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I think it's the other way around:
  • 14-inch MacBook Pro has 8,040 miniLEDs spread across 2,010 local dimming zones,
  • 12.9-inch iPad Pro has 10,384 miniLEDs spread across 2,596 local dimming zones
My mistake, I took the very blocky dimming in the picture to mean the iPad had very few dimming zones. On further reading, you're right the iPad Pro has more dimming zones. However, the blooming effect is much worse on the iPad Pro for some reason (presumably due to the specific details of the dimming algorithm), and I can certainly tell you that on an M2 MBP 14" I recently had for a while, I saw only very minimal blooming, almost unnoticeable and definitely not at all bothersome, in complete contrast to the drastic blooming seen in the image you linked.

Here's one example report: https://www.macrumors.com/2021/10/28/macbook-pro-display-blooming-reports/

A quick Google search shows it's widely reported that the blooming on the M1 iPad Pro was way worse than the 14" MBP.

They may also have improved things from the M1 to M2 MBP generations, along with other improvements made to the display (e.g. the response time).
 
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so the shadow-details in the image gets very dark and hard to make out (you may have noticed)
I actually didn't notice this during the couple of weeks I had an M2 MBP 14" - do you have examples? I had a quick look around for some but couldn't find any.
 
Combine both innovations, and you're going to see the perfect OLED in laptops and tablets. The new problem will be price, but of course that will come down in time.
Yes very good news indeed. MicroLED is also in the pipeline. MiniLED on the MBP 14" is already extremely good to my eyes, but who wouldn't be happy with less blooming and better shadow detail, along with reduced burn-in and higher brightness... :)
 
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Lol - I’m certainly not acting like that, and I indeed uderstood; your thoughts are narrow minded, and irrational towards the group, we all have our views and opinion so please respect that! Your arguments are poorly based, and not based on fact or merit.
First of all, why are you replying this to me “12 minutes ago” by editing a 5 hour old comment? Who does that?

Second of all, I’m the only one here basing my arguments with technical data and examples.

Thirdly, I never made any comments or arguments against you. I was addressing another person entirely, and you, the complete Mr Bean, inserted yourself in my way and claim foul. You’re being unjust. I simply explained to someone why the 15-inch Air has its audience. Why is that so offensive to you? Why aren’t you able to comprehend simple commentary? Everybody else is able to follow along so please catch up.

And may your next reply to me be a new message instead of an edit to a previous comment made half a day ago.
 
First of all, why are you replying this to me “12 minutes ago” by editing a 5 hour old comment? Who does that?

Second of all, I’m the only one here basing my arguments with technical data and examples.

Thirdly, I never made any comments or arguments against you. I was addressing another person entirely, and you, the complete Mr Bean, inserted yourself in my way and claim foul. You’re being unjust. I simply explained to someone why the 15-inch Air has its audience. Why is that so offensive to you? Why aren’t you able to comprehend simple commentary? Everybody else is able to follow along so please catch up.

And may your next reply to me be a new message instead of an edit to a previous comment made half a day ago.
sorry I was on my small iPhone and had some typos I needed to fix. Nevertheless, which machine do YOU prefer? the MBP or 15 air?
 
I’m sorry, but anyone who thinks that the blooming on the IPP is a non issue has never used one in the dark (which is a common use case, unlike a laptop). I found it so distracting that I downgraded to an M1 11” - the thing was also heavy af compared to the 2018 IPP (the difference is minor on paper but for a device you sometimes want to hold in one hand it decidedly is not).

As far as blooming on the M1 MBPs, maybe it’s there and maybe it’s just as bad - but the only thing I’ve ever noticed about the screen from my use cases are how gorgeous it is.
 
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Please, I own the 16” M1 Max MBP and M2 MBA. With the M2 MBA, the entire screen is blooming.

The entire screen has a “grey glow” on the M2 MBA while the 16” MBP has blacks that are so good, you cannot even see the notch if there is a black bar.

Besides, the 14” M1 Pro MBP goes for $1400 these days with more RAM and bigger + faster SSD.
I'm not quite sure what you're saying or advocating for. I'm considering both the 16 M1 and the 15 MBA. Can you clarify which you prefer and why?
 
I'm not quite sure what you're saying or advocating for. I'm considering both the 16 M1 and the 15 MBA. Can you clarify which you prefer and why?

Maybe this helps but the MBA screen is not capable of “true blacks” because the backlight shines across the entire screen even when its displaying what should be total darkness. OLED screens in newer phones and the LED screens on the MBP actually turn off the pixels or backlights when displaying black color giving completely black colors because the screen is actually off wherever it should be black.

While this doesn’t mean someone should automatically like one over the other the quality of the screen on the pro is vastly superior in essentially every way almost everyone values with a higher refresh rate, peak brightness, and incredible colors and contrast (true blacks).
 
and the LED screens on the MBP actually turn off the pixels or backlights when displaying black color giving completely black colors because the screen is actually off wherever it should be black.
True but I would like to add some precision here—MacBook Pro cannot display true black pixels in the same dimming zone where there is any image, hence there is bright blooming around lit objects. This is important to consider, especially if doing critical work (like video editing, color grading, graphic design). It cannot give "completely black colors" if there is a single lit pixel in the same zone.

@dizmonk Here is an image that displays blooming on the various Apple devices. Chances are you will not find your MacBook Pro's blooming as pronounced as this image, because your eyes adjust differently than a digital camera would, and/or you will not be bothered by it, and/or your use case with a laptop may not involve macOS' dark mode settings or watching dark media.

Don't let me dissuade you from buying it, most people don't seem to care. But it's good to know before buying what the imperfections are and why.

almost everyone values with a higher refresh rate
Some more precision—the 2023's MacBook Pro's pixel response is 38 milliseconds—which is 4x too slow to properly show you an image at 120 frames per second.

To explain: This is the equivalent of me taking text, blurring it in photoshop 4x, printing it, then moving it across your face at 120 frames per second. Yes, I moved the image at 120 frames per second, which is smoother a movement than moving it across your face at 60 frames per second, but you could not read the text clearly because I blurred it beforehand.

Apple is selling MacBook Pro users a flawed display in terms of the 120Hz ProMotion feature. Imagery is being blurred which is the opposite intended effect Apple is selling, which is clarity in motion.

I believe Apple is not at fault because they have to prioritize the color accuracy on the MacBook Pro, and I believe pixel response has something to do with that (avoiding overshoot). I agree with Apple's prioritization because color is critical to professionals. I just can't help, when people try and sell the refresh rate on the MacBook Pro, to rebut that Apple is lying to us on that feature—but due to technicalities, they get away with it. Well isn't this what tech forums are for? To get into the details and clear things up?

We won't see true 120Hz refresh rate benefits (eg. clear text during motion) on a MacBook Pro until Apple get the pixel response at or below 8.3 milliseconds. When that happens, text and imagery will be super clear at 120Hz, making it easier to scan text during scrolling (important for knowledge workers and students) or play games with precision and fluidity, for example.

Where you can find true "ProMotion" is with iPhone models that have an OLED display because the response time is nearly instant, well below 8.3 milliseconds.

You know what MacBook Pro display feature betters it over the MacBook Air? The MacBook Pro will adjust to 48Hz during movies and TV shows that were shot at 24fps, which means a smooth and even 1:1 pulldown. Where as the MacBook Air has 3:2 pull down, a form of jitter (like a micro-stutter). The MacBook Pro displays movies in the frame rate the filmmakers intended. Tom Cruise running to the bomb will be viewed in cinematic motion, so I bet he would approve of the MacBook Pro display for watching the Mission Impossible series.

Every display and model in Apple's lineup has Pros and Cons. How much those Pros or Cons matter depends on your use case. I am not here to claim one is better than the other, so much as to help people understand what they are buying and if it matters to them personally. There are no absolutes here. Maybe when Apple introduces OLED to MacBook Pro, we can laugh at the MacBook Air, but until then, these displays are still very close for a majority of computing application.
 
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I don’t think it’s fair to say the displays are very close at all. That there are pros and cons doesnt mean the pro displays aren’t delivering significantly better contrast, colors, and frame rates.
 
I don’t think it’s fair to say the displays are very close at all. That there are pros and cons doesnt mean the pro displays aren’t delivering significantly better contrast, colors, and frame rates.
I was deliberate when I said, "these displays are still very close for a majority of computing application."

For example: both displays will show your regular macOS screen at 500 nits. To the MacBook Pro's credit, it will make exception and display HDR video at 1000 sustained nits (1600 nits peak). So if someone here edits HDR content, or views HDR content regularly, then that advantage will matter. Otherwise Air and Pro will both display macOS at 500 nits.

Colors
are the same on both M2 Air and MBP displays: both have DCI-P3 color space and 10-bit (1.07 billion colors).

Contrast is better on MBP in specific dark scenes and photos, but you must be ok with blooming being a distraction or interfering with color-critical edits. miniLED is a half-measure—it cannot display a true black pixel next to a white pixel, therefore it does not persuade people like me.

Frame rate—I already credited the variable refresh rate feature as great for movies, but the 120Hz feature is a sham and still displays blurry imagery—same as Air's 60Hz—so Air users aren't missing anything there.

Earlier you said, "I cant imagine settling for the screen on the 15 air when the 14pro exists"—this is why! Both displays are effectively the same for productivity, and unless your use case is molded to take advantage of what the MacBook Pro can do better, it is not worth the extra cost, or weight-per-inch, or the reduction in screen real estate when going from 15-inches to 14-inches.

In other words, this isn't an absolute "no brainer" decision. People should buy the one that sparks joy. Nobody here should be shamed or pressured or insulted into buying the MacBook Pro since it's advantages are quite niche or industry specific.
 
again, not a very thoughtful or supportive group, most everyone on this threat loves their 15" so will I. It was $400 cheaper for starters and form factor is much sexier than the 14 Pro IMO. I just don't need all those other feathers.
This is literally what I was saying at the start. I was defending the MacBook Air for people like myself and yourself, against the notion that it's a stupid purchase. You then quoted me and told me I was closed minded and made "bad arguments." A day later you turn around and echo my argument to other people.

Make it make sense.
 
A quick Google search shows it's widely reported that the blooming on the M1 iPad Pro was way worse than the 14" MBP.

They may also have improved things from the M1 to M2 MBP generations, along with other improvements made to the display (e.g. the response time).
I agree that the iPad Pro blooming is, I would say, 25-50% worse than on the M1 Pro MacBook Pro (2021). At least in my experience. I haven't seen any reports that blooming has improved in 2023 models.

I took some iPhone pictures of the iPad Pro screen here:

iPad 2.jpg

[Look how distracting the lights are with blooming going outside the letterbox, and the halo blooming inside people's faces, and around the baby's blanket]

and the MacBook Pro screen here:

MacBook Pro 1.jpg

[Reminds me of the Force Ghosts in Star Wars]

And a MacBook Pro video here [click the thumbnail to see the video]:


Not every darker scene is like this, but this scene is a perfect example of blooming inside people's faces when their bodies, hair, and surroundings are darker. And if you look at the video, you'll see that blooming trails people's movement, so "monitor ghosting" essentially.

To be fair and honest, my camera exposure is set in a way to capture this, and in real life, to my eyes, blooming is maybe 33-50% less severe, but I can still see it, it's there, I can't unsee it.

I understand your average person won't care. Heck, the average person can't tell one screen from another anyway. I'm the rare nitpicker.
 
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I agree that the iPad Pro blooming is, I would say, 25-50% worse than on the M1 Pro MacBook Pro (2021). At least in my experience. I haven't seen any reports that blooming has improved in 2023 models.

I took some iPhone pictures of the iPad Pro screen here:

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[Look how distracting the lights are with blooming going outside the letterbox, and the halo blooming inside people's faces, and around the baby's blanket]

and the MacBook Pro screen here:

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[Reminds me of the Force Ghosts in Star Wars]

And a MacBook Pro video here [click the thumbnail to see the video]:


Not every darker scene is like this, but this scene is a perfect example of blooming inside people's faces when their bodies, hair, and surroundings are darker. And if you look at the video, you'll see that blooming trails people's movement, so "monitor ghosting" essentially.

To be fair and honest, my camera exposure is set in a way to capture this, and in real life, to my eyes, blooming is maybe 33-50% less severe, but I can still see it, it's there, I can't unsee it.

I understand your average person won't care. Heck, the average person can't tell one screen from another anyway. I'm the rare nitpicker.
what movie and time? i only notice blooming when the timeline on the bottom is exposed, your screenshot is the first time i'm seeing blooming that bad.
 
what movie and time? i only notice blooming when the timeline on the bottom is exposed, your screenshot is the first time i'm seeing blooming that bad.
Apple TV+ Severance. Brightness at 100%, and the camera exposure set high. As I mentioned, it’s exaggerating the blooming because of camera exposure, but to my eyes it’s maybe half as visible to what the photos depict. if you watch the video I also included, that’s a closer representation to real life.

EDIT: Episode 6, "Hide and Seek." The scene starts at 28 minutes.
 
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Apple TV+ Severance. Brightness at 100%, and the camera exposure set high. As I mentioned, it’s exaggerating the blooming because of camera exposure, but to my eyes it’s maybe half as visible to what the photos depict. if you watch the video I also included, that’s a closer representation to real life.

EDIT: Episode 6, "Hide and Seek." The scene starts at 28 minutes.
Thank you for sharing these, very interesting to compare the blooming between the mac and the iPad. I know the camera exposure probably makes highlights it more than it might appear to the eyes, but this is still a very useful comparison.

I will say it's just barely enough for me to see clearly on a black screen with my M2 14" Mac. It's not necessarily hidden, but it doesn't particularly annoy me either.
 
So the 15” air is better for watching movies then?
Not exactly. If watching movies is a main concern, then the MacBook Pro has better features (48Hz capability, can get brighter for HDR). Just figure out if you get annoyed by blooming, especially if you depend on closed captions. It's a little worse on the 12.9" iPad Pro and plenty of people have exchanged it for the 11" for that very reason.

Just don't let people tell you the Air has blooming—it doesn't.
  1. The Air is edge lit at the bottom, into a diffusion layer which brightens the entire display, and so to create blacks the RGB pixels block the light at 1400:1 contrast—which isn't pure black, just black'ish dark gray.
  2. Where as the MacBook Pro has a grid of 67 x 30 dimming zones that sometimes have to paradoxically brighten an image while simultaneously demonstrating the shadows of an image—causing halos and blooming artifacts that can even follow the motion of an object, like a ghosting effect.
Pick your poison until Apple starts using OLED.
 
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I had both the 14 M2 MBP and the new 15 air and had a heck of a time deciding. Yes agree the screen is better on the MBP. HOWEVER - the 15 form factor is better, it feels lighter, more modern, easier to use for me on the coach due to taller screen for reading. I have had NO issues washing movies. and its still $400 cheaper!
 
again, not a very thoughtful or supportive group, most everyone on this threat loves their 15" so will I. It was $400 cheaper for starters and form factor is much sexier than the 14 Pro IMO. I just don't need all those other feathers.
It was a joke. You always replied to everyone with with a strong leaning towards to the MBP - thats why. No big deal, I was just being cheeky. I have an MBA15 and I'm very happy with it.
 
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