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Who's disappointed with iOS 5?
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What the heck are you talking about
They fixed a TON of stuff; most notably the notifications and the start screen info.
I was pleasantly surprised at them "cutting the cord" on iOS. I've been rambling about this for a year and a half (ever since the original iPad was announced) but I didn't expect them to go about it until the 3rd or 4th gen iPad.
Now that the kook-aid is done digesting, I think theres a few features missing that really shouldn't be.
No native Podcast Subscriptions - While wifi sync is great, the iPad has gotten my computer usage so low that I no longer want to leave it on anymore. But without Podcast Subscriptions Ill still need it running inorder to keep up to date.
Folder Passwords - Peopke here seem to get really offended from the idea of multiple logins. But if you're allowing others to touch your iPad then it would be nice to at least be able to put sensitive apps within password locked folders.
Voice Command - Along with Swype, these features make The Android workflow pretty fast so even the naysayers would quickly be convinced of that these features would make iOS even better.
Cloud STREAMING - People have been so caught up with the iCloud hype that they're missing that this isn't a streaming service. And that's a major feature of the cloud trend. Even 32GB storage on an iPhone/iPad is feeling cramped with Apps getting bigger so freeing up video/audio space by storing music on the cloud would be a nice OPTION (not requirement) for space savers and shufflers.
Widgets - This isn't even worth mentioning again since the thread displays enough people who don't understand the benefit, or don't realize that widgets are so customizable that you can disable them all and go back to a plain grid. These are a missing feature and I do hope Apple finds a way to Apple-fy it into something cool one day,
Lion borrows iOS aesthetics but not Functionality - iOS has shown us that the traditional desktop OS is overly complicated and outdated. Lion is trying to simplify this by borrowing iOS concepts and aesthetics but It's more like a HTC skin than an integration.
What I'd like to have seen was a deep integration of iOS into OSX. Many iOS apps are just as good as the desktop counterpart so why shouldn't we be able to run these as an app on our MacBooks? Even if this goes back on Jobs statement that "touchscreen doesn't belong on Macs", the OPTION (once again, traditionalists don't have to do this) of using iOS on a Mac is a nice direction to be heading.
No native Podcast Subscriptions - While wifi sync is great, the iPad has gotten my computer usage so low that I no longer want to leave it on anymore. But without Podcast Subscriptions Ill still need it running inorder to keep up to date.
Folder Passwords - Peopke here seem to get really offended from the idea of multiple logins. But if you're allowing others to touch your iPad then it would be nice to at least be able to put sensitive apps within password locked folders.
Voice Command - Along with Swype, these features make The Android workflow pretty fast so even the naysayers would quickly be convinced of that these features would make iOS even better.
Cloud STREAMING - People have been so caught up with the iCloud hype that they're missing that this isn't a streaming service. And that's a major feature of the cloud trend. Even 32GB storage on an iPhone/iPad is feeling cramped with Apps getting bigger so freeing up video/audio space by storing music on the cloud would be a nice OPTION (not requirement) for space savers and shufflers.
Widgets - This isn't even worth mentioning again since the thread displays enough people who don't understand the benefit, or don't realize that widgets are so customizable that you can disable them all and go back to a plain grid. These are a missing feature and I do hope Apple finds a way to Apple-fy it into something cool one day,
Lion borrows iOS aesthetics but not Functionality - iOS has shown us that the traditional desktop OS is overly complicated and outdated. Lion is trying to simplify this by borrowing iOS concepts and aesthetics but It's more like a HTC skin than an integration.
What I'd like to have seen was a deep integration of iOS into OSX. Many iOS apps are just as good as the desktop counterpart so why shouldn't we be able to run these as an app on our MacBooks? Even if this goes back on Jobs statement that "touchscreen doesn't belong on Macs", the OPTION (once again, traditionalists don't have to do this) of using iOS on a Mac is a nice direction to be heading.
Let's add to my list of complaints, the really crappy sensitivity of the touch keyboard. I get more mistyped words and missing letters than any other touchscreen I've used.
Don't blame the "sensitivity of the touch keyboard" for your blatant inability to proofread your post before hitting "submit reply".
Apple have gone to the trouble of adding loads of great features with iOS 5 but we are still lacking some of the most basic features for the iPad. What I mean is why would anyone at apple think that no one wants to check the weather on an iPad or use a calculator or even the stocks app. With the new notifications they have added weather and stocks widgets for the iPhone what gives? I can't understand why they have omitted them for the iPad.
Yeah. The omission of some of those Apps is weird but I think it has to do with them essentially being Yahoo Widgets.
I dont need elaborate weather apps, I just need something that shouts current temp which is why I really wish they would make that Weather icon real-time rather than stuck on 73degrees. They made the calendar date change which is nice but my guess is that they wont mess with the Weather icon because its Yahoo's and their plan from the start was to eventually shed themselves of Yahoo (Stocks, Weather) and Google (Maps) and make all these things themselves. But so far they just didnt get around to it.
iOS 5
I have just watched the presentation, ios 5 looks fantastic! can't wait till it comes out.
But looking forward to next month the Loin upgrade for $29 bucks
I have just watched the presentation, ios 5 looks fantastic! can't wait till it comes out.
But looking forward to next month the Loin upgrade for $29 bucks
I agree the weather icon needs to auto-update. I cant' believe they haven't fixed that.
Regarding no weather, calculator, stocks on iPad - I wonder if they just haven't been able to spare the personnel to design iPad versions of these apps yet?
Regarding no weather, calculator, stocks on iPad - I wonder if they just haven't been able to spare the personnel to design iPad versions of these apps yet?
I think he has a valid point so blaming the end user completely is unfair. Ive spoken with a lot of iPad + iPhone users and most of us agree that we type better on the phone than on the tablet. And that doesnt make sense considering the iPad KB letters are exactly the same size as my Macbook. (The errors I cant escape seem to be capitalizations when I know I didnt hit the shift, or words merging because it didnt register a spacebar tap.)Don't blame the "sensitivity of the touch keyboard" for your blatant inability to proofread your post before hitting "submit reply".
It does seem the iPad keyboard is pretty sensitive and while proofreading is important, it would be nice to not make the mistakes in the first place. So I'm hoping the new split keyboard is the answer and I can go back to my super accurate thumbs.
Wow, reading this thread further solidifies that no matter what improvements Apple makes to iOS, not everyone will be satisfied.
First off, a lot of you widget guys are just plain ol' lazy. Widgets aren't needed at all. It takes just ONE touch to open an app to give you the same, if not more info than a widget would. It'll take you longer to get to the widget home screen you need than to open an app. And if Apple does finally implement widgets, guess what'll happen...everyone will be saying how iOS copied Android even though widgets have been implemented in OSX for years now (which I NEVER use).
Second, the overall UI will not change for a long time so get over it and get used to it or sell your iDevice if you don't like it. Hell, Windows has been using the same UI since Windows 95. All theyve done with the newer versions is add a prettier skin. The grid system is, by far, the simplest UI implementation out of any tablet. You guys forget that Apple caters to the masses, not us techies. The mass majority of people don't want to be scrolling through pages and different awkward menus just to try and open an app or utility. They want to see an icon and touch it to do what they need to do. That's it. Apple makes their devices for anyone to pick up and use without hesitation. You can not do that with any other tablet. And by YOU I mean not us techies, but my mom/dad/grandparents who are not as techie as i am.
Third, FLASH WILL NOT HAPPEN! Flash sucks period. I, personally, have not missed Flash one bit since having my iDevices. I've very rarely come across a site that I can't access because it's done in Flash. It has not changed my experience one bit. Most sites I visit use HTML5. Now this point is commensurate on what your daily needs are, but for me, it's not needed.
Fourth, WTF is "proper" multitasking? Do you not have the ablity to double tap the home button to bring up the dock to switch between apps? Why do you want multiple apps crammed onto a 10" screen? Seems unnecessary to me but to each their own.
Finally, a lot of the stuff you guys are bitching about that wasnt talked about is actually there. Apple talked about 10 of 200+ new features in iOS5. Go back and look at the screen shots of all the features from the keynote.
The only thing I wish they would have done is implement BiteSMS-like (jailbreak app) messaging overlays. It does suck to have to switch to the iMessages app to send a quick message. But that's not enough to warrant calling iOS5 a disappointment.
First off, a lot of you widget guys are just plain ol' lazy. Widgets aren't needed at all. It takes just ONE touch to open an app to give you the same, if not more info than a widget would. It'll take you longer to get to the widget home screen you need than to open an app. And if Apple does finally implement widgets, guess what'll happen...everyone will be saying how iOS copied Android even though widgets have been implemented in OSX for years now (which I NEVER use).
Second, the overall UI will not change for a long time so get over it and get used to it or sell your iDevice if you don't like it. Hell, Windows has been using the same UI since Windows 95. All theyve done with the newer versions is add a prettier skin. The grid system is, by far, the simplest UI implementation out of any tablet. You guys forget that Apple caters to the masses, not us techies. The mass majority of people don't want to be scrolling through pages and different awkward menus just to try and open an app or utility. They want to see an icon and touch it to do what they need to do. That's it. Apple makes their devices for anyone to pick up and use without hesitation. You can not do that with any other tablet. And by YOU I mean not us techies, but my mom/dad/grandparents who are not as techie as i am.
Third, FLASH WILL NOT HAPPEN! Flash sucks period. I, personally, have not missed Flash one bit since having my iDevices. I've very rarely come across a site that I can't access because it's done in Flash. It has not changed my experience one bit. Most sites I visit use HTML5. Now this point is commensurate on what your daily needs are, but for me, it's not needed.
Fourth, WTF is "proper" multitasking? Do you not have the ablity to double tap the home button to bring up the dock to switch between apps? Why do you want multiple apps crammed onto a 10" screen? Seems unnecessary to me but to each their own.
Finally, a lot of the stuff you guys are bitching about that wasnt talked about is actually there. Apple talked about 10 of 200+ new features in iOS5. Go back and look at the screen shots of all the features from the keynote.
The only thing I wish they would have done is implement BiteSMS-like (jailbreak app) messaging overlays. It does suck to have to switch to the iMessages app to send a quick message. But that's not enough to warrant calling iOS5 a disappointment.
I must have been dreaming when I watched "Back to the Mac" live on my iPad then! It's called HTTP Live Streaming and it's an open standard that is being implemented by a bunch of people (Apple, MS, Adobe, Google)
While I agree with your sentiment, cool it. People are entitled to want Flash, widgets, whatever. The problem is people confusing 'wanting something' with 'Apple had an obligation to include what I wanted and if they didn't then iOS 5 is an objective disappointment, a fact denied only by bla bla bla'.
Yeah, no kidding.
First, I'm going to make 2 assumptions.
1. You are a student/teenager
2. You've never used android.
I arrive at these assumptions because it's clear don't understand the need of being able to, at a glance, see upcoming appointments and messages without tapping incessantly to get all of the information you need.
Widgets live where them, not on a separate homecscreen. So, in most cases, they would e right there on screen 1. You obviously are devoid of any experience with widgets, and therefore can't weigh in on their usefulness and productivity to others.
Your stating an opinion, not based on actual facts and experience.
From what I have seen of it from the Keynote and from reading about the features on Apple.com this update looks to be fantastic IMHO.
Some people can find anything to complain about.
Some people can find anything to complain about.
What the heck are you talking about
They fixed a TON of stuff; most notably the notifications and the start screen info.
I was pleasantly surprised at them "cutting the cord" on iOS. I've been rambling about this for a year and a half (ever since the original iPad was announced) but I didn't expect them to go about it until the 3rd or 4th gen iPad.
Agree--I have a Windows 7 tower at home. It hosts all my iTunes files, music, video, and pictures, and also runs backups of them every night to an external 3 TB hard drive. Even though it's not technically a server, I basically have it set up like a file server for my home and all the devices we use there, and I leave iTunes running on it so we can use Home Sharing.
EXCEPT FOR the fact that about once a week I plug both my iPhone and iPad into it and sync/run a backup of each. This is literally the only reason I ever need to sit at that PC for more than about 30 seconds at a time. The PC-less updates and cloud functionality will eliminate that problem.
So--my iPhone 4 cut my laptop usage in half, my iPad 2 virtually eliminated it, and iCloud is going eliminate my need to spend time doing syncs and backups on my tower. When an ecosystem like iOS starts allowing me to spend more time with my family and less time sitting at a computer desk, I'm all for it.
I don't understand it either, and it would be good if you could walk people through how you use them instead of repeatedly telling them they don't understand it.
Because here's my take:
If you are getting messages which are important, you can already get a visual and audible alert for them. Now, let's suppose some messages are important and others aren't, so you'd want a widget showing senders and subject lines, for example, and not have to open your mail program every time it blips. Sure! But I don't see how this kind of widget solves the problem, because either (1) if you have time to answer important e-mails, then you have time to click your mail program every so often, or (2) if some messages can wait, then you don't need the widget telling you the important information, the audio blip is enough to let you know to check your mail later. Also, presumably you are not watching your homescreen all the time anyway, because you are doing other things (either on the device or elsewhere in the workspace). If you already have to change task to go to a homescreen, then the omnipresence of the widgets becomes moot. This is not tapping incessantly, it's tapping one extra time.
Also, appointments don't change at a moment's notice; alerts notify my of upcoming appointments, and so on. So I am not convinced of their utility either.
So, I can see people using such a widget. I get that people want them. I don't think there's any general reason they shouldn't be there, but I don't see them as making any major difference to productivity or that their absence is a huge detriment. Perhaps, since you are familiar with them, you can elaborate. I know widgets get you info at moment's notice; I don't see how to fit this into any kind of workflow as an improvement.
Can you list the ones you are talking about? Because it would probably help the thread if you can confirm something that Apple has yet to mention.
As for the rest of your post. Im not sure why you are conjuring up so much anger and frustration out of the personal desires of strangers, but having expectations is what makes us consumers. Saying "go buy an android" is a lame statement because the reason we're on the Apple board is because we want Apple products and want to discuss our personal wishlists.
Im not seeing why anyone here feels that is bad for the company (that we dont work for) or bad for the consumer. If anything it will get 3rd parties to step up where Apple didnt, and maybe trickle into the next update when Apple sees its usefulness as a jailbreak/competing option.
I guess the sticking point is 'why do people who have such huge issues with these products want Apple products to begin with'? It's one thing to say 'oh, it would be nice if iOS had had X,' it's another to post the ritual bellyaching about the rage and frustration mean ol' Mr. Jobs inflicts on people.
I'm usually a critic, but I am very satisfied with iOS 5. I don't buy Jobs's assertion that a desktop/laptop will be "just another device" though. Therefore, I'm satisfied with my iPad not having every little bell and whistle. If you believe an iPad and desktop are equal, then I can see why some are disappointed.
As for the death of the "file system", I don't buy this either. As long as individual files (media, documents, etc) exist, there will always be a way for the end-user to organize and access them. This is just simple human nature. All this is we are seeing is an app-centric file system rather then a file-centric file system.
As for the death of the "file system", I don't buy this either. As long as individual files (media, documents, etc) exist, there will always be a way for the end-user to organize and access them. This is just simple human nature. All this is we are seeing is an app-centric file system rather then a file-centric file system.
First, Im a 30 year old graphic designer. I have 3 lines on my account; 1 each for my wife and I and one that I use to play around with different phones. I figure $10 extra a month to play with the technology I love, is worth it. On my third line, I usually get Android phones to play around with them because I am interested in seeing how Android progresses.
Second, being that I am a freelance designer along with my 9-5, I have meetings several times a week. I've jailbroken all of my iDevices since its inception and LockInfo was one of the main reasons I did (along with BiteSMS). So yes, I see the benefits of having information at a glance. But with the new Notification Center, you can add any information to it just like LockInfo. The widgets on the Android phones Ive used can be on separate home pages. My point was that it takes the same amount of effort to swipe between home screens as it is to touch the button for an app. But now with the Notification Center, all the info is there with a swipe. I know I had to jailbreak to get the functionality I needed but even if I didnt, my calendar is one touch on my home screen to see my appointments. One touch that takes .00001 second to do.
Third, I am not devoid of using widgets. Widgets have been built into OSX for years. The only one I use now is the calculator but thats about it. I dont need a weather widget because Fahrenheit keeps the temp for me on my home screen, my appointments are in LockInfo (soon to be replaced by the Notification Center) and stocks arent important enough to me right now to have a stocks widget. What other types of widgets do you NEED (not want)?
Yes, my statements are my opinions, just like everyone else's on this forum, but they ARE based on my experience with both OS'. Ive owned every iPhone/iPad since their respective launch dates. Ive also owned 4 different Android phones with my current one being the Atrix (which sucks BTW).
Well since widgets seem to be what everyone is talking about so Ill start there. Just like I mentioned before, as of now, Notification Center is Apple's answer to widgets. You can add almost any info to it to have at your swiping fingertips. I italicize almost because, Im not a dev so I dont know exactly how much info can be accessed via NC. Based on the screen shots here on the Apple website, email, calendar events, messages, weather and stocks can be added to it. Having a widget that has the same functionality would be pointless.
You're right, I was a little frustrated writing what I wrote but it irks me that no matter what a company can do, there will always be people who are not satisfied and want more more more. So what happens when/if Apple adds widgets? Then what will people want?
110% agree.
So, being an android user, you can't see the advantage to having access to all that info, on one screen, at a moments glance?
Remember, with the screen real estate, that is currently wasted, you could have several widgets, right there on scree.
In my case, I work 10 hours a day, with producers sitting behind me, paying upwards of $300 an hour.
Its important for me to know who's contacting me, and for what, as i too am a freelancer.
Missing a specific message for another gig, can easily cost me upwards of $10k., if I don't answer those messages immediately. I need to get this information, without the client thinking I'm "playing" with my phone or iPad.
This is just one small example.
The exclusion of widgets is idiotic, and again, should be up to me to use or not.