Both rMBP I've received had this horrible color bleed. Both LG screens.
Unacceptable. Getting my 3rd rMBP and don't have high hopes.
Unacceptable. Getting my 3rd rMBP and don't have high hopes.
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Why can't apple stop using lg screens and just use Samsung.
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Samsung makes money off of Apple products. I'm not sure it would change much of anything. A settlement may result in Apple simply asking for a discount on wholesale parts. At worst for Sammy, they'll have to pay Apple for damages and go back to the drawing board with their Android UI skin and the industrial design of their phones. At worst for Apple, they'll have to pay Sammy's legal fees in addition to their own lawyers with nothing to show for it.
This is expected. Every screen with an A-TW polarizer shows a similar effect on very dark images (slight red and green hues at the corners). However the benefit of the A-TW polarizer is well worth it. Without it, you get glow like the monitor on the right shows. Both displays are IPS displays in this case - but IPS displays w/o that A-TW polarizer have really strong glow on dark screens when not viewed head on.
In the past, A-TW polarizers were only found on super-high end displays (NEC 2490 and 2690 for example). Currently the only monitors with them are 24" and cost more than $2k (HP 2480zx for example). Most companies dropped them due to cost. It's not a feature you want to lose.
Even at much smaller angles it makes a pretty striking difference
That's interesting to know. But what also bothered me was the fact on white, grey and black webpages I could easily see a slight color hue difference from right to left. The right side would be slightly whiter/pinkish and the left side would be warmer/yellower in color.
I also noticed at a certain angle the screen would shift to that pink hue. But I figured it was normal for ips displays because it does it on my iphone. I didn't think it was normal to be able to see it head on.
Its normal at angles, but it is weird head on. Do you notice it on other retina displays? Like on the machines they have out at the Apple stores or Best Buys? Someone in another thread mentioned that most of the ones on display at their local Apple Store were LG. I don't see these pinkish hues except for when viewing at extreme angles. This is still preferable to not seeing much of anything at all at odd viewing angles, as with displays that date before IPS and PLS.
It would be to hard to see it at the store with bright lights. And ya that's exactly what I figured, at weird extreme angles you can see a pinkish hue. But that didn't bother me.
Precisely. This is what also bugs me, and I'm still not convinced that it isn't a display manufacturing issue and that some displays don't have it. Again, the reason I say that is that on my two displays so far (and I've had both 1 LG AND 1 Samsung! so for you LG haters/Samsung lovers out there, it's not all perfect over here on the Samsung side of the fence), I can put my nose right up to the upper-right corner of the display and see white, and then I can put my nose right up to the lower-left corner of the display and see a darker off-white/yellow-ish tint. It's not just a matter of a viewing angle issue to the extreme sides of the display when viewing the whole display head-on from the center: on these two displays, there is a distinct difference in the white point and even distribution of the backlight from one part of the display to another!
As far as addressing the original point/question of this thread, I have to agree with others here that I don't think LG is inherently bad, and Samsung inherently superior. There are going to be bad apples in either barrel. But I do think that based on my own experiences, both of these manufacturers need to be held to a higher standard of manufacturing and build tolerances, and since Apple is their customer, they need to be the one to do it. The range of issues and the frequency of some of these issues is just ridiculous.
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If you read your link, it says that the differences of contrast, color accuracy, and brightness between the two panels are very difficult to notice. However, people complained more about the LG screen because it had worse shifting effects when viewing at angles.
Which is still irrelevant in this case because the 11" Air doesn't have an IPS display like the retina display does. IPS displays have 180 degree viewing angles.
Citing an article about the Air's display and trying to apply it to the retina display is dumb.
I wasn't saying have a single contract with Samsung, I said put down lg contract and maybe have a contract with Sony.
I am talking about the MBA and MBPr, my wife has the lg screen and it had a lack of color so I downloaded the color profile and all looked better.
There are issues with lg screens, and Samsung still has but not as many.
I am talking about the MBA and MBPr, my wife has the lg screen and it had a lack of color so I downloaded the color profile and all looked better.
There are issues with lg screens, and Samsung still has but not as many.
Maybe they should implement something similar to google's mail goggles on this forum...
Can you show me the study where they've proven to a reasonably high degree of statistical confidence that LG screens are more prone to defects than Samsung screens?
I obviously won't accept anecdotal evidence drawn from a biased sample on a forum that people generally go to if and only if they have an issue with their devices.
If you can't do this, then I'm going to have to assume that Apple has done their own studies which show that both displays are reasonably equivalent, and that neither has any rate of failure significant enough to pull one from the market.
Samsung here. I have one dark/dead pixel, but otherwise everything is gorgeous. Think I'm going to live with this one. If I start getting more dead pixels I will have the screen replaced when supply has met demand.
Normally that ii business.. samsung still selling electronic componnts to apple
All iMacs and Thunderbolt displays are.. LG.
And they are magnitudes better than the Retina display on the MBP.
You have no proof that there's a polarizer. What you know is that you're not affected by the issue that these things initially addressed. You do really need to stop jumping to conclusions. I haven't experienced much of the glow issue with newer designs in general.
They are most likely placebo. If both are on sale, this means they were both within Apple's approved tolerance levels. There's always some list of pass/fail standards. It's not an absolute thing, yet many on here don't seem to understand that.
The 2690 and the later 2490 didn't have polarizers. The original 2490 was popular because of this, but it hasn't been added to any newer designs that I've seen. The newer PA displays don't have polarizers. You're seeing a similar effect here, but there's nothing to prove this is the case. The costs of the HP are driven up by other things. They're lower volume displays that take more development time. Anyway I haven't seen much of the IPS glow issue on newer panels. The HP came out in 2008 or 2009, so it's a slightly older design (doesn't mean inferior). I haven't seen these in use on anything newer.
Lol. Apple is in the center of the war...
In few years, the storm might calm down because I think Tim is not as warlike as was Steve...
How to tell if your screen is an LG or Samsung screen:
If your screen sucks, it's an LG.
Probably hopeless, Tim Cook probably granted Steve's last dying wish to spend all of Apple's money destroying Android. And people still portray Apple and Steve Jobs as the good guys who "just have a passion for making good products" and didn't care as much about making money (ie. ********).
"I hate litigation, but we have to get rid of all our competitors somehow!" - Tim Cook
Apple and all the fanboys should just stop smoking the Kool-Aid and realize that Apple is holding the industry back, trying to grasp as straws to preserve its ever receding market share. Imagine where we would be today if only one company could use the keyboard, or the mouse, or the CRT screen on computers 30 years ago.
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I have an LG screen. I have been trying very very hard to reproduce the slightest ghosting. I cannot. My screen is absolutely gorgeous and I instead of enjoying it I am trying to find fault. Not without good reason tho - I only have 14 days to figure out if this is a keeper or not.
Anyway - I'll keep looking for a ghosting problem with my LG but the colors are very uniform, no yellow tinting, no light bleed in a dark room whatsoever and no ghosting.
Anyway - I'll keep looking for a ghosting problem with my LG but the colors are very uniform, no yellow tinting, no light bleed in a dark room whatsoever and no ghosting.