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Disagree. This "S" cycle featured phones that were heavier and thicker. That's not progress.
But with better features, stability and most importantly without issues observed in the normal cycle .. Eg - 6s, 5s, 4s.. All were better versions than their predessors..

Don't know why some are so obsessed with this thickness factor in a phone.. It's so difficult to use the iPhone 6 without a case.. It was never the case with earlier versions of iPhones when they used to be balanced
 
But with better features, stability and most importantly without issues observed in the normal cycle .. Eg - 6s, 5s, 4s.. All were better versions than their predessors..

Don't know why some are so obsessed with this thickness factor in a phone.. It's so difficult to use the iPhone 6 without a case.. It was never the case with earlier versions of iPhones when they used to be balanced

I find some of the features just annoying, not better. 3D touch, live photos: yuck. I hate those things.
 
I too believe in the "s" cycle. We get the best version of that particular design with that cycle

Nicer screen and way, way nicer loudspeaker on the 6+ when compared to the 6S+. Quite why they dropped the great speaker is baffling. The RAM and CPU/GPU increase are fantastic though. Throw in the possible anodisation chipping & worse battery life and the S Series isn't exactly a more polished version of the preceding model. If that were the case then there would be absolutely nothing preferable about the preceding phone.

The 6S is much better overall of course, but it is missing some things that the earlier phone had. I really don't see the argument that the S versions are a continuation and polishing job, they are separate phones in their own right which just happen to share the same casing design. The iPhone 7 will be a polishing of the 6S, but in a different casing...
 
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I find some of the features just annoying, not better. 3D touch, live photos: yuck. I hate those things.
And they don't have to be used, but they are still progress nonetheless. And then there are more important things like better materials, better vibration engine, better CPU and GPU, a very important and overdue bump in RAM, etc.
 
Quite why they dropped the great speaker is baffling.

I noticed this, too!

The 6S is much better overall of course, but it is missing some things that the earlier phone had

Agree. The things it's missing convinced me that the cost of the "upgrade" was not worth it.

The extra weight is noticeable.

The 6 Plus is a superb phone. The 6S Plus is some kind of transitional thing, with several downgrades mixed in with the new features, two of which I really hate. And I also hate iOS 9's scrolling to the left with its stupid and useless "top hits" screen beyond the first home screen.
 
The 6S is so much faster than the 6 it is easily worth the upgrade on that alone

Disagree vehemently! In fact, this oft-repeated trope is one reason I gave the 6S Plus a shot. I held both phones together, in separate hands, and did things I normally do with the phones: open messages, flipboard articles, etc. Result: a toss up! Certainly nothing in the 6S Plus to make it worth upgrading from the 6. In fact, some things on the 6 Plus were faster than the 6S Plus.
 
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14 grams is a tough weight to bear, and I also struggle with the loss of the ~4 credit cards worth of space taken up by the 6s larger case.

It's noticeable and annoying to me. People can do their own comparisons. Some will agree with you, some with me.

In general, though, if heavier were better or of no import, then Apple wouldn't be touting "thinner and lighter" every time they could. Right?
 
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Yeah. To get 3D Touch they give you a smaller battery and chunkier phone. So if you then switch it off you're losing out for no reason.

You also getting newer\faster CPU, GPU and more RAM. and dont forget the new 'Rose Gold' option :rolleyes:
 
Disagree vehemently! In fact, this oft-repeated trope is one reason I gave the 6S Plus a shot. I held both phones together, in separate hands, and did things I normally do with the phones: open messages, flipboard articles, etc. Result: a toss up! Certainly nothing in the 6S Plus to make it worth upgrading from the 6. In fact, some things on the 6 Plus were faster than the 6S Plus.
A factually proven much more powerful and faster CPU and GPU along with doubled faster RAM is something to disagree with and "vehemently!" to top it off? Seems like just disagreements for the sake of disagreements.
 
A factually proven much more powerful and faster CPU and GPU along with doubled faster RAM is something to disagree with and "vehemently!" to top it off? Seems like just disagreements for the sake of disagreements.

You're not listening to me. I'm saying real-world performance is a toss-up in the cases I tried. You're trotting out some "factually proven" stuff about faster and more memory. That's fine, but if I didn't experience it in my everyday usage, it doesn't matter!
 
You're not listening to me. I'm saying real-world performance is a toss-up in the cases I tried. You're trotting out some "factually proven" stuff about faster and more memory. That's fine, but if I didn't experience it in my everyday usage, it doesn't matter!
It's still progress and good progress at that. It might not matter to you, and that's fine, it doesn't make it any less of progress or any less of what matters in one way or another to many others.
 
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It's noticeable and annoying to me. People can do their own comparisons. Some will agree with you, some with me.

In general, though, if heavier were better or of no import, then Apple wouldn't be touting "thinner and lighter" every time they could. Right?
It could easily be argued that Apple has never had a "lighter" aspect to their iphone line at all. The original iphone weighs less than the iphone 6 or 6s. Apple has made it a point to make things lighter that needed to be lighter, while leaving things that are roughly the right weight stay the same. The thickness difference is so tiny that the phone can use the same cases, you cannot tell the difference. You just think you can (I guess).


I'm just wondering if you are running this thread either for some kind of entertainment purpose, or if you are trying to convince yourself there is a real difference in form factor.
 
Disagree vehemently! In fact, this oft-repeated trope is one reason I gave the 6S Plus a shot. I held both phones together, in separate hands, and did things I normally do with the phones: open messages, flipboard articles, etc. Result: a toss up! Certainly nothing in the 6S Plus to make it worth upgrading from the 6. In fact, some things on the 6 Plus were faster than the 6S Plus.

The 6S is not only faster, it can also keep things in RAM for later use. My whole experience changed with it. To be able to pause a YouTube video, take a call, browse the net, play a game and come back to the video still where I left it. Just didn't happen with the 6, which struggled to keep 2 safari tabs open without reloading
 
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The 6S is not only faster, it can also keep things in RAM for later use. My whole experience changed with it. To be able to pause a YouTube video, take a call, browse the net, play a game and come back to the video still where I left it. Just didn't happen with the 6, which struggled to keep 2 safari tabs open without reloading

I wanted all that--but without the extra weight and bulk.
 
Only if they're non-tinny. The 6+ had a single non-tinny loudspeaker, and the Nexus 6P has two tinny speakers. I know which I'd prefer.

Glad I'm not the only one that was unimpressed with the 6P speakers. I didn't find them particularly loud or full sounding. They were different sounding than the speaker on my 6S+ and the sound was better dispersed, but not better in any way to my ears.
 
Matter of definition, I guess. Is progress moving forward without messing up what exists? If so, it's partial progress at best.
Perhaps a matter of definition, although for most progress generally relates to technological aspects and isn't generally tied to more aesthetic attributes like lightness or thinness (even it might play some small part in it overall) as it is much more related to actual hardware and its capabilities.

So, again, related to the original post that went down this tangential path at https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/whos-ready-for-the-iphone-7.1939542/page-2#post-22283017, there's most certainly progress, it's just that perhaps some people might not care about technological progress as much and care about aesthetic type of attributes more. That's all good and fine, it's just not what progress generally gets associated with for most people and in most discussions.
 
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