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It's still progress and good progress at that. It might not matter to you, and that's fine, it doesn't make it any less of progress or any less of what matters in one way or another to many others.

i believe the person you were referring to was refuting an argument that it was so much more noticeably faster that speed alone justified the upgrade.

yes it is much faster hardware on spec sheets and benchmarking tools, but i agree from trying out in store, it is not really that noticeable in general use. the most meaningful gain is likely from ram if you regularly like to keep lots of tabs open.

i'm sure like all s-series phones, it *will* become noticeable in its relative longevity. But if you're the type who's already trading in a 6 for a 6s for perceived performance gains, you'll never last that long with it anyway.

i'd go even further and say all the hardware speed in the world is wasted on how clunky iOS tends to feel these days. even the beastly iPad pro i tried in the store still felt like it stuttered on animations.

i'll give you this, i went into a pop-up samsung store, and i couldn't do a single thing on their display devices without stuff crashing all over the place.

the industry trend of late seems to be to push out as many features as possible at the expense of stability and polish, and hoping raw hardware gains compensate for half-baked software. i guess its a viable model, but i'll still mourn for what we lost in the process.
 
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although for most progress generally relates to technological aspects and isn't generally tied to more aesthetic attributes like lightness or thinness

Okay, so I'm not most. Where are we going with this? I'm stating my opinion. You're telling me I'm some kind of freak. That's cool. I'm a freak. I'm hanging this out there for the other freaks. You're not a freak. That's cool. You're over there, safe with the crowd.

Me, I'm letting my freak flag fly. Smoking a joint, too. Puff on.

 
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Disagree vehemently! In fact, this oft-repeated trope is one reason I gave the 6S Plus a shot. I held both phones together, in separate hands, and did things I normally do with the phones: open messages, flipboard articles, etc. Result: a toss up! Certainly nothing in the 6S Plus to make it worth upgrading from the 6. In fact, some things on the 6 Plus were faster than the 6S Plus.
Well, to this I would say to each his own.. Obviously the 6s is an upgrade at an overall level.. Basis your arguments, many people found the 5s to be ergonomically better then the 6. The 6 is too thin and slippery. Not many people can use it without a case. 5s doesn't require any case etc plus it's camera was equivalent to the 6..

If Apple makes the next phone even more thinner (I hope they concentrate on better things than thinness) then they should provide a case free instead of charging almost 5-7% of the phone's cost to it..

Design and ergonomic wise both 6 and 6s are far from perfect and there are lot more better phones out in the market led by Samsung s6 series. They are far better to hold.
 
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Okay, so I'm not most. Where are we going with this? I'm stating my opinion. You're telling me I'm some kind of freak. That's cool. I'm a freak. I'm hanging this out there for the other freaks. You're not a freak. That's cool. You're over there, safe with the crowd.

Me, I'm letting my freak flag fly. Smoking a joint, too. Puff on.

No implications of the sort were being made at all. Simply saying that the things you were referring to aren't really what get associated with "progress"--basically to say that you might very well have a point about what you are saying, but that doesn't mean that a good amount of progress isn't made with many updates, and especially the most recent one.
 
Glad I'm not the only one that was unimpressed with the 6P speakers. I didn't find them particularly loud or full sounding. They were different sounding than the speaker on my 6S+ and the sound was better dispersed, but not better in any way to my ears.

The 6S+ has a lousy speaker, and I mean lousy compared to the 6+. However, all this marketing BS with stereo speakers is meaningless if they're tinny. Two crap speakers are arguably worse than one crap one because they're imploring you to check out the 'upgrade'. The Nexus 6 has fuller sounding speakers than the 6P.
 
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Okay, so I'm not most. Where are we going with this? I'm stating my opinion. You're telling me I'm some kind of freak. That's cool. I'm a freak. I'm hanging this out there for the other freaks. You're not a freak. That's cool. You're over there, safe with the crowd.

Me, I'm letting my freak flag fly. Smoking a joint, too. Puff on.

I feel you. You're a cool freak. Anyhow, there are people who just want to quote you for the sake of it...
:)
 
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but that doesn't mean that a good amount of progress isn't made with many updates, and especially the most recent one.

I've worked (for too long) in the computer/software industry. People there work, day after day, usually on six-month release cycles, sitting there in their stupid, expensive chairs in their stupid cubicles staring at their stupid code machines, 8 hours a day (if they're lucky). They have to do something. Often what they're working on is just new/different, not better. It's what some dumbass product manager told them to work on after nodding his head in the white board room, listening to his boss, who listened to who knows what? Maybe Gartner Group. Maybe the spiritual advisor. Watch the HBO sitcom Silicon Valley if you want a clue about how some of this ridiculous crap gets invented. You really can't make some of this **** up, and the creators of Silicon Valley didn't really have to. Reality is more ****ing unbelievable than fantasy. More/different isn't necessarily better. It's just another paycheck for most of these folks. People gotta collect a paycheck. So it is in Apple. Smoke more pot and be happy with what you have.

Here's a consideration: All these six-month release cycles later, and Apple still hasn't done things better than BlackBerry did 10 years ago: e-mail, blinking notification lights, easy calendar entries, phones that you can actually *carry* comfortably and type on without grinding your teeth, so much more. Probably most of the people here never even used a BlackBerry phone. Pity, cuz what that phone did well Apple couldn't replicate in its wettest wet dreams.

3D touch? Who asked for this, exactly? Live photos? Who asked for that? Who really cares? Revolutionary? Let me extend my cup for you to wank in. The cup has an Apple logo on it.

New is new. Better is something else altogether, and Apple doesn't define it.

P.S. If you own Apple stock, these are the good old days.
 
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I've worked in the computer/software industry. People there work, day after day, usually on six-month release cycles. They have to do something. Often what they're working on is just new/different, not better. More/different isn't necessarily better. It's just another paycheck for most of these folks. People gotta collect a paycheck. So it is in Apple. Smoke more pot and be happy with what you have.
Depends on the company and product. Some are like that, some aren't.
 
I've worked in the computer/software industry. People there work, day after day, usually on six-month release cycles, sitting there in their stupid chairs in their stupid cubicles staring at their stupid code machines, 8 hours a day (if they're lucky). They have to do something. Often what they're working on is just new/different, not better. More/different isn't necessarily better. It's just another paycheck for most of these folks. People gotta collect a paycheck. So it is in Apple. Smoke more pot and be happy with what you have.

Here's a consideration: All these six-month release cycles later, and Apple still hasn't done things better than BlackBerry did 10 years ago: e-mail, blinking notification lights, easy calendar entries, so much more.

New is new. Better is something else altogether.

they are saving those features for when they run out of innovative ideas.
 
I need 32 gb of ram to run vm oracle ebiz and cloud control oem 13c on my iPhone who's down with that?

Dejavu is fine but four way street is golden with live chemistry.
 
I've worked (for too long) in the computer/software industry. People there work, day after day, usually on six-month release cycles, sitting there in their stupid, expensive chairs in their stupid cubicles staring at their stupid code machines, 8 hours a day (if they're lucky). They have to do something. Often what they're working on is just new/different, not better. It's what some dumbass product manager told them to work on after nodding his head in the white board room, listening to his boss, who listened to who knows what? Maybe Gartner Group. Maybe the spiritual advisor. Watch the HBO sitcom Silicon Valley if you want a clue about how some of this ridiculous crap gets invented. You really can't make some of this **** up, and the creators of Silicon Valley didn't really have to. Reality is more ****ing unbelievable than fantasy. More/different isn't necessarily better. It's just another paycheck for most of these folks. People gotta collect a paycheck. So it is in Apple. Smoke more pot and be happy with what you have.

Here's a consideration: All these six-month release cycles later, and Apple still hasn't done things better than BlackBerry did 10 years ago: e-mail, blinking notification lights, easy calendar entries, phones that you can actually *carry* comfortably and type on without grinding your teeth, so much more. Probably most of the people here never even used a BlackBerry phone. Pity, cuz what that phone did well Apple couldn't replicate in its wettest wet dreams.

3D touch? Who asked for this, exactly? Live photos? Who asked for that? Who really cares? Revolutionary? Let me extend my cup for you to wank in. The cup has an Apple logo on it.

New is new. Better is something else altogether, and Apple doesn't define it.

P.S. If you own Apple stock, these are the good old days.
As somebody who did briefly own a blackberry, you've drifted into the purely fantastical here. Blackberrys were great for their time (they were all we had) but iOS and iPhones are vastly, almost immeasurably superior in almost every way. I don't even need to argue this, I state it as a fact. The market makes the argument for me. How is RIM doing now?


You may be right about the stock.


Interesting diatribe on Silicon Valley, I think you've spent to much time working there... you sound upset. Drugs are also not okay, except pills. You can have all the pills you like, any color.
 
I look forward to the iPhone 7 and especially iOS 10/iOS X.

Whether I buy one depends on two factors, the design and the baseline storage. I miss the design of the 5S but do enjoy the bigger screen of the 6. If the new design is a step forward from the 6/6S (shouldn't be too difficult) I might consider it. Getting 12Mp, 2GB Ram and 3D Touch would be a great added bonus, considering that the iPhone is my most used device.

However, with the recent price increase here in Sweden I'm not even going to consider a new iPhone unless 32GB minimum becomes the base storage. I bought my 64GB 6 just before prices increased. As it is, I would never pay the money they currently charge for the 64GB model, nor would I settle with 16GB storage. We'll see what happens!
 
I look forward to the iPhone 7 and especially iOS 10/iOS X.

Whether I buy one depends on two factors, the design and the baseline storage. I miss the design of the 5S but do enjoy the bigger screen of the 6. If the new design is a step forward from the 6/6S (shouldn't be too difficult) I might consider it. Getting 12Mp, 2GB Ram and 3D Touch would be a great added bonus, considering that the iPhone is my most used device.

However, with the recent price increase here in Sweden I'm not even going to consider a new iPhone unless 32GB minimum becomes the base storage. I bought my 64GB 6 just before prices increased. As it is, I would never pay the money they currently charge for the 64GB model, nor would I settle with 16GB storage. We'll see what happens!
Well said.. If they don't come up with a 32gb next time it's going to show poorly on their part.. Hopefully better sense prevail
 
I'm happy with my 6s but I have concerns. It's starting to do odd things here and there that make me wonder if a hardware problem is starting to manifest. I'm keeping an eye on things. When it's working well it's fabulous and I'm not in a hurry to the next model for that reason.

I'm a little concerned if Apple hardware quality is falling off a little or that they can't pull it together with IOS . I may just get this phone repaired or replaced if need be and pay it off and hold off giving Apple more of my money for awhile. But it's really too early for me to say. I've had this phone and this OS for only a relatively short time and the OS is still being revised and refined.

Of course it's always exciting to take part in the anticipation and speculation of a new Apple product. I love tech and I love new shiney things, even if it's only to admire from afar.
 
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Not care what it looks like - want to know what it actually does - I know I'm weird but what it does it more important to me than what it looks like or what kind of corners or ???
I love to behold beautiful design but seeing as I inevitably put my phones in a folio case I would have to agree with you.
 
Nicer screen and way, way nicer loudspeaker on the 6+ when compared to the 6S+. Quite why they dropped the great speaker is baffling. The RAM and CPU/GPU increase are fantastic though. Throw in the possible anodisation chipping & worse battery life and the S Series isn't exactly a more polished version of the preceding model. If that were the case then there would be absolutely nothing preferable about the preceding phone.

The 6S is much better overall of course, but it is missing some things that the earlier phone had. I really don't see the argument that the S versions are a continuation and polishing job, they are separate phones in their own right which just happen to share the same casing design. The iPhone 7 will be a polishing of the 6S, but in a different casing...
My speaker on my 6s Plus is really good. Blows my iPhone 6Plus speaker out of the water. It's clear and loud and not "tinny". I even sometimes listen to music on it. And my phone calls have never been clearer on both sides.

Which bring me back to my post of a few minutes ago expressing my concern that Apple is falling off in maintaining their hardware quality. It seems there are a lot of variations in quality of finished units. Some people end up with multiple serious flawed phones or notice variations between theirs and those of friends and families.

We now seem to have too many "lotteries" going. I was considering myself a winner of all the various lotteries, even loving my Samsing chip, but lately have been having odd glitches that make me wonder if something is going amiss with my hardware.

I can't get tell if there's a hardware or software problem going on. Right now everything is too random and non-recurring for me to try to isolate a single or multiple cause. I just know things were flawless and now they're mostly flawless with a different daily "gotcha".
 
My speaker on my 6s Plus is really good. Blows my iPhone 6Plus speaker out of the water. It's clear and loud and not "tinny". I even sometimes listen to music on it. And my phone calls have never been clearer on both sides.

Which bring me back to my post of a few minutes ago expressing my concern that Apple is falling off in maintaining their hardware quality. It seems there are a lot of variations in quality of finished units. Some people end up with multiple serious flawed phones or notice variations between theirs and those of friends and families.

We now seem to have too many "lotteries" going. I was considering myself a winner of all the various lotteries, even loving my Samsing chip, but lately have been having odd glitches that make me wonder if something is going amiss with my hardware.

I can't get tell if there's a hardware or software problem going on. Right now everything is too random and non-recurring for me to try to isolate a single or multiple cause. I just know things were flawless and now they're mostly flawless with a different daily "gotcha".

Hey Grumps. What are you judging the speaker quality on? My 6S+ is fine for calls, alert tones and ringtones. It's clear, crisp and plenty loud enough. In most respects it is probably better than the 6+ in these regards.

However, when it comes to music playback there is no comparison for me. The 6+ loudspeaker was warm, had rolled-off treble and rich lower mids. It even had a stab at some bass and was non-fatiguing to listen to. The 6S+ is extremely bright, fatiguing and has zero bass. The lower mids are barely present and it is a considerable step backwards when it comes to music playback. I find it painful to listen to and it hurts my ears.

I don't believe that my speaker is bad because I've had a few 6S+ now due to various faults, and they all had lousy loudspeakers.

PS, sorry to hear about your glitches.:(
 
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