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Classic MacRumors speculation and classic impending disappointment. Yep, sounds about right.
You know...... In this thread I cried, I laughed, I cried because of joy and because of happiness. And here you come with the word dissapointment. I can put in words the feelings I'm retaining waiting for this mac. I should poke you in your eye! LOL I'm just joking
Well, I hope everyone's expectations are met, but I can't think of the last time a product was introduced or upgraded and everyone on MR said "Wow, what a great deal...thank you Apple!".
You know...... In this thread I cried, I laughed, I cried because of joy and because of happiness. And here you come with the word dissapointment. I can't put in words the feelings I'm retaining waiting for this mac. I should poke you in your eye! LOL I'm just joking
I'm waiting for a full list of the available parts (including quantity pricing) to get a better idea of the P/N's that would show up.This totally goes against Nano's pricing predictions of continued pricing trends.
Ultimately, I can't help but see the rise in margins (mentioned not too long ago on the front page) causing the prices to stay in similar territory at best. If the value is improved, it could come with slightly higher specs without any/substantial price increases (i.e. memory is changed to 1333MHz, perhaps a slightly larger HDD, better graphics card, and hopefully an increase in clock speed). A lower price would definitely accomplish an improvement in the value, but it just doesn't seem reasonable IMO.
Know what it is bro. Apple is all about quality and quality Cost money. I feel What ever they release is going to be strong. I know I'm gonna be happy with it cause I'm coming from a 1.8 g5. I have 3500 ready to go and just a little more for reserve. With these new chips gettin rid of the front side bus and adding a whole new technology is going to be fun. In the mean time I'm gonna prep my studio desk for the home coming of my mac pro or what ever they gonna call it
I read that it's rumored to possibly come out in black. Kind of like this concept:
We all know that they won't shrink the the form factor, as the design is often considered the absolute best in the industry. I do however like the idea of a black anodized metal replacing aluminum as the case metal
Do you think we will see similar pricing models used in their mobile product lines?
The iPad is the first apple product that has so much attention placed on it's "low" price. Apple has never really wanted to be known for something that is "low" price. Maybe it's because no one sees a need for it.
The iPhone when released in July 2007 was 600 dollars. Two months later Apple dropped the price 200 dollars. In the email that was sent out by Steve Jobs to customers who already owned a 600 dollar iPhone. He said they were doing it to gain more market share and reach more customers. The base iPhone is now less than 100 dollars.
On Jan 27, 2009 Steve said that Apple was becoming a mobile electronics company. Is this because they have based much of their mobile electronics on lowering prices? I think so.
I think it's possible that Apple will cut prices on their mac line to gain more users. They have built the name, now's its time to gain more market share.
I don't know why but I can't share your optimism. Maybe Apple keeps the current lineup only axes the 2.26 octo and lowers the price but the price point for the 6(12) core beasts will be hefty.
Apple's paradigm for revenue has pretty much been margin rather than volume. Given the ever-increasing cost of Intel silicone, I'd be surprised if we ever see the pro end of Apple's lineup being volume-based.
Same here, but I can't bring myself to hold onto this machine because of its lack of AppleCare.
I am so glad I got the best deal ever mid last year
I swapped a 13" ali macbook [the same week they did the upgrade....] and $1000 for an 2008 2 x 2.8 quad core !!!!
The deal of the century I thought, and can't see any reason at all to upgrade it - I think it is an amazing machine that hardly ever gives me any trouble.
Windows 7 on parallels in simply amazing on it [faster than the girlfriends new 15" macbookpro in bootcamp]
Love it and is the best Apple product I have ever owned, and Iv'e owned a few.... so no I won't be upgrading
I swapped a 13" ali macbook [the same week they did the upgrade....] and $1000 for an 2008 2 x 2.8 quad core !!!!
The deal of the century I thought, and can't see any reason at all to upgrade it - I think it is an amazing machine that hardly ever gives me any trouble.
Windows 7 on parallels in simply amazing on it [faster than the girlfriends new 15" macbookpro in bootcamp
]Love it and is the best Apple product I have ever owned, and Iv'e owned a few.... so no I won't be upgrading
The aquisition of P.A. Semi was to make custom designs for the portable devices, such as iPhones and iPads. ARM is a far cry from what Intel or AMD produce for CPU's.
In this instance (portable devices), it is intended to be produced in volume (economy of scale kicks in), and that's where the majority of Apple's profit margin is made. They can actually make more money this way, as they're not paying for a 3rd party supplier's chips. It also affords them a level of control they've never had before (specific use design).
We all know that they won't shrink the the form factor, as the design is often considered the absolute best in the industry. I do however like the idea of a black anodized metal replacing aluminum as the case metal
Yes, I'd also think this a great idea. And keep the aluminum option open for those who like it.
I hope the size stays the same. And that Apple does everything to incorporate the latest developments in regards to silent computing.
It seems potentially low (on the low end SP systems), and I'm uncertain on the clocks yet. Both will depend on quantity pricing we don't have yet.
I've been holding off for that list, and it's driving me nutz that it's not shown up yet. Intel seems to be playing this one really close to the vest as it were (we had the list a fair bit prior to the Nehalems release).
Brodude, when I think strong, I'm thinking GT120 video, 640GB hard drive, 3GB ram, four ram slots and a Xeon that performs as well as a $200 i7 for $2500.
I think I know what it is.
They have no plans or chance to compete with Intel or AMD on desktop chips. Ever.
They are starting to make ARM chips for their mobile products.
Shame really, because at $200 (Microcenter pricing) I feel that the i7 920 is a mind blowing chip. Out of box mine overclocked from 2.66 to 3.6GHz.
I think the i5 and i7 in the iMac is telling. I think they are about to really open up the gulf.
There may not even be a Mac Pro under $3000 to start with this next release.
It seems potentially low (on the low end SP systems), and I'm uncertain on the clocks yet. Both will depend on quantity pricing we don't have yet.
I've been holding off for that list, and it's driving me nutz that it's not shown up yet. Intel seems to be playing this one really close to the vest as it were (we had the list a fair bit prior to the Nehalems release).
Isn't it a given that the XEON parts will have a 1:1 relationship with the i7-970 (3.2GHz) and i7-980 (3.3GHz) which are the talk of the town? Are you expecting lower clocked variants?
On the pricing, I'm predicting a price drop ($500) on the existing CPU's - we all know there's plenty of room for such a drop and they've done some surprising price drops on other products in the last year or so. Do you think that's unlikely?
Hopefully we will know soon.
I agree that the Mac Pro is in the process of becoming a very rarified atmosphere. Looks like Apple will be redefining the term "power user". The question is whether or not Apple will open up the mid-range, essentially putting iMac guts into some kind of mid-range but expandable tower. If not, it might give a rather chilling meaning to Steve Jobs' proclamation that Apple is now a "mobile device company".
Intel's supposed to release 3x 6 core Gulftowns (SP models, so there will be SP Xeons from them as well).
i7-980X, and it's equivalent Xeon are to release March this year (I've seen both March 16th, Q1, and even H1 2010). The i7-970X is to release Q3 2010 (W3675?), and a faster chip in Q1 2011 (presume 3.46GHz; perhaps i7-990X for the consumer part, and either W3685 or W3690 for the Xeon equivalent).
So there will only be 1x SP Xeon that would be possible (W3680). We also know the quantity pricing; $999USD.
It's the DP parts I'm unsure of (exact pricing, but if it follows with the Nehalems, follow the model numbers).
I found a leaked chart of the P/N's with clocks (no prices though). For example, the E5620 is 2.4GHz. Assuming it's the same price as the E5520, there's a speed boost. But without pricing, we can't be sure on that, as the DP line is separating from the SP lineup to fill enterprise requirements.
No, I don't think a price drop is likely. At best, the pricing will carry over, but users get an additional pair of cores per CPU.
But Intel has to pay for the die shrink, and the enterprise market is where thier real profits come from. They've not been lowering the pricing in this market. The value comes from the performance increase.
I expect a mix of 45nm, and 32nm parts, so some of the current models' CPU P/N's may be recycled, otherwise dropped. If this were to happen, it would leave only one SP model, and cost that of the 3.33GHz unit now ($3699USD), assuming there's no increase in margins or other changes that push the price (i.e. graphics card; the RAM speed is still 1066MHz; such items could also lower it, but I'm not expecting that, as it would be consumed as a margin increase IMO). Please understand, the 45nm parts would apply to the SP systems only, as there's no alternatives that would allow for more than a single clock speed if only 32nm parts are used.
DP systems I expect to be 32nm exclusively (wide range of P/N's available; please note, not all are 6 core parts, some are still Quad core).
If the pricing increases from Intel, either Apple's pricing has to increase to cover the difference, or the clocks will be lowered to meet the target MSRP's.
The lack of a quantity price sheet is really making this hard to figure.
I hope so.