Your statement Is Rather bleak . The iPhone 6s and iPhone 8 have quite a few differences with the camera, display improvements, water resistance rating, wireless charging, stereo speakers, battery life, etc. I would say it's a fairly decent upgrade for those coming from a 6s to the iPhone 8, but from the iPhone 7 to the iPhone 8 would be more Comparable.
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Your statement Is Rather bleak . The iPhone 6s and iPhone 8 have quite a few differences with the camera, display improvements, water resistance rating, wireless charging, stereo speakers, battery life, etc. I would say it's a fairly decent upgrade for those coming from a 6s to the iPhone 8, but from the iPhone 7 to the iPhone 8 would be more Comparable.
Your first sentence is completely false. Because you wouldn't have a way of knowing that without actual numbers until Apple reports them. Way to early know otherwise. Fuerhermore, the iPhone 8 will still out sell the iPhone X guaranteed. Simply because of the price point and availability. Which Is exactly why there is no way of determining numbers a week after it launches.
Why would Apple have two separate Keynotes for an iPhone event? An October keynote separate from the iPhone 8 wouldn't directly benefit the iPhone X any less if the debuted together or separately.
x-evil-x
macrumors 603
I’m wrong you’re right. It’s the way it is right? Want to put money on this being the worst launch for an iPhone in history? I can pick up an 8 tomorrow. There has never ever been an iPhone launch that you can walk into a store and pick them up within a week of launch.
I’m done arguing with someone that is always right.
And I don't wager or make bets on a tech forum number one. And if you want to deflect away from what your first sentence stated, then at least for the sake of discussion admit that you don't have evidence proving otherwise. The iPhone 8 will successfully outsell the iPhone X long term. Even if the iPhone eight is widely available, that doesn't make it a failure. It just means everybody updates differently from every iPhone and or are waiting for the new iPhone X. And you still didn't acknowledge why Apple would have to separate keynotes for two iPhones. That alone is asinine for the sake of launching two iPhone models, which again, won't affect the iPhone X sales any less, nor does it directly negatively impact the 8.
Why is that so bad?
As a customer, I much rather prefer to be able to get the product I want, when I want it, rather than having to wait for weeks for it to come back in stock.
x-evil-x
macrumors 603
It’s not bad if you want a mediocre update with the newer hardware coming in a month. I personally would love all iPhones I’ve bought for 9 years now to be available as much as this 8 launch.
I wouldn’t of had to wait in line the whole night for 3g, 4, 6+. The other pre orders have been nice even though it was frustrating dealing with sellouts within the first 10 minutes of pre orders.
It’s a good thing having availability if you want what they are offering.
So it was a great launch for those customers who wanted it. 🙂
x-evil-x
macrumors 603
How do you justify what is a mediocre update depending on what somebody's upgrading from? You could have an iPhone user that upgrading from the iPhone 6 to the iPhone 8, and that's a fairly dramatic increase in performance and other hardware advances over the iPhone 6. (Given the fact it's the same chassis) The iPhone 8 will be successful in its own right. User your opinions on a tech site regarding unannounced sales numbers is rarely indicative of real world experience.
You're also not factoring, not everybody can afford the iPhone X or they simply are not interested in the iPhone X With Face ID, the notch or what have you.
I could afford it but chose the 8+ as it was a great upgrade from my 6 and offered me the best value for money.
That was exactly my point. Everybody is upgrading differently from different model iPhones. Personally for me, I will upgrade to the X, because I don't see my iPhone 7 Plus being worth the investment to the iPhone 8. For someone like yourself, you have an iPhone 6, which is superseded by an iPhone three years newer, which I'm sure offers plenty capabilities of what your expectations were.
Yes, it's a massive leap up from the 6 and I'm more than pleased with it. The X looks great (though I'm still not sure about that notch) but doesn't offer enough to tempt me to pay another 25% extra.
maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
Seems if you want to define a launch's success by how many people are camping out, or not being in stock, then yes I agree. The numbers will certainly not be as high as prior iPhone launches but that doesn't mean its the worst. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if Apple had a lower expectation of the 8.
Tbh, I'm not sure why they called it an 8, when in reality its a 7s given the updated offered. I can see people being underwhelmed by it if they owned a 7, or even a 6s. Given the high prices of these phone I tend not to upgrade annually so the level of change seems greater when comparing my current phone vs. what the 8 represents. Still, I've not ordered the 8, but I'm just sayin 🙂
how was your adjusment from your 6 to the bigger 8 Plus? Was it hard?
Cause I am torn between the 8 Plus and X (coming from a 7)
It takes a bit of getting used to but I'm getting there and the 6 now seems tiny after only a couple of days use.
The name is all marketing. Obviously, you got another high end iphone coming but they want to sell this one too. They learned their lesson with the 5C so this one is more premium on the outside but it's still positioned the same. BTW..someone said a phone with newer hardware is coming. It's not newer, just different.
But even if the name is all marketing, it's still disappointing to see it. Apple shouldn't have to do that but it shows they had the same concerns. Low sales. And it's a bit deceitful. Just as I don't quite believe the "97% customer satisfaction" numbers they always go on about (think that was said about the watch). Prior events had those insane numbers tossed around too. That's absurd but let's hope they don't really believe that. I can't see Jobs up there spouting this stuff with a straight face.
The takeaway is that Apple shouldn't feel the need to exaggerate customer satisfaction numbers or bump an S upgrade up to try to boost sales.
x-evil-x
macrumors 603
which iPhone in your eyes would be the worst launched iPhone then? Yes, we don't know numbers yet but there is a ton of speculation about the 8 8+ launch.
Im sure apple knew it wasnt going to be a high selling launch when they announced a newer hardware phone alongside a basically same as last year model. Im not sure their strategy here besides just constraints and giving people an option for a semi new phone for those people on older phones on their last legs. The way they are keeping around so many old models for different price points makes me think that apples strategy is just to get rid of as much inventory as possible. It never used to be like this.
maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
My definition of worst is not yours. Any launch that I wanted a phone but could not get one.
People as I mentioned, are counting the number of people camping, or availability and from that perspective the iPhone 8's launch is lack luster.
Personally, its not something I'm worked up about one way or another.
The difference from the 7 Plus to the 8 Plus imho is negligible.
The difference from the 6s Plus for me is huge. The 8 Plus is light years ahead of my old phone. I had debated ordering and so glad that I did.
The phone is heavier and feels a lot sturdier. It is also easier to grip and handle in everyday life, as opposed to the 6s Plus which was like holding butter with it slipping all the time. This is a phone that you could use without a case for the first time in years.
The camera is a lot better on the 8 Plus and portrait mode is incredible.
I also found the replacement of the home button to a digital surface is a nice touch and the haptic feedback you get throughout the system is a nice feature to have as you have no doubt as to what your interactions are doing when using the device.
Battery performance is also a huge improvement over the 6s Plus for me. I used to get to the end of the day with around 20%, in comparison I am near 50% now.
The wireless charging is also a game changer for me, no more replacing worn charging cables all of the time.
I must add though, even if I sell my old 6s Plus 128gb model for £300, I have spent £500 on upgrading my phone after two years. If I keep this for the next two years then in effect, the cost to me is £20 per month which for the added features and the look of the new phone is justifiable.
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x-evil-x
macrumors 603
im basing a good or bad launch on if it is a good or bad launch for apple as one should. It shouldn't matter what one individual buying habits are as that doesn't make sense on a good or bad launch business wise.
If I base the launches over the past 10 years on headache value for me I would rate all of them pretty horribly.
JediZenMaster
Suspended
Mediocre update? Have you compared the specs of the 8 vs the X?
With the exception of some changes to the front facing camera, FACE ID, no home button and an OLED panel which may be less quality than what Samsung is using in its devices the 8 and the X have the same exact specs.
x-evil-x
macrumors 603
I posted in another thread
camera/camera's
Color design(silver with black front is very nice I've been asking for black front with lighter color for a long time)
Screen is much much better(its the main thing honestly as its what you interact with-It matters the most)
Stainless steel band(another quality feeling upgrade)
Form factor(coming from a plus model thats been hard to handle at times over the past 3 years it is a huge feature)
These alone to me is a nice upgrade from a 6S or 7.
TravisPNW
macrumors 6502a
Yes to both. The display looks a lot better... brighter... colors jump out at you.
The phone itself is much faster... A9 to A11 chip.
akash.nu
macrumors G4
If you’re questioning then definitely not for you. 6S is still relevant and powerful enough. If I had it I’d have not bought the 8 plus this year.
nviz22
Cancelled
I probably would've returned the 8+ if I bought one because it wouldn't have been worth the upgrade for me. I am content with my Android side of things though. Hard to beat the Note 8. I would've gone Pixel or LG G6 to save money if I didn't get the Note 8 on a deal, pending my carrier approval for BOGO.