sunking101
macrumors 604
It's more that they got it wrong with the 6+. The Air2 should absolutely have a minimum of 2GB RAM, so Apple didn't do anything weird and wonderful by making sure it had enough.
Whose in....no 2 GB RAM, no 6s?
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sunking101
macrumors 604
I'd take a bit of lag over reloading ANY day of the week and besides, data-heavy websites lag and crash with the best of 'em.
Bobby Corwen
macrumors 68030
More people not understanding how RAM works and how it has nothing to do with anything other than reloading...
When i go on my iPad Air 2 for a couple hours, and then, switch to my iPhone 6+ --the phone feels much snappier, faster, more fluid.
Its smaller.
So. It feels smoother.
I would say my iPhone 6+ with 1GB of RAM feels faster than my iPad Air 2 with 2GB of RAM. And in turn my iPhone 5S feels faster than both.
This of course is just a dumb illusion.
All three are perfectly smooth and have the appropriate amount of resources for what I do on them and the size that they animate at.
Most people can't really comprehend this concept tho. I know, its a tough one to grasp. Bigger screens feel slower but they aren't underpowered.
When i go on my iPad Air 2 for a couple hours, and then, switch to my iPhone 6+ --the phone feels much snappier, faster, more fluid.
Its smaller.
So. It feels smoother.
I would say my iPhone 6+ with 1GB of RAM feels faster than my iPad Air 2 with 2GB of RAM. And in turn my iPhone 5S feels faster than both.
This of course is just a dumb illusion.
All three are perfectly smooth and have the appropriate amount of resources for what I do on them and the size that they animate at.
Most people can't really comprehend this concept tho. I know, its a tough one to grasp. Bigger screens feel slower but they aren't underpowered.
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sunking101
macrumors 604
I can totally comprehend that 1GB is sufficient for you because you tell us all the time.
Bobby Corwen
macrumors 68030
Wow. The hypocrisy in this post is unprecedented. lol.
sunking101
macrumors 604
Yeah but you said that most people can't comprehend that all three Apple products you own are smooth, perfect, flawless etc and have the appropriate amount of resources for how you use them. We comprehend it.
While your perception is valid, I have looked at the 6+, 6, 5S, 2nd gen mini, and Air 2. My ranking in overall performance is: Air 2, 5S, 6, 6+, mini 2. You're right, they're not.underpowered, but they could easily be that much better with an extra gig of RAM. Every device has that kind of tradeoff. The fact that bigger screen devices feel slower to you says something in and of itself. For me, the device feels slower than another one because it just is. It just so happens that they gradually increase in screen size until you hit the iPad air 2. You can't honestly tell me that the 5S performs just as well as the mini 2. In everyday uses it is better than the mini 2. This difference shows in the multitasking capability because the apps themselves (when loaded) work just fine; minus Safari.
Your condescending attitude is getting annoying. Maybe learn how larger screen devices that have many more pixels than the lower resolution, smaller devices, use more memory simply because.of their iGPUs having to render those higher resolutions.
Bobby Corwen
macrumors 68030
Hey.
Have you ever seen this?
You keep crying pixels pixels it's underpowered!
But do u realize to what a small degree that is? It's like peeing in the ocean.
It's not science. It's not logical at all.
Youre taking a small fact, and stretching it out way beyond proportion.
When this beast of a phone has to deal with a few million more pixels it does so just fine.
This tiny performance difference isn't the reason for it to slow down. Mathematically these are the facts via benchmarks. Even the 5S chip could have powered the 6+ screen in theory.
You guys just have bugs and need reinstalls if u have problems.
There is not logic or science in these criticisms. Nobody has any sense of context or to what degree something is true.
The only reason people think the 6+ is slower is because it looks bigger like the illusion I was describing above, or if it really is lagging, then they need a fresh reinstall!
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Hey.
Have you ever seen this?
You keep crying pixels pixels it's underpowered!
But do u realize to what a small degree that is? It's like peeing in the ocean.
It's not science. It's not logical at all.
Youre taking a small fact, and stretching it out way beyond proportion.
When this beast of a phone has to deal with a few million more pixels it does so just fine.
This tiny performance difference isn't the reason for it to slow down. Mathematically these are the facts via benchmarks. Even the 5S chip could have powered the 6+ screen in theory.
You guys just have bugs and need reinstalls if u have problems.
There is not logic or science in these criticisms. Nobody has any sense of context or to what degree something is true.
The only reason people think the 6+ is slower is because it looks bigger like the illusion I was describing above, or if it really is lagging, then they need a fresh reinstall!
So, your evidence is a graph of a benchmark that tests JavaScript performance? That has little to do with the complaints brought forward here. Of course the A7 can power the 6+, it does power the mini 2 and Air after all. There is plenty of logic in the complaints here, you just won't allow yourself to see any opinion but your own. Why can't you just accept that people have issues with the way the iPhone 6/6+ function? You seem immune to the issues that others have, so lucky you...
The 6+ has lag. If you can't notice it then good for you, others can.
i gave that possibility a benefit of a doubt. Then I dropped my iPhone and Apple had to send it out to something called a Depot for repair because their calibration machine at the store was not working. So they gave me an almost identical loaner, only it was a16 GB instead of 128 GB model. I did not restore from backup. We simply popped my phone's sim into the loaner and set up the loaner fresh. I didn't download any apps to it. Yet I still ran into browser crashes and freezes and lags in the camera operation and some other quirks that plagued my original. My husband has the same phone I do and does not report any problems but I think it's because he doesn't use his phone in a way that triggers these issues the way I do.
He doesn't often use his camera and when he does and it does act up on him I notice he doesn't really notice the little freezes and hiccups anyway. When I point them out and tell him this is what I was complaining about all this time I can tell he is shrugging it off even as we speak.
I'm not picky at all. I am an early adopter of the Apple Watch and have tremendous patience and tolerance with it. But I can't help but notice as time goes on and the iOS gets updated that both my iPad mini 2 and my iPhone 6 Plus are getting that dated hiccupy feeling my 23 year old car has.
sunking101
macrumors 604
It's true, the 6+ has that 'old' feeling like you've had it 24 months and installed a couple of major iOS updates already. It has felt dated/underspecced/poorly designed since I took it out of the box. It's a real shame because some more RAM and less iOS bugs would have made it a decent phone. I love the screen, battery life and quality loudspeaker but those features are only sugar coating what is a poor iPhone release. I maintain that the iPhone 5 is easily the best of the 5/5S/6/6+ contingent. I didn't drop £699 on this to have a woeful experience for 12 months and then *need* to upgrade to the 6S. I fully intended keeping this two years but September can't come quickly enough.
Bobby Corwen
macrumors 68030
I have never had Safari crash in all my time with the phone sorry. I can't relate. What type of websites does it glitch on?
How did it lag with the camera?
Are you referring to when switching to landscape mode by any chance?
To me it always feels like there is an abundant amount of power making everything run fine underneath.
As opposed to say iPhone 4 for example that felt like it was really pushing the limit processing GUI and basic framework stuff. That was the last time basic menu functions and windows were working hard. From then on the processing power seemed to outrun the OS GUI.
My 6+ feels like it has power to spare for the basic tasks.
I do remember early 8.0 bugs but those have long since passed.
There are many of us who don't really have issues anymore. Hopefully it works out when you get another one I guess.
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Wow you've never had Safari crash? I get that often. I also have pages freeze in mid loading, go white, then reload with a notice saying there was a problem with this page and it must be reloaded. That happens often on blog or news sites especially ones that have the DISQUS comments sections.
I had it do the freeze and reload thing on one of the major news sites when I was trying to read about the Charleston shooting. I can't remember if that was an ABC for Fox News page. This was on the loaner phone. My regular phone and my IPad 2 mini crash to desktop and do the freeze and reload thing. For a long time I thought there was something wrong with my iPhone but then my iPad was doing this, too.
I can understand your frustration with Sunking and I appreciate your patience with me. The conversations between you and Sunking are like the ones between me and my husband. My husband would totally agree with you. He thinks his 6plus is the best phone he has ever had. And for him it is. I don't think he has any plans to upgrade to the S generation. He and I use the iPhone differently and for him, his apps run smoothly and he values the device mostly for phone and email and music playback. However I do catch him having freezes and all crashes, too,and some of these are on apps we both use, like some real estate apps we use to track our local housing market. I just notice these little freezes or crashes do not seem to register with him at all. He insists his phone is great.
The camera lags include pauses that happen when I activate the camera. It's just very slow to go from whatever it was displaying previously to camera mode. There's a thread around here about the camera lags and issues. I liked all the posts that described problems I also encountered. It's a bit much to try to fit into this already long post.
I did also have early bugs and other oddities that I also did fix. I removed outdated apps that were holdovers from my IPhone 5s days that had never been updated. I trouble-shooted most of my quirkiest problems. Now I'm left with more generic ones that others here report. Well it's 12:42 here and I'm starting to get groggy and I noticed my last few sentences didn't make much sense, so I'll pick this up tomorrow.
Edit to add I just corrected the part where I say my husband uses his phone for Internet. He uses it for email. I'm the one who uses it for Internet and that's where I get much of my lagging and crashing and freezing. My husband gets Internet content via news apps and RSS feeds. When he shops he uses apps. I use Safari. He has a smoother experience on his phone because he uses it differently.
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terraphantm
macrumors 68040
Hey.
Have you ever seen this?
You keep crying pixels pixels it's underpowered!
But do u realize to what a small degree that is? It's like peeing in the ocean.
It's not science. It's not logical at all.
Youre taking a small fact, and stretching it out way beyond proportion.
When this beast of a phone has to deal with a few million more pixels it does so just fine.
This tiny performance difference isn't the reason for it to slow down. Mathematically these are the facts via benchmarks. Even the 5S chip could have powered the 6+ screen in theory.
You guys just have bugs and need reinstalls if u have problems.
There is not logic or science in these criticisms. Nobody has any sense of context or to what degree something is true.
The only reason people think the 6+ is slower is because it looks bigger like the illusion I was describing above, or if it really is lagging, then they need a fresh reinstall!
That has next to nothing to do with the RAM. The iPhone has a pretty decent CPU and a good implementation of javascript -- which is what those results show us. So if you run a small script, the iPhone will be extremely fast. But in the real world, things tend to require more memory - and that's where these phones choke
Shirasaki
macrumors P6
Apple device works fine on this doesn't mean its performance is maxed out.Hey.
Have you ever seen this?
You keep crying pixels pixels it's underpowered!
But do u realize to what a small degree that is? It's like peeing in the ocean.
It's not science. It's not logical at all.
Youre taking a small fact, and stretching it out way beyond proportion.
When this beast of a phone has to deal with a few million more pixels it does so just fine.
This tiny performance difference isn't the reason for it to slow down. Mathematically these are the facts via benchmarks. Even the 5S chip could have powered the 6+ screen in theory.
You guys just have bugs and need reinstalls if u have problems.
There is not logic or science in these criticisms. Nobody has any sense of context or to what degree something is true.
The only reason people think the 6+ is slower is because it looks bigger like the illusion I was describing above, or if it really is lagging, then they need a fresh reinstall!
More memory could give applications and system more room to complete job. According to your theory, we don't need to buy new devices because this one works really fine.
Hey.
Have you ever seen this?
You keep crying pixels pixels it's underpowered!
But do u realize to what a small degree that is? It's like peeing in the ocean.
It's not science. It's not logical at all.
Youre taking a small fact, and stretching it out way beyond proportion.
When this beast of a phone has to deal with a few million more pixels it does so just fine.
This tiny performance difference isn't the reason for it to slow down. Mathematically these are the facts via benchmarks. Even the 5S chip could have powered the 6+ screen in theory.
You guys just have bugs and need reinstalls if u have problems.
There is not logic or science in these criticisms. Nobody has any sense of context or to what degree something is true.
The only reason people think the 6+ is slower is because it looks bigger like the illusion I was describing above, or if it really is lagging, then they need a fresh reinstall!
I change another place to show my own thought.
According to others reply, this graph is a result for JavaScript test, which just represents a small portion of performance on web browsing. You know how narrow and limited your proof is now, right? You focuses solely on JavaScript performance during web browsing. But there are LOTS of performance factors when you are browsing the web, such as multimedia loading, CSS rendering, and HTML decoding, many many more which I don't even know the basic of everything when I am viewing a macrumor page.
And, if we have problems, we would better choose to solve the problem before nuking everything and starting from scratch. No one has the time to recover information after reinstalling system, and this is not funny at all.
Shirasaki
macrumors P6
We cannot ignore user experience, but going to this way too far could also cause problems as well, which is what his statement undoing.Wow you've never had Safari crash? I get that often. I also have pages freeze in mid loading, go white, then reload with a notice saying there was a problem with this page and it must be reloaded. That happens often on blog or news sites especially ones that have the DISQUS comments sections.
I had it do the freeze and reload thing on one of the major news sites when I was trying to read about the Charleston shooting. I can't remember if that was an ABC for Fox News page. This was on the loaner phone. My regular phone and my IPad 2 mini crash to desktop and do the freeze and reload thing. For a long time I thought there was something wrong with my iPhone but then my iPad was doing this, too.
I can understand your frustration with Sunking and I appreciate your patience with me. The conversations between you and Sunking are like the ones between me and my husband. My husband would totally agree with you. He thinks his 6plus is the best phone he has ever had. And for him it is. I don't think he has any plans to upgrade to the S generation. He and I use the iPhone differently and for him, his apps run smoothly and he values the device mostly for phone and email and music playback. However I do catch him having freezes and all crashes, too,and some of these are on apps we both use, like some real estate apps we use to track our local housing market. I just notice these little freezes or crashes do not seem to register with him at all. He insists his phone is great.
The camera lags include pauses that happen when I activate the camera. It's just very slow to go from whatever it was displaying previously to camera mode. There's a thread around here about the camera lags and issues. I liked all the posts that described problems I also encountered. It's a bit much to try to fit into this already long post.
I did also have early bugs and other oddities that I also did fix. I removed outdated apps that were holdovers from my IPhone 5s days that had never been updated. I trouble-shooted most of my quirkiest problems. Now I'm left with more generic ones that others here report. Well it's 12:42 here and I'm starting to get groggy and I noticed my last few sentences didn't make much sense, so I'll pick this up tomorrow.
Edit to add I just corrected the part where I say my husband uses his phone for Internet. He uses it for email. I'm the one who uses it for Internet and that's where I get much of my lagging and crashing and freezing. My husband gets Internet content via news apps and RSS feeds. When he shops he uses apps. I use Safari. He has a smoother experience on his phone because he uses it differently.
What prediction and who is laughing?
regkilla
macrumors 6502
About the upcoming iPhone 6S Plus having 2 GB of RAM.
Seems like plenty of people would like to see that and almost expect it.
I wouldn't exactly call that "your prediction". It was considered more then likely after the 6 was released and common knowledge after the iPad Air 2 was released.
Well, I hope they surprise us with 3gb instead. Lol.
regkilla
macrumors 6502
3 GB RAM would be better.