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Who still wears a normal watch?
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Either none of us can actually understand what you're saying, or you completely missed the sarcasm in my post.
You're claiming that smart watches have hurt the price of traditional mechanical watches. As someone who follows the market, I'm saying that there have been record setting prices at auction this year on mechanical watches.
That's not to mention that things like vintage Rolexes are red hot right now and are only going up in price-and they're dragging a whole lot of other similarly styled watches up in price along with them.
1950s-1980s, and even 1990s, mechanical watches are going absolutely crazy right now. Everything from Pateks on down are selling for never before seen prices routinely.
Mmmm....didn't read the whole....
Well figures don't lie i suggest you click on the link i posted. ALSO, you campare apple with apple not with banana. Auction and antique watches is very different to the normal ongoing market, so we are not on the same pages sorry.
Ok its good to find someone expert here can you or anyone else please guess the price for this watch below ....?
[doublepost=1563072676][/doublepost]It seems you are googling for the price Mr expert?
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Mmmm....you and your sarcasm
Well figures don't lie i suggest you click on the link i posted.
Ok its good to find someone expert here can you or anyone else please guess the price for this watch below ....?
I'd guess that's a couple hundred dollars.
The link you posted is data that has been used for a specific intent - to drive traffic and stir up story. The reality is that it is disrupting the low tier ($100-$3000) of the Swiss industry due to its demographics. They are the same demographics that would replace their timepiece with a smartwatch in a heart beat.
For the mid/upper tiers, I don't see it affecting much. The people in this tier actually enjoy the craft that goes into their watches. Certain Rolex models today still have a waitlist. If somehow the entire Swiss watch industry is put out of business, it'd be great for those of us that own distinct time pieces, especially in these tiers. The value will go even higher.
The biggest problem with Rado is it depreciates heavily such that it's recommended by most watch enthusiasts to pursue it second hand if someone really wants one.
It seems as though you're only focusing on the new price of fashion watches. To be honest, I don't doubt that prices are down on those-I don't really follow them, but their target customer likely IS moving to smart watches.
Mechanical watches and even high end quartz from the major Swiss brands and others remain as strong as ever. Even lower tier but good brands like Hamilton and Tissot are selling strong. Chances are very slim that you'd be able to walk in to an authorized dealer and buy something like a Rolex Daytona(which is a 5 figure watch)-that's usually a waiting list watch, and it's not the only Rolex model that's on there.
That's not to say that Rolex is the end all and be all of the watch market, because they're not. I actually have a lot of issues with how Rolex does business especially with regard to parts availability(I need to have mine serviced before the end of the year because they're going to quit supplying parts to a variety of older movements including the 3035 to a lot of independents, which means a trip to the factory to have it serviced) but none the less they're a good metric/pulse of the market.
You're certainly welcome to continue to think that smart watches are killing traditional watches, but the real world doesn't bear that out. In fact, I've seen folks opine that, if anything, smart watches are reviving interest in the wristwatch as a whole and driving people who had never before owned a watch to buy "something nicer" in addition to their Apple watch or other smart watch.
Mechanical watches and even high end quartz from the major Swiss brands and others remain as strong as ever. Even lower tier but good brands like Hamilton and Tissot are selling strong. Chances are very slim that you'd be able to walk in to an authorized dealer and buy something like a Rolex Daytona(which is a 5 figure watch)-that's usually a waiting list watch, and it's not the only Rolex model that's on there.
That's not to say that Rolex is the end all and be all of the watch market, because they're not. I actually have a lot of issues with how Rolex does business especially with regard to parts availability(I need to have mine serviced before the end of the year because they're going to quit supplying parts to a variety of older movements including the 3035 to a lot of independents, which means a trip to the factory to have it serviced) but none the less they're a good metric/pulse of the market.
You're certainly welcome to continue to think that smart watches are killing traditional watches, but the real world doesn't bear that out. In fact, I've seen folks opine that, if anything, smart watches are reviving interest in the wristwatch as a whole and driving people who had never before owned a watch to buy "something nicer" in addition to their Apple watch or other smart watch.
Rado is the BMW of the the watches to be exact. It is so premium it really took me by surprise. Over years i dropped it probably 10-15 times and also i remember i hit against the wall few times but still not one single scratch and thats what you pay for.
You can google what material the Rado Florence use but physically its tough as. My score is 10/10.
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If you read few back pages i also said in terms of fashion, elegance and style the regular watches win by far. Having said that smart watches have their own style, features and usability. As the name suggests they are smarter and can be used as a phone and credit cards.
I've always thought car-watch analogies were pointless, but this one really doesn't make any sense at all.
Durability certainly is a good thing, but 50 years ago Timex was the gold standard of that(takes a lickin' and keeps on tickin'). The Casio G-shock now has taken that crown from the faithful old Timex pin lever automatic movement. If you're someone who's going to beat the heck out of your watch and need it to stand up in any situation, it's hard to be a $50 G-shock, and they come in about 100 different styles to suite your taste. If you want mechanical, anything from the Seiko 5 line is also up there, and most of those run $100-200.
Lol good guess
Trust me, no one is counterfeiting fashion watches...
By the way ipponrg you guess was spot on. The price for that watch went from around AU$400 to $220. Nice casual watch though.
My G shock has been in my drawer for years. Though watch but really thick and it gets hot in summer so no use.
Quite possible that interest in horology for its own sake has never been higher.
I’m probably not the target audience for this. It’s a decent watch appearance wise, but the snob in me loathes designer watches especially ones you can get at Macy’s.
If i like the look and feel of the watch i don't really care the brand name as long as its branded.
I think that there is a fundamental disconnect in this thread between one particular post and most of the others who are what I'd consider "watch people."
In general, most watch people don't have a lot of interest in watches branded for designers(Cartier is the biggest exception, but they also have a LONG history of branding watches). The dislike comes from the fact that these "fashion watches" as they are collectively called often use rather low end movements cased in either unremarkable or "over the top" designs, and then sold at prices comparatively high for the overall quality.
I don't consider them a good metric for pricing trends in the watch market. In particular, half or more off a "fashion watch" is not unusual. I hate to quit bringing up Rolex, but if you walk in to an AD it would be exceptionally uncommon to get even 10% off MSRP on one. If you see a new, unused one for sale for less than that, it's probably fake.
In general, most watch people don't have a lot of interest in watches branded for designers(Cartier is the biggest exception, but they also have a LONG history of branding watches). The dislike comes from the fact that these "fashion watches" as they are collectively called often use rather low end movements cased in either unremarkable or "over the top" designs, and then sold at prices comparatively high for the overall quality.
I don't consider them a good metric for pricing trends in the watch market. In particular, half or more off a "fashion watch" is not unusual. I hate to quit bringing up Rolex, but if you walk in to an AD it would be exceptionally uncommon to get even 10% off MSRP on one. If you see a new, unused one for sale for less than that, it's probably fake.
The reason why you buy branded watch is you are guaranteed and protected by the quality, safety, and services you get from the brand.
The reason why fake unbranded watches cost below $50 is they are below standard and acceptable quality.
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Call it what you will, but I've been living and breathing watches for better than 10 years.
I'm not talking about buying unbranded watches and never was-I'm talking about buying watches from brands that are known for their clothing/fashion items rather than their watches. That's what defines a fashion watch. Do you even know what movement brand is in your watch, or anything beyond a general type of movement?
You're trying to support your point about traditional watches losing market share by point to this specific model of Hilfiger watches. I'm countering with record auction prices on vintage watches, and the fact that certain pieces from known watch brands have waiting lists.
Here's a currently running thread on a large watch forum where the poster is discussing his trouble and the waiting list on a Rolex Daytona-again a 5 figure watch. There's also a fair bit of discussion about shortages on other popular Rolex sport models at somewhat lower price points-that's a bit contrary to what you're saying about prices and demand being low.
https://forums.watchuseek.com/f2/what-rolex-ad-actually-told-me-4988069.html
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You've been been breathing watches over 10 years?
Well i have been buying and selling them for over 30 years.
Also PLEASE PLEASE do not try misquote me over and over again. Nowhere did i say the traditional market for the regular watches is affected by that specific model Hilfiger watches!!! I was merely asking for guesses about the price!!!
The main discussion was discussed earlier in the the thread and it was smart watches V regular watches.
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I think it really depends what you mean by "branded watch". To many people, Hilfiger falls in the similar category as Invicta, Burberry, Bulova, Gucci, Armani, etc. These are all brands that have a different type of value. It's mainly for people that like fashion designers. Unfortunately, most of the movements and intricacies in these brands are probably moot and the value is barely on the name itself.
Now on the flip side, you got the low-mid tier to consider at the next level which is probably your graduation from these fashion designer branded watches into more serious watches, e.g. Tissot, Orient, Tag Heuer, Oris, select Seiko, Victorinox, Longines, Baume & Mercier, arguably B&R, maybe Tudor (Rolex's sibling) etc.
Then after that, you got mid to higher tiers which include Omega, Rolex, JLC, IWC, Panerai, Nomos, Cartier (they actually have their own movement), etc.
I feel that smartwatches are really only tapping/converting the buyers from the designer watch tier and some of the low-mid tier. These are relatively close in price range to a smart watch, and some of these people just wear a watch to wear one. The people that are in the mid-high tiers will likely never look at a smart watch in their foreseeable future.
That's because it's in bloody pesos. The Mexicans use the $ sign for their currency as well. The footer says it all. CDMX translates to City of Mexico AKA Mexico City. That "$2,587" watch is $136 USD. If it were USD, no one in their right mind would pay close to $8,000 USD for a dated Casio G Shock watch.
https://www.joyeriasbizzarro.com/reloj-casio-g-shock-caballero-gmw-b5000g-1cr.html
In my travels to Mexico in the past, I've spent up to $50,000... in PESOS. From food to bribing officers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_peso
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Depends on the Cartier, though. I had a few tanks that lost value and some that gained because they had precious metals. The mens and womens Ballon Bleu, on the other hand, seems to be retaining value on the pre-owned market at all dial sizes. It's also a brilliant looking watch. The drawback to these is that their movement is very entry level in terms of Cartier's movement systems. I'm quite surprised it maintains its value. Tried a white gold one out this last fall and loved it. Though for day to day wear, SS would be wise.
I think for a good entry to a serious watch without breaking the bank, a men's mother of pearl dial face with leather strap is quite fitting from Tissot. Clean, bit of glitz without going overboard with bling or whatever young people like. Tudor's currently experiencing a resurgence and they're very nice watches for the price. Higher service cost compared to older movements, but it's the next step up in big boy watches.
Being honest, the bulk of my purchases and or investments are Omegas. I can't get into the more lively looking watches. I like a conservative approach to design. In other words, I like boring.
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I wore an Apple Watch S2 until the S4 came out and wore that for a while, leaving my "regular" watches unworn for a period of time. Lately I got tired of the Apple Watch so I switched back to a regular watch. In fact, since then, I added two regular pieces to the collection
My latest addition. That sunburst blue is just so mesmerizing to look at and this is a bad picture too.
Too me, a watch is forever. It's part of the reason my collection is at least half mechanical. The other part is I have great appreciation for mechanical complications. The Apple Watch is the complete opposite, 2-3 years and it's more of less obsolete if you want the newest functions, and maybe 5-6 years at best before the battery dies and the watch goes with it.
My latest addition. That sunburst blue is just so mesmerizing to look at
and this is a bad picture too.Too me, a watch is forever. It's part of the reason my collection is at least half mechanical. The other part is I have great appreciation for mechanical complications. The Apple Watch is the complete opposite, 2-3 years and it's more of less obsolete if you want the newest functions, and maybe 5-6 years at best before the battery dies and the watch goes with it.
Bit hard to say the market is not fluctuating as the result of new market competition when you read this......
https://www.npd.com/wps/portal/npd/...atches-and-reset-market-dynamics-reports-npd/
Anyhow i am OUT.
https://www.npd.com/wps/portal/npd/...atches-and-reset-market-dynamics-reports-npd/
Anyhow i am OUT.
From your link:
It contradicts your original post:
But if you wanna backpedal and say that smartwatches have merely affected the market for watches—bold statement, btw—then sure, why not?
Anyhow, I am HUNGRY.
Nothing is contradicted. My post regarding big price drop is for the general market flow at any given time.
Where as the article is reporting for specific period ending Q4 2018 and thats what i meant the market is fluctuating.
Its logic and common sense , if new competitor is invading your market the answer is to reduce price and fight back by any means. If not for the high end luxury watches then for the lower or medium.
Where as the article is reporting for specific period ending Q4 2018 and thats what i meant the market is fluctuating.
Its logic and common sense , if new competitor is invading your market the answer is to reduce price and fight back by any means. If not for the high end luxury watches then for the lower or medium.
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