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Why do many Mac User believe that Macs have better hardware then all PCs
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Bang & Olufsen doesn't make the best audio equipment. It looks nice but an audiophile wouldn't touch it. Form over function.
I get 4.5years out of a Macbook Pro compared to 18 months with my work supplied Dell...
I've been at my current job for nearly 5 years, I've gone through 2 HPs and 3 Dells while my "old" Macbook Pro is still going strong, the only thing I've needed to do to it is update the memory and HDD.
Total ownership comparing each system:
Mac spend $2.5K
PC spend $14K
Not saying that Mac are better but they are.
I've been at my current job for nearly 5 years, I've gone through 2 HPs and 3 Dells while my "old" Macbook Pro is still going strong, the only thing I've needed to do to it is update the memory and HDD.
Total ownership comparing each system:
Mac spend $2.5K
PC spend $14K
Not saying that Mac are better but they are.
To answer your OP:
People likely think this because there is a huge number of "non-Mac" laptops. It is difficult to group them all together in the way you can with Macs. In addition, the "average" non-Mac laptop vs the "average" Mac laptop will result in the Macbooks coming out on top. Apple has something like 6 base laptop models, each relatively non-customizable. Other companies have dozens upon dozens of models over a huge range of capability and price.
It is like comparing car manufacturers - you can compare BMW to Ford and say "omg BMW is sooo much better!" but in all likelihood Ford has some models which are comparable or better to BMW, but overall they do not.
Also, no one says "...their hardware is better then any other computer" - better than most? Yes. Better than ANY? Of course not. In fact, there will probably always be a desktop computer better than any laptop. But if you took all the laptops actually in use in the world and averaged them I imagine Apple laptops are better than non-Apple laptops.
To address the conversation recently:
Reasons my next computer will almost assuredly be a macbook pro (again):
I like my MBP.
I have yet to be frustrated with anything hardware related. I like the keyboard, the trackpad, the overall design, and the screen. I do not like comparable windows/linux based computers. I used a $1500 hp business class computer for work last fall. It cost more than my MBP yet I did not like using it. I would prefer the MBP over a superior in spec, similar sized, windows laptop.
Until there is a computer which yields an overall better experience than a MBP I will still purchase a MBP. Considering how many hours I use my computer a day (probably 10+ between graduate school, courses, and personal use) this is the most important factor in purchasing a computer. I will spend literally thousands of hours using this computer. Being annoyed or frustrated is not how I want to spend that time. So I will buy the computer which yields the best experience for me as the user. My decision is NOT primarily based on cost, though it obviously is a factor.
People likely think this because there is a huge number of "non-Mac" laptops. It is difficult to group them all together in the way you can with Macs. In addition, the "average" non-Mac laptop vs the "average" Mac laptop will result in the Macbooks coming out on top. Apple has something like 6 base laptop models, each relatively non-customizable. Other companies have dozens upon dozens of models over a huge range of capability and price.
It is like comparing car manufacturers - you can compare BMW to Ford and say "omg BMW is sooo much better!" but in all likelihood Ford has some models which are comparable or better to BMW, but overall they do not.
Also, no one says "...their hardware is better then any other computer" - better than most? Yes. Better than ANY? Of course not. In fact, there will probably always be a desktop computer better than any laptop. But if you took all the laptops actually in use in the world and averaged them I imagine Apple laptops are better than non-Apple laptops.
To address the conversation recently:
Reasons my next computer will almost assuredly be a macbook pro (again):
I like my MBP.
I have yet to be frustrated with anything hardware related. I like the keyboard, the trackpad, the overall design, and the screen. I do not like comparable windows/linux based computers. I used a $1500 hp business class computer for work last fall. It cost more than my MBP yet I did not like using it. I would prefer the MBP over a superior in spec, similar sized, windows laptop.
Until there is a computer which yields an overall better experience than a MBP I will still purchase a MBP. Considering how many hours I use my computer a day (probably 10+ between graduate school, courses, and personal use) this is the most important factor in purchasing a computer. I will spend literally thousands of hours using this computer. Being annoyed or frustrated is not how I want to spend that time. So I will buy the computer which yields the best experience for me as the user. My decision is NOT primarily based on cost, though it obviously is a factor.
Yup, and I can't stand it. I use one every day and we getting ready to deploy 3200 of them to our field personnel. The touch screen on the model we are using, even after calibration is horrible (Panasonic CF-31 and CF-19). They do no scroll smoothly and the sensitivity on them is horrendous. Before you go on and tell me we do not have them calibrated correctly we have an on site tech from Panasonic setting up the calibration. We are using both a windows 7 and xp environment. I am not taking away the toughness of them. But the over all feel is horrible. I can't stand the way they look but that is also an opinion. But yes I have used them and use them a lot. We have been testing them for the past 6 months.
Once again not taking away from the toughness. They can take a beating I will give you that, but then again for the price tag and the amount of money we are spending they better!
Probably because the prof is using PP for the lecture and the person you quoted has the same PP open on his MBP and is taking notes in the "Notes" field. This is quite the effective way of taking notes.
Yeah, I should of clarified, its usually the ones that know the least who talk the most
I feel like half this thread is inhabited by blatant fanboys (from either side, of course) and the other half is actually people having a real debate.
However, I've yet to see a Mac user defintively state that a Mac has better hardware than any PC ever made. Period. End of story.
Has anyone actually done that?
However, I've yet to see a Mac user defintively state that a Mac has better hardware than any PC ever made. Period. End of story.
Has anyone actually done that?
It's not the actual hardware that I feel is the issue but the OS, support and build, Apple has Applecare that does eliminated many smaller issues being hardware and software related that the likes of HP and Dell don't seem to cover nearly as well for their home systems.
The fact is I can take my Macbook Pro into an Apple shop anywhere in the world and have someone look at it, I've yet to see someone using a Lenova, HP or Dell do the same.
In essence the hardware comes from the same place however the QC and how the systems are built vary, still it's hard to make an actual sweeping state Apple hardware is better because a computer system is more than just the single hardware.
The old argument of Apple hardware is irrelevant after moving to Intel CPUs what does hold the argument is purely to do with the build quality, Applecare AND OS are the differentiators that really does support the Mac debate. I'd have more Dell and HPs die within 18 months, the hardware was very good quality (if not the same as Apple) the build quality was not which lead to me buying new systems. The fact remain the HDD, RAM, Mainboard, CPU were still working correctly but the cases just fell apart.
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No that doesn't mean all have, but it shows the fact that you know nothing about corporate security to even think corporate America uses it and that you have yet to provide any working knowledge of use or past use of the finger print scanners.
Agree, PCs have more hardware power compared to macs spec for spec.
specs in mac are very limited, apple makes sure that each component is compatible with each other, this is what makes it better and faster.
unlike in PCs with so many manufactures mixing top specs, not giving importance on compatibility of parts, resulting to slower machines and driver bugs.
There are well built PC machines that would smoke a mac (alienware, HP...), but now the issue would be th OS.
How much work have you done for the government? And you are stating that nowhere in corporate America are finger print readers used? What working knowledge have you or the others provided to show that fingerprint readers are never used. I know, just because Apple is the only computer company not to offer them, that means no one uses them. Let's change the discussion again. Go back and read every post in this thread and maybe you will see that it isn't about corporate America. It was a simple statement about a feature that Apple doesn't offer and you guys get all butt hurt about it and twist it into a complete different discussion. LMAO!! We can do the same with any feature that Apple does not offer. It immediately becomes useless, stupid, not needed, etc etc etc. Where am I bashing Apple? I'll say the same thing about Windows or any manufacturer, only difference is, only the Mac fanatics take it personal.
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Hilarious. Now show us proof where our government counts on a ****** generic imbedded finger print scanner in a laptop for security?
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Whatever you say sport. You know it all, and you've provided numerous examples to support your point of view. Not.
Who's hating? Making a factual statement that Apple does not offer a few features that every manufacturer does is hating? So you have to twist it in a completely different direction? Suppose I have a Sony notebook and you said a Mac has a better trackpad and build quality. Would I get upset? Of course not, because what you said it true. I said Macs don't offer a fingerprint reader which is true. Then the fanatics chime in. You guys are a hoot.
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I worked on a very significant defense contract, no fingerprint readers. Through jobs at 4 different Fortune 500 companies, I've never seen a fingerprint reader. Your mileage may vary of course, as 4 is a pretty small sample.
Also, imagine the returns on Macs with finger print readers. I mean we'd have to take off our white gloves to use them.
Petitio Principii IMHO
You have already made up your mind that the hardware is inferior in you opinion so why raise the question besides the obvious trollbaiting
uhh, you make it sound like Apple gear is pokey garbage (talking about laptops).
Apple was one of the first to bring the Core Duo CPU out back in 2006 (AFAIK).
And now, in 2011, Apple notebooks have one of the worlds fastest interfaces (thunderbolt) ever to be used on a personal computer (unless there is a laptop with infiniband or something).
They might not have ZOMGJIZZGFX508473FERMIWOAHDUALQUADSLI graphics but most people seem to manage all right.
I've also used a company issued laptop with a fingerprint reader and never once used it (the company did not either).
This thread is so scientific!
This thread is so scientific!
You know what, I hope you're right.
I hope that those folks are protecting critical data with every means possible. I also sure as hell would hope they aren't using MacBook Pros.
I can't believe this thread has gone on for so long! I think overall, mac users don't necessarily believe that macs have better hardware but that they have better build quality most times, which would also be true.
I stated 3 feature that Apple doesn't offer, purely in response to idiotic replies from a few users here. That gets turned into Apple bashing, hating, get out etc like it does every time someone says something that isn't worshiping the almighty Apple. I have no problem commenting on any manufacturers products whether it's good, bad or in between. Why do you take it all so personal? Do you attack your neighbor if he criticizes the power company or cable company? Are you as fanatical about your supermarket and it's prices? Blind acceptance is not normal.
hmmm. the finger print reader is stupid. why? because ive had one before and never used it. my dad never uses his. and i dont care if other people use them because i dont care about other people and honestly if the FBI really relies on a fingerprint reader to protect their super dooper secret documents then no wonder why 911 happened. and as for comparing pc vs mac parts.. yeah PCs do have better "parts" but you have to spend too a pretty penny to get them, but then its ugly or heavy, oh yeah and it doesnt legally run OSX. and ive played with every PC i can get my hands on (target best buy apple cons frys) and have YET to find one that has a keyboard and trackpad i like as much as apples. oh yeah, and apple just works
and honestly if the FBI really relies on a fingerprint reader to protect their super dooper secret documents then no wonder why 911 happened. and as for comparing pc vs mac parts.. yeah PCs do have better "parts" but you have to spend too a pretty penny to get them, but then its ugly or heavy, oh yeah and it doesnt legally run OSX. and ive played with every PC i can get my hands on (target best buy apple cons frys) and have YET to find one that has a keyboard and trackpad i like as much as apples. oh yeah, and apple just works - Status