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My issue with face ID is that your image can be used in other ways. Those on FB already know that your friends, and family can be ID’d from photos. Hover over their image and their name pops up. Having a database with my face ID does not sit right with me. Especially in times of frequent data breaches. The information can be used by others in my absence. Even if the info is claimed to stay on my device, I don’t trust it.

At least with Touch ID they need your finger. As long as my fingers are attached I don’t have to worry.
They need your face for FaceId. This isn’t the same as any other face identification system that’s previously been used. 3d is much more secure then 2d.
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They were out of options. Face-ID is very likely a last-ditch effort to make up for the lack of Touch-ID.
They bought the company that invented it a couple of years ago. Not quite a last ditch attempt.
 
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They were out of options. Face-ID is very likely a last-ditch effort to make up for the lack of Touch-ID.

So what evidence do you have that indicates that Face ID "was a last ditch effort", even when Federighi stated himself that was completely false and never true. So should we trust your anecdotal opinion over a software engineer for Apple? If Federighi was lying, then why would he even openly talk about it in the first place. Again, I think you're just anti-Face ID, which there's nothing wrong with that, but you can't make knee-jerk assertions based off nothing.

Not to mention, the amount of research and development that went into Face ID, hardly a last ditch effort.
 
My issue with face ID is that your image can be used in other ways. Those on FB already know that your friends, and family can be ID’d from photos. Hover over their image and their name pops up. Having a database with my face ID does not sit right with me. Especially in times of frequent data breaches. The information can be used by others in my absence. Even if the info is claimed to stay on my device, I don’t trust it.

At least with Touch ID they need your finger. As long as my fingers are attached I don’t have to worry.

What?

This isn’t Samsung we’re talking about here. FaceID won’t be fooled by a photo. It’s a 3D map of your face. Highly secure (technically more secure than a finger print)

Also you won’t have to worry about data breaches. Your FaceID data is securely stored on a separate chip in the device called the Secure Enclave. The same way your current TouchID data is stored.
 
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They need your face for FaceId. This isn’t the same as any other face identification system that’s previously been used. 3d is much more secure then 2d.
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They bought the company that invented it a couple of years ago. Not quite a last ditch attempt.

The phone scans your face and saves the digital data of your features. Of course it needs your face to open your phone, but the digital data about your features could be used to identify you on a store camera as well if your phone gets hacked. I don’t want everyone to know I was shopping at Victoria’s Secret... for my wife.... That info can be shared.... with my wife :)
 
The phone scans your face and saves the digital data of your features. Of course it needs your face to open your phone, but the digital data about your features could be used to identify you on a store camera as well if your phone gets hacked. I don’t want everyone to know I was shopping at Victoria’s Secret... for my wife.... That info can be shared.... with my wife :)

Again...what?

I think you’re very confused about what FaceID even is.
 
it's 100x more convenient to use, has basically no downsides compared to faceid in real world usage, it's faster and we've already been through 2 generations of making it more consistent and reliable.

faceid is worse to use during winter (when you're wearing lots of clothes covering ur face), it's harder to use in class, in the morning when you just woke up, during meetings when you need to quickly glance at ur phone for 1 second etc.

there's 0 advantages to faceid besides being "slightly more secure" which really isn't an issue at all with touchid for 99.9% of the population.

at least keep touchid on the next few standard iphones and keep the faceid crap for the x and future versions of the x

You have no clue if it’s easier or not nor do you know it has zero advantages as you don’t even have one to judge

This is the future if you don’t like it stay on what iPhone you have
 
I am betting that if Apple could have got Touch ID to work through the OLED screen, we would not even be hearing about FaceID.

They sure tried for months and months to get touchID to work so that kinda proves that faceID was a 2nd choice.

Or they realised how face ID could work they scrapped the under the display ID
 
They sure tried for months and months to get touchID to work so that kinda proves that faceID was a 2nd choice.

That doesn’t prove anything.

It’s widely known among and mentioned by many of the tech journalists (especially those who have actual insider knowledge) that Apple works on many prototypes at a time for each model.

IE iPhone X probably had a prototype for what we are getting, a prototype TouchID under the display only, a prototype with both FaceID and TouchID under the display, a prototype with no notch. So on and so on.

Another example is, Apple has prototypes of MacBooks running purely on their A series chips, void of an Intel chip. And have been for a least a couple years now.

They prototype the crap out of everything and come to a conclusion of if it’s viable/ready/not ready.

Many of the rumours of TouchID under the display could have very well been true, however it also could very well just been rumours based off one of many prototypes during development. Doesn’t necessarily means that was their focus and intent all along. Many ideas in prototypes never make it to a final product, ever.
 
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And you're basing all this on personal experience of Face ID are you? And perhaps while you're in class, you should be paying attention to what's going on in there and not what your friends are posting on Facebook.

actually i'm in uni and am allowed to use my phone in class. i just don't want to have to point it directly at my face every time like an idiot.
 
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actually i'm in uni and am allowed to use my phone in class. i just don't want to have to point it directly at my face every time like an idiot.

So buy an 8 and have a nice life. One more step up on the X list for me.
 
actually i'm in uni and am allowed to use my phone in class. i just don't want to have to point it directly at my face every time like an idiot.

Sounds more idiotic to make assumptions about something you've never even tried. Most people tend to look at their phone when they use it.
 
My issue with face ID is that your image can be used in other ways. Those on FB already know that your friends, and family can be ID’d from photos. Hover over their image and their name pops up. Having a database with my face ID does not sit right with me. Especially in times of frequent data breaches. The information can be used by others in my absence. Even if the info is claimed to stay on my device, I don’t trust it.

At least with Touch ID they need your finger. As long as my fingers are attached I don’t have to worry.

The scan of your face doesn’t leave the phone in exactly the same way as your fingerprint doesn’t now.

They were out of options. Face-ID is very likely a last-ditch effort to make up for the lack of Touch-ID.

Firstly that’s total conjecture and it doesn’t even really make sense.
 
The scan of your face doesn’t leave the phone in exactly the same way as your fingerprint doesn’t now.



Firstly that’s total conjecture and it doesn’t even really make sense.

The technology behind 3D facial recognition is not a let’s throw it together last minute when the finger print sensor couldn’t work.
I don’t know why people just can’t say I don’t like it and have to come up with these scenarios that just don’t matter.
I love the I need to unlock my phone without looking at it, what are you doing after you unlock it? Your looking at it.
 
Admittedly I haven’t used it, but FaceID just seems so... cheesy. Ooh, look at me, I can look at my phone and unlock it! It just seems so tacky to me.

Just my personal opinion, I know I’m gunna get ripped to shreds. :p

I’m more than happy with my 8 with TouchID, works lightning fast, barely have to touch it and it works. ;)
 
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My issue with face ID is that your image can be used in other ways. Those on FB already know that your friends, and family can be ID’d from photos. Hover over their image and their name pops up. Having a database with my face ID does not sit right with me. Especially in times of frequent data breaches. The information can be used by others in my absence. Even if the info is claimed to stay on my device, I don’t trust it.

At least with Touch ID they need your finger. As long as my fingers are attached I don’t have to worry.

That is absolutely not how FaceID works.

The map of your face is stored on the device itself and never leaves the device. Kinda now how TouchID works.

Can't get more secure than that.
 
My issue with face ID is that your image can be used in other ways. Those on FB already know that your friends, and family can be ID’d from photos. Hover over their image and their name pops up. Having a database with my face ID does not sit right with me. Especially in times of frequent data breaches. The information can be used by others in my absence. Even if the info is claimed to stay on my device, I don’t trust it.

At least with Touch ID they need your finger. As long as my fingers are attached I don’t have to worry.
Actually they converted data they scanned from your face into mathematical data and compare them to the one store on Secure Enclave. They not store image of your face at all.
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actually i'm in uni and am allowed to use my phone in class. i just don't want to have to point it directly at my face every time like an idiot.
It’s doesn’t need to point directly into your face.
 

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