, there's no reason not to. No matter how big the gap between the features of the iPhone and the iPod touch, some of us will never, ever buy an iPhone. Blame the carriers.
I'm sorry, but not everyone can afford the insane monthly fees asked by the phone companies. Even with the higher cost of smartphones in Canada, a pre-paid "dumb" cellphone can cost as low as 8$ per month.
If you ask me, the iPod touch needs to have as many features as it can, to make sure applications can take advantage of all the iDevices, not just the oh-so-precious iPhone.
One such feature is GPS, even if only for Apple itself. Remember iAds? Imagine Apple being able to say that all new iPod touch 4 owners can have targeted ads based on location. That means a higher cost per ad since the advertisers knows their ads will be viewed by people in the targeted physical area.
The compass could probably be used with the ads too. Imagine the ad knows you're very close to the business it is advertising and can help you find it with "turn left/right" voice feedback.
Given the cost of the parts needed to add all those features to the iPod touch, there's no reason not to. No matter how big the gap between the features of the iPhone and the iPod touch, some of us will never, ever buy an iPhone. Blame the carriers.
Yes sir. I will update this post with a link to the topic I will make of the component list.
EDIT: here ya go. (there is also another one more recently on the thread.(AND BOTH TIMES PEOPLE IGNORED MY LIST!!
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=10616765&#post10616765
Great! Thanks for this.
$142.15 is what I calculated (given a 3GS camera, $15 for 512 RAM [thats a complete guess], and 64GB. If Apple charged $299 for this, then how could they not make money? And yes, these numbers may or may not be 100% accurate, but they are likely good enough for estimation.
I completely get this, and I hope you're right about it.
I am someone who got really wanted an iPhone, but I just can't justify the monthly bill. And as you pointed out, there are much cheaper cellphone alternatives out there. Mine actually costs $6.66 a month! ($20 every 90 days).
So the iPod touch is looking real good to me. I hope they don't skimp on features and treat it like a poor man's iPhone. I had when the Touch is referred to in that way.
That may be true but many fewer people will buy the iPhone if the Touch is essentially an iPhone without the phone. Apple makes much more money off the iPhone (with subsidies) and would be crazy to try to sell a Touch instead of an iPhone. Also, until the Touch gets serious competition, they will still sell well even though they may not have everything the iPhone has.
Great! Thanks for this.
$142.15 is what I calculated (given a 3GS camera, $15 for 512 RAM [thats a complete guess], and 64GB. If Apple charged $299 for this, then how could they not make money? And yes, these numbers may or may not be 100% accurate, but they are likely good enough for estimation.
Just coming up with a cost of $142.15 doesn't do it if the third gen cost was much less. Also, the China manufacturing cost, shipping cost, etc. have greatly increased.
I think that a better calculation is to figure out the total cost difference between the third gen built last year and the third gen built this year. Essentially, that is the cost savings that you have to work with to add functionality to the third gen (i.e. build a forth gen) and keep cost the same. I'm also assuming that the new processor, RAM (512G), and display (Retina) are all more expensive then the parts used in the third gen.
The only place I can see to get some cost savings is maybe the flash. What is the 32G flash price difference between last year and this year ?
I really don't think they compete much at all. People who want an iPhone, want an iPhone. They want 3G internet access wherever they are. They want all their devices in one (phone, pda, music player, game machine). People who get an iPhone are either used to, or are ready to pay the monthly bill. It's honestly no different than any smart phone. And a good number of people can get a FAN discount thru their company, bringing their phone bill even lower. So it's not a matter of that.
People who want an iPod touch either already have a phone they are content with, or maybe the phone part isn't even on their radar. They want an iPod, like most people do, but the idea of playing games and having Wifi on it appeals to them.
I'm just saying, if the iPhone disappeared, I don't think it would mean more sales for the iPod touch, people would just move to a different smartphone.
And if the iPod touch disappeared, people wouldn't go buy iPhones instead. They'd just opt for another music player / pda hybrid.
I know they look similar, are pretty much the same size, run the same OS, share apps, and share a lot of functionality, but I really don't think one affects the sales of the other in any significant way.
Dude I tell you a secret- Apple just can't make the ipod to distinguish itself from iphone! For them it's easier to make like cheaper version of iphone put a crappy chrome back and sell it half the price or cheaper which of course is enough to make you buy it because there is nothing to compete with it on the market! That's not our fault, not apple's fault, they make money the easier way they can!! If you ask me the iphone must be more like a business phone and ipod must be for fun and stuff like that- entertainment! Let's say the ipod gets a bigger display but not an a4 chip or maybe no rear facing camera just front facing to make it good for face time and stuff! The idea is that the ipod must have something that the iphone doesn't and the other way around! I honestly think that they'll find the right way when some of the other companies stop sitting on their a**es
This is an absolutely excellent point. Ads will be much more expensive, but how much would the GPS components cost?
This is true. But apparently they would like to charge $399 for it. It would probably be like..... $110 for a 16GB. Which is just an guess. A $90 profit? Minuus work and shipping and such be thatd still be a nice profit.
So you say they'll get a $90 profit even if the base model has some expected 4G features? I might just reconsider my lineup, then, if this is true.
REVISED LINEUP:
4G/4G/4G
$199/$299/$399
16gb/32gb/64gb
Definitely the retina, the gyro, a4 and a camera or two. Cant comment on price because I cant be bothered converting the USD to NZD
Apple can just look at the address on your iTunes user account and tell the advertisers what general area you live in.
The calculated ipod is a 32 GB (not including labor and shipping). Prices may have gone up or down as well...
I think the parts are too expensive.... Sorta. They could still maintain a nice profit even with all the 4G components. But i think theyll want a larger profit than that, so i think all that will be in the base model is the cameras, at least the back one, and the redesign.
If this is so, i think i'll just get a 3G.
I think the parts are too expensive.... Sorta. They could still maintain a nice profit even with all the 4G components. But i think theyll want a larger profit than that, so i think all that will be in the base model is the cameras, at least the back one, and the redesign.
Are you kidding me? You have been posting on a rumors site about the Ipod touch 4g for months, and you aren't goingto even buy one?!?!?!?!?
I think the parts are too expensive.... Sorta. They could still maintain a nice profit even with all the 4G components. But i think theyll want a larger profit than that, so i think all that will be in the base model is the cameras, at least the back one, and the redesign.
I don't think they're gonna redesign the lower-model, if it's still going to be the G3 hardware inside the G4 body.
With that in mind, I don't think they're gonna put a camera in the G3 version, even if the design is the same. I remember one site saying that iPod Nano barely fit the G3 design, and the 3GS didn't work out.
In conclusion, the lower-model will be like the current model, but with a small capacity. It hurts, but it's the most probable tactic Apple will take.
Cool. What about all the maps and such?
I thought somebody would bring this up. Honestly, too me, the updates arent really a big deal. The only thing that really interests me is the redisign. Theyre cool and everything, but i dont really have a need for them.
I personally thing the additions warrant an upgrade. I'm going off the fact I'm still in the first generation though. I would have upgraded last year for a camera, but this year is looking promising.
128 Ram -> 512 Ram
Faster processor
Camera(s)
Bluetooth and a speaker (I know, but I don't have them)
I personally thing the additions warrant an upgrade. I'm going off the fact I'm still in the first generation though. I would have upgraded last year for a camera, but this year is looking promising.
128 Ram -> 512 Ram
Faster processor
Camera(s)
Bluetooth and a speaker (I know, but I don't have them)
I agree with you. The almost guaranteed addition of a camera is enough of an upgrade for most people, I think. Plus, the retina display is pretty much an epic addition that seems fairly likely.
What's not to love about upgrading?
I think that the retina display and the A4 are definitely realistic predictions. Basing off of the recent news, a front facing VGA camera is likely to exist with the (imo inevitable) inclusion of Facetime. Apple generally increases battery life, so that's possible. 3G is definitely, in my opinion, not going to come in this iteration or any future versions of iPod touch line. The design will be interesting to see as the iPhone 4 design will be incredibly difficult to pull of seeing how thin it already is....any thinner will incur fragility factors and such. I think the 8GB will be phased out in lieu of a 16GB third gen model or perhaps even a new model if the cost is put down further.
Yes, A4 and retina are fairly inevitable. A camera is, as well.
I think that in order for facetime to be complete, they'll add a rear camera, too (I have no idea for about megapixels). I can see the keynote now: after showing the front of the iPod and the front facing camera and talking about facetime, Jobs will say "But wait. On the back of the iPod, we managed to fit another camera so... blah blah blah..." He'd probably say it better than me, but you get the picture.
Battery life comes with the A4.
3G: nevar!!!
I think the design will be iPad-ish.
16GB seems likely to me.
Yes, A4 and retina are fairly inevitable. A camera is, as well.
I think that in order for facetime to be complete, they'll add a rear camera, too (I have no idea for about megapixels). I can see the keynote now: after showing the front of the iPod and the front facing camera and talking about facetime, Jobs will say "But wait. On the back of the iPod, we managed to fit another camera so... blah blah blah..." He'd probably say it better than me, but you get the picture.
Battery life comes with the A4.
3G: nevar!!!
I think the design will be iPad-ish.
16GB seems likely to me.
Facetime, likely. Second camera, not so sure...