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Why do many Mac User believe that Macs have better hardware then all PCs

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They did if they want true security. Your whole arguement was security and you havent provided one fact proving how they are better than a simple password, nor provided a link to one company that is currently employing a laptops finger print reader as a security precaution. Its all in your head.
 
Like someone else said; I think people tend to compare cheap PC's/Laptops to Mac's. It's not just Apple users comparing to the cheap ones, it's the other way around too. PC Proponents often spout how they can get a better spec'd PC/Laptop cheaper than a Mac. So the internals may be great, the display, case, keyboard, etc. are junk.

Regarding good PC's/Laptops? I agree; a more expensive PC/Laptop is far more comparable to a Mac. However, the price more expensive, and makes the argument of a PC is cheaper moot. Plus there's the issue of the OS [purely subjective though]. I have used, more expensive Business laptops from HP, DELL, and Lenovo. All were good, but the build quality was still inferior to a Mac [IMHO]. I'm sure YMMV, but mine didn't. My only complaint of the earlier Macbook was the cracking palmrest. Other than that, it was a great machine. The new MBP's are above and beyond ANY PC variant; again IMO.
 
nefan65 said:
Like someone else said; I think people tend to compare cheap PC's/Laptops to Mac's. It's not just Apple users comparing to the cheap ones, it's the other way around too. PC Proponents often spout how they can get a better spec'd PC/Laptop cheaper than a Mac. So the internals may be great, the display, case, keyboard, etc. are junk.

Regarding good PC's/Laptops? I agree; a more expensive PC/Laptop is far more comparable to a Mac. However, the price more expensive, and makes the argument of a PC is cheaper moot. Plus there's the issue of the OS [purely subjective though]. I have used, more expensive Business laptops from HP, DELL, and Lenovo. All were good, but the build quality was still inferior to a Mac [IMHO]. I'm sure YMMV, but mine didn't. My only complaint of the earlier Macbook was the cracking palmrest. Other than that, it was a great machine. The new MBP's are above and beyond ANY PC variant; again IMO.
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Very good post. Out of curiosity, have you ever used a Toughbook?



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They did if they want true security. Your whole arguement was security and you havent provided one fact proving how they are better than a simple password, nor provided a link to one company that is currently employing a laptops finger print reader as a security precaution. Its all in your head.
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And neither have you or anyone else provided a link otherwise. It's all in your head. And if you go back and read where and I why I posted about the fingerprint reader, perhaps you'd understand that the finger print reader wasn't even an issue. You guys got all defensive it about and started ranting how it was unnecessary, just like you always do if someone mentions a feature Apple doesn't offer. Same thing all over any Mac forum where flash, BluRay or USB 3 is concerned. But you are open minded. And of course, anyone who mentions this is an Apple hater. Priceless.
 
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Apart from the silicon stuff, most of the Apple stuff is pretty good (keyboard trackpad, etc.), however I am not a fan of the TN panels Apple choose to use.

Yes Apple seems to have made IPS technology more prominent with their marketing, but I have had a Thinkpad with an IPS display for ages.

Furthermore my Thinkpad can survive a lot more damage and has more safety features in mind.

And yes the Thinkpad keyboard is better than the Mac keyboard.

That said, I'm mostly satisfied with my Mac which is why I own a couple of them.
 
The overall experience is better because Mac OSX is better, I don't actually think that the hardware is better once you compared laptops in the same price bracket. It's definitely up there with the best of them but the best? I don't honestly believe so.
 
AndroidfoLife said:
I have been told by many owners of macs that simply because they have a Mac that their hardware is better then any other computer. I attempt to tell them the only actual difference between mac and "PC's" is the OS and in actuality Apple buys its hardware from the same people that the PC vendors get their hardware from.
In fact I have often dug up evidence that Macs do not have the best Hardware. Currently ASUS and Toshiba lead with mac in fourth of the largest 8 PC manufactures.
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you are confusing commodity components with build quality. the individual chips are commodity components and are the same across the board. design and build quality however, are unique to each manufacturer, and have nothing to do with these commodity components. How do you define "better"? the one with the fastest chips? or the one with the best design and highest build quality? these are two very different things, and you've confused them. Which car is the "better" car? a Mercedes Benz with 200 hp? Or a Kia with 250 hp? Clearly the Kia has more horsepower. Does that make it "better" than the Mercedes Benz? Or does the much higher build quality, nicer features, and higher resale value of the Mercedes make it "better" than the Kia? How do you define "better"?

also, you're wrong that the OS is only difference. the EFI firmware and the features it provides cannot be found on any peecee. Boot from Firewire and Target Disk mode, for example, are unique to Mac.
 
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Same thing all over any Mac forum where flash, BluRay or USB 3 is concerned. But you are open minded. And of course, anyone who mentions this is an Apple hater. Priceless.
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I think you're overlooking the issue of audience. If I thought Flash, USB3, or Blu-ray was the least bit important then I wouldn't even be here to reply to your post. I'd be at DroidsRUs.com, ThinkPadRumors.com or something.

They are simply things on which I place no value, and I doubt I'm alone. No doubt there are people out there who feel differently and that's why we have choices.
 
A: Because most PCs are ugly by comparison.

Yeah, I answered a subjective question with a subjective answer, it isn't very helpful.
 
brentsg said:
I think you're overlooking the issue of audience. If I thought Flash, USB3, or Blu-ray was the least bit important then I wouldn't even be here to reply to your post. I'd be at DroidsRUs.com, ThinkPadRumors.com or something.

They are simply things on which I place no value, and I doubt I'm alone. No doubt there are people out there who feel differently and that's why we have choices.
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You just proved my point. So anyone who has use for BluRay or USB 3 shouldn't comment about it on a Mac forum. And if tomorrow Apple announces USB 3 will be a standard feature, you will think it's great.
 
This thread wins the award for the most pointless thread ever. It is funny to see people trying to post real reasons to justify the purchases when the trolls obviously don't care.

Having tried many PC based laptop variants, I can say that you could not pay me, or give me a free laptop to go back to PC's. Hardware be damned, the MBP is the best laptop on the market, period. If I want to work on my computer instead of working with my computer, sure, bring on any POS PC's and let's dissect it. If I want to get things done, give me my MBP.

As far as blu-ray, USB3, other random BS debate. The reason they are a non-issue is because most of us have found an alternative solution to those problems. Sure, Firewire or blu-ray quality downloads may not be mainstream yet, but they work equally as well if not better than USB and a physical blu-ray drive in the machine. I tend to look towards the future instead of wishing for backwards compatibility with dying media though. For those of you who are still crying over blu-ray, USB 3, etc. Let's just say you don't have the foresight to see the bigger picture - the one where SJ wants us to buy everything through iTunes and subscribe to the various app stores and then pay a subscription to host it all in the cloud.

Is Apple all about money? Heck yeah - but in exchange, they want to create an environment where everything just works nicely together. If that's not something you ultimately want, yes, there are other laptop manufacturers out there producing similar products. For better or worse, that's up to you. There's no reason to come trolling a Mac forum if you are happy with what you have - whatever that may be.
 
A: Component Compatibility

It's not just the individual components but the whole puzzle put together. It's about PC companies having too many variable, and while a similar setup to Apple is possible, it's highly unlikely.

There is only one MacBook hardware configuration and it has been engineered for maximum compatibility. It's about all the components together, being hand picked to work together optimally in addition to the strength of the individual components leaving the performance to achieve efficiency greater than the sum of it's parts.

The battery is pretty much the biggest beneficiary of the balance and you will be hard pressed to find such battery performance in a competing unit that can also keep up in every other design aspect.

The trackpad is the best on earth period. That's enough to go Mac just right there everything else being equal. So checkmate already.

The keyboard is ergonomically magical.

I've never seen a screen on another laptop that was better. It's as good beautiful clarity as it gets right now.

Even if a laptop equals (or even slightly bests) the MBP in any ONE of these categories, chances the other categories don't stack up.

It's about the total package. You know THESE are solid across the board while others are less legendary or hit and miss and lacking somewhere. It's also the aspect of not knowing for a fact that some new configuration of computer might not be compatible and there's no way to have known, but with Apples track record, you know exactly what to expect: perfection.

Other can aim for it, and they could even hit it, but in the end it's too much of a hassle and not enough reward to go non Mac so the decision is clearly Mac.
 
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You just proved my point. So anyone who has use for BluRay or USB 3 shouldn't comment about it on a Mac forum. And if tomorrow Apple announces USB 3 will be a standard feature, you will think it's great.
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I don't care if you comment on these things or not. I just don't understand your need for people to agree with you.

Apple can add Blu-ray and USB3 tomorrow and it won't matter to me one bit, so no I won't think it's great.

I buy Blu-rays and I rip and re-encode them to a personal media server immediately. I don't use iTunes, and I don't use the physical media. I also have never watched a movie or anything similar on a notebook PC, so even a DVD drive is generally a waste of space.

I own a number of PCs and Macs, and exactly 0 USB3 devices. This will not change, regardless of what Apple does. I'm just fine with USB2, FW800, and E-SATA. USB3 came along late to the party and solved a problem that had already been solved.

You seem to think it's about people doing what Apple tells them. No, you're simply conversing with people who by and large didn't care about these things or they would have spent their money elsewhere to begin with.

And the comments about Flash.. that's just another dead horse. Whether on a Mac, PC, phone, whatever.. more often than not it's just an annoying advertisement.
 
I use both daily. I like the relatively lower cost for replacement parts for the thinkpads. They are pretty robust but not too nice to look at. The mbp is my preferred portable. It's lighter than my t60.

Of course you can get better config'd win pc's for cheaper. But don't hate. I could have gotten a balls out gaming laptop for the cost of my mbp. But realistically, if you need a top of the line machine you shouldn't be looking at a notebook, mac, lenovo, dell, whatever. You should probably be building a desktop.
 
This is why:

I am currently in my audit class and we all have powerpoint open, taking notes. Beside me is a new model HP 17 inch i believe. While my macbook pro 2.3 is completely silent, the HP sitting beside me sounds like a jet taking off. I can't even focus in class because its so loud.
 
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This is why:

I am currently in my audit class and we all have powerpoint open, taking notes. Beside me is a new model HP 17 inch i believe. While my macbook pro 2.3 is completely silent, the HP sitting beside me sounds like a jet taking off. I can't even focus in class because its so loud.
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I'm sitting here in class and my Macbook just got so hot it melted through the table

see I can makeup exaggerations too
 
Looon said:
I'm sitting here in class and my Macbook just got so hot it melted through the table

see I can makeup exaggerations too
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...unfortunately i'm not exaggerating.. =(

Edit: we also have excel open
 
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I had the same problem with an HP. I wouldn't be surprised if it were an AMD processor =, as they tend to run way hotter than the intel counterparts. The fan would kick in and it was loud (think when the MBPs run in the 6000 rpm range).
 
I absolutely love my MBP and I can't imagine going back to the PC laptops but no they DO NOT have better hardware, simply a better package with extras that I value and appreciate (magsafe, unibody, multi-touch trackpad, slim and clean design). I totally get why there is this debate floating around and sadly there are noobs floating around which will tell people that, usually they don't know anything about computers.

I was at a carrier store once where there was an mac user that brought a router back in claiming it doesn't work and that it was definitely broken cause he uses a mac and it should work flawlessly together because his mac was like a the Ferrari of computers compared to the honda civics aka PC's. The sales assistant was not technical so he started to process his refund and after 5 mins I couldn't take his rambling anymore and stormed up to the counter to ask if he even logged into the router to enter his ISP account details. He gave me a blank face and said no... I think he figured out what a noob he'd been and left the store with his "broken" router

Sadly they are the ones that make up the face of all the Mac users in the world.
 
It's the total user experience

With a Mac it's the total user experience that feels better.

Compare it with the Bang & Olufsen HiFi equipment.

The electronics inside a Mac are not any better or superior (i.e. thermal paste) than leading Wintel PC brands.

But the hardware on the outside looks better, feels better, smells better. Macs are no industrial plastic cemetery like many PCs. And last but not least Mac OS X is less resource hungry than Windows and it is equally elegant as Windows.
 
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Not intended to bash MBP at all, but have you ever used a Lenovo Thinkpad? Just about every major review has stated that it has the best keyboard in the business. As far as features go, be realistic. Many any other notebooks have more features, especially in the business world.
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They used to have outstanding keyboards, but of late (when I was looking at them last year) I've noticed the Thinkpad keyboards have a good deal of "flex" to them that wasn't there in the old, outstanding keyboard design.

And what it comes down to is if you'll prefer the traditional type of key versus the "chiclet" style.
 
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