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Why abandon touchid

Pelea said:
it's 100x more convenient to use, has basically no downsides compared to faceid in real world usage, it's faster and we've already been through 2 generations of making it more consistent and reliable.

faceid is worse to use during winter (when you're wearing lots of clothes covering ur face), it's harder to use in class, in the morning when you just woke up, during meetings when you need to quickly glance at ur phone for 1 second etc.

there's 0 advantages to faceid besides being "slightly more secure" which really isn't an issue at all with touchid for 99.9% of the population.

at least keep touchid on the next few standard iphones and keep the faceid crap for the x and future versions of the x
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There aren’t ‘standard iphones’. The iPhone X is the future of iPhones. You won’t be seeing non-X style unless next year they can’t reduce the price and they have to release LCD one more year.
 
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m4v3r1ck said:
What happens if you have had a major facial injury, will you be locked out of your iPhone from then ever since? Just thinking out loud.

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What happens if your’re diffusing a bomb and have your hands blown off?

What happens if you’re falsely accused of stealing in Saudi Arabia and have your hands chopped off?

Just thinking aloud.
 
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How does OP know so much about a feature on an unreleased product they haven’t used yet? Somehow they even know there are zero advantages! How did you get that insider info considering you’ve never even touched an iPhone X in your life?? :rolleyes:
 
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nfl46 said:
I, for one, am excited about it. I complained about the no headphone jack, now it's difficult to use wired headphones again after purchasing the AirPods. I believe Apple ultimate goal is a iPhone with zero buttons on it.
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That’s not the goal. Buttons are good. Buttons are intelligent design. The side buttons being physical, tactile buttons allows a human to feel them and press them through pants for example. This is optimal design for a human. If for example you replaced those buttons with solid-state buttons then you have a problem due to engineering. That problem is the inability to place Taptic engines at the top of the phone directly beside those buttons. This means that you would never get even close to a good feedback from these.

A caveat to this is that once the iPhone can read your mind through brainwave analytics, then the side button, volume buttons, and mute switch can be removed, increasing water and dust resistance, aesthetic, and internal space.
 
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m4v3r1ck said:
What happens if you have had a major facial injury, will you be locked out of your iPhone from then ever since? Just thinking out loud.

Cheers
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They say no unless it changes the structure of your face. If it’s that bad you will have much bigger worries and your phone will be obsolete before you can use it again.

And I believe you can still open with passcode, someone needs to confirm that though. Confirmed above
 
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TouchID fail happen to me all the time when I’m in cold and ry room and my fingers keep sweating so it never work for me. So I hope for something like FaceID to comes.
 
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Pelea said:
it's 100x more convenient to use, has basically no downsides compared to faceid in real world usage, it's faster and we've already been through 2 generations of making it more consistent and reliable.

faceid is worse to use during winter (when you're wearing lots of clothes covering ur face), it's harder to use in class, in the morning when you just woke up, during meetings when you need to quickly glance at ur phone for 1 second etc.

there's 0 advantages to faceid besides being "slightly more secure" which really isn't an issue at all with touchid for 99.9% of the population.

at least keep touchid on the next few standard iphones and keep the faceid crap for the x and future versions of the x
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Your cold climate argument is one of the same arguments people used against Touch ID. I keep telling people, unless you have somehow gotten hands on experience with FaceID already, try not to knock it before you try it.
 
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The same reason they removed the headphone jack. Many use Bluetooth headphones now so it seems legit that people don’t use fingers anymore.
 
Apple will see how the X does with FaceID.
I personally wouldn't know how I would want FaceID until I use it.
I dismissed fingerprint sensor before, thinking the pattern lock on Android to be the way to go. I was way wrong, with Apple perfecting TouchID in the 6S. Now I make sure whatever phone I purchase has fingerprint sensor. The same thing could happen with FaceID.
 
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pika2000 said:
Apple will see how the X does with FaceID.
I personally wouldn't know how I would want FaceID until I use it.
I dismissed fingerprint sensor before, thinking the pattern lock on Android to be the way to go. I was way wrong, with Apple perfecting TouchID in the 6S. Now I make sure whatever phone I purchase has fingerprint sensor. The same thing could happen with FaceID.
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Obviously the only logical answer at this point. I wonder how many similar threads were posted before Touch ID came out.
 
Newtons Apple said:
I am betting that if Apple could have got Touch ID to work through the OLED screen, we would not even be hearing about FaceID.

They sure tried for months and months to get touchID to work so that kinda proves that faceID was a 2nd choice.
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It is pretty well documented that Apple was wanting have Touch ID through the OLED screen. Was much written about it for months.
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A lot of what you're quoting is not accurate, because it was based on rumors, not factual evidence. It was also well documented that Face ID was the primary source for Apples new form of security. Touch ID was always Plan B, when Apple was able to execute Face ID, they abandoned touch ID altogether. Craig Federighi himself confirmed this. The idea that Face ID with some rush job due to Apple not getting touch ID embedded under the display was completely false. Apple did confirm they were experimenting with touch ID under the display, but they never stated if it was a failure or not, because they moved completely away from it for Face ID once it was successful.

Here is the interview with John Gruber. There's also an audio interview I believe as well with Craig Federighi discussing Face ID and touch ID.

https://daringfireball.net/2017/09/iphone_x_event_thoughts_and_observations
 
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Relentless Power said:
A lot of what you're quoting is not accurate, because it was based on rumors, not factual evidence. It was also well documented that Face ID was the primary source for Apples new form of security. Touch ID was always Plan B, when Apple was able to execute Face ID, they abandoned touch ID altogether. Craig Federighi himself confirmed this. The idea that Face ID with some rush job due to Apple not getting touch ID embedded under the display was completely false. Apple did confirm they were experimenting with touch ID under the display, but they never stated if it was a failure or not, because they moved completely away from it for Face ID once it was successful.

Here is the interview with John Gruber. There's also an audio interview I believe as well with Craig Federighi discussing Face ID and touch ID.

https://daringfireball.net/2017/09/iphone_x_event_thoughts_and_observations
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If you believe that's the real truth.. then you must be very naive.
What did you expect him to say? Admit that they failed miserably trying to integrate Touch-ID under the display and they had to fall back to Face-ID?
 
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serialiphoneuser said:
If you believe that's the real truth.. then you must be very naive.
What did you expect him to say? Admit that they failed miserably trying to integrate Touch-ID under the display and they had to fall back to Face-ID?
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I’m no expert but it would seem like the cost of developing Face ID would be prohibitive for a “backup” solution.
 
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serialiphoneuser said:
If you believe that's the real truth.. then you must be very naive.
What did you expect him to say? Admit that they failed miserably trying to integrate Touch-ID under the display and they had to fall back to Face-ID?
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I certainly wouldn't expect Craig Federighi to lie either. Plus we don't have any factual evidence that touch ID failed under the display. The fact that he was even open about it and it openly admitted that touch ID was Plan B, leads me to believe that Face ID truly was a new way of Apple experimenting with this technology for well over a year.

Do you truly believe that Face ID was some rush job because touch ID would not work under the display? I don't believe that at all. I believe Apple heavily invested in Face ID because they wanted to change technology and the way security was used. Not To mention, Apple firmly believes that Face ID is their future

Edit: A Quick glance at your previous posts clearly indicates that your anti-Face ID. So naturally you're going to dispute even what Federighi clearly stated in an interview regardless, Even if he is the source himself over a rumor.
 
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m4v3r1ck said:
What happens if you have had a major facial injury, will you be locked out of your iPhone from then ever since? Just thinking out loud.

Cheers
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Just like if someone one minute has a full blown beard and shaves it off. You enter in your passcode for it to say “it’s still me, but with no beard”.

You will have to just enter in the passcode once to “update” your FaceID.
 
My issue with face ID is that your image can be used in other ways. Those on FB already know that your friends, and family can be ID’d from photos. Hover over their image and their name pops up. Having a database with my face ID does not sit right with me. Especially in times of frequent data breaches. The information can be used by others in my absence. Even if the info is claimed to stay on my device, I don’t trust it.

At least with Touch ID they need your finger. As long as my fingers are attached I don’t have to worry.
 
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