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Why do many Mac User believe that Macs have better hardware then all PCs
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Ignorance is bliss. You know nothing about security in the corporate world. Now wait for Apple to tell you what you need and don't need.
I am a management consultant and have worked for the likes of Barclays, JPMorgan Chase, HSBC, a Hedge Fund Management firm and Sony in the last couple of years. None of them use the fingerprint scanners on their employee machines, nor do they plan to. In fact, Sony do not even issue their employees with their laptops that have the fingerprint scanners.
Tell me what you know about security in the corporate world, especially considering the fact that your arguments in this thread make you sound about 18?
hmm think about warranties , toshiba is offering now a reliable warranty , cant remember how they call it now ,
but you get the normal 1 year warranty ,but if there is a breakdown (hardware) in that year , you get the laptop repaired or replaced AND get your money back
and in reliability charts ASUS laptos lead as the most reliable laptops followed by toshiba and sony , apple comes forth , but apple could manage (just ) to beat dell ....in 3 year reliability
and for Windows is better then OSX for some and OSX is better then Windows for others , that's another discussion windows will always be the first choice for gamers while productive people will choose OSX..
laptop's i only see them as mobile device and not as serious computing devices even if its a MacBookPro, as when you run them as serious computers then they all die premature as these mobile internals are not meant for hard work 24/7
but you get the normal 1 year warranty ,but if there is a breakdown (hardware) in that year , you get the laptop repaired or replaced AND get your money back
and in reliability charts ASUS laptos lead as the most reliable laptops followed by toshiba and sony , apple comes forth , but apple could manage (just ) to beat dell ....in 3 year reliability
and for Windows is better then OSX for some and OSX is better then Windows for others , that's another discussion windows will always be the first choice for gamers while productive people will choose OSX..
laptop's i only see them as mobile device and not as serious computing devices even if its a MacBookPro, as when you run them as serious computers then they all die premature as these mobile internals are not meant for hard work 24/7
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Since this turned into a flame war, I'll play along
When I put my Blu-ray disc into my MBP, it doesn't play.
When I plug a microphone into my MBP, the audio levels are very low.
When I try to plug my USB 3.0 HDD into my MBP, it runs slowly.
When I try to plug my eSata drive into my MBP, I can't.
When I try to play new games on the new MBP, the GPU can't keep up.
Hardware wise, my MBP is great at what it does, but let's not forget everything that it doesn't do. For the same price on a PC, I can...
Watch movies without having to download them off iTunes/rip them off of disc.
Use a headset in Vent.
Transfer files quickly.
Play current games, at a decent frame rate.
Use a USB drive while gaming (currently impossible as both USB ports are in use for the headset and mouse, because the input is a line in, not a mic in)
Use windows for > 1/2 the advertised battery life. Seriously, Windows on a mac shouldn't even be supported it's so laughably bad.
In conclusion... Sure my mac is perfect if I use it for non-gaming, in an Apple ecosystem of devices, and don't expect fast file transfer or the ability to consume multi-media not purchased through iTunes...
And I assume that's what the majority of people on this board do, so they love their MBP. I like my MBP because 90% of the time I don't need to do any of that, I use it for work, or surfing the web. But that 10% of the time, the omissions are quite glaring. And before anybody tells me to get a PC if I want to game, or watch Blu-ray, because SJ obviously isn't going to allow it anytime soon, this isn't about what a PC can do that a mac can't, this is simply about hardware: And in this instance, Macintosh based hardware is not better than Windows based hardware. The build quality is perhaps better, but the hardware that Apple uses is severely lacking in a multitude of areas.
TL;DR: Apple hardware, despite having a superb build quality, lacks in many areas. This becomes apparent if you try to do things that Apple didn't design your mac to do, eg. gaming, watching blu-ray, or running Windows.
When I put my Blu-ray disc into my MBP, it doesn't play.
When I plug a microphone into my MBP, the audio levels are very low.
When I try to plug my USB 3.0 HDD into my MBP, it runs slowly.
When I try to plug my eSata drive into my MBP, I can't.
When I try to play new games on the new MBP, the GPU can't keep up.
Hardware wise, my MBP is great at what it does, but let's not forget everything that it doesn't do. For the same price on a PC, I can...
Watch movies without having to download them off iTunes/rip them off of disc.
Use a headset in Vent.
Transfer files quickly.
Play current games, at a decent frame rate.
Use a USB drive while gaming (currently impossible as both USB ports are in use for the headset and mouse, because the input is a line in, not a mic in)
Use windows for > 1/2 the advertised battery life. Seriously, Windows on a mac shouldn't even be supported it's so laughably bad.
In conclusion... Sure my mac is perfect if I use it for non-gaming, in an Apple ecosystem of devices, and don't expect fast file transfer or the ability to consume multi-media not purchased through iTunes...
And I assume that's what the majority of people on this board do, so they love their MBP. I like my MBP because 90% of the time I don't need to do any of that, I use it for work, or surfing the web. But that 10% of the time, the omissions are quite glaring. And before anybody tells me to get a PC if I want to game, or watch Blu-ray, because SJ obviously isn't going to allow it anytime soon, this isn't about what a PC can do that a mac can't, this is simply about hardware: And in this instance, Macintosh based hardware is not better than Windows based hardware. The build quality is perhaps better, but the hardware that Apple uses is severely lacking in a multitude of areas.
TL;DR: Apple hardware, despite having a superb build quality, lacks in many areas. This becomes apparent if you try to do things that Apple didn't design your mac to do, eg. gaming, watching blu-ray, or running Windows.
Since this turned into a flame war, I'll play along
When I put my Blu-ray disc into my MBP, it doesn't play.
When I plug a microphone into my MBP, the audio levels are very low.
When I try to plug my USB 3.0 HDD into my MBP, it runs slowly.
When I try to plug my eSata drive into my MBP, I can't.
When I try to play new games on the new MBP, the GPU can't keep up.
Hardware wise, my MBP is great at what it does, but let's not forget everything that it doesn't do. For the same price on a PC, I can...
Watch movies without having to download them off iTunes/rip them off of disc.
Use a headset in Vent.
Transfer files quickly.
Play current games, at a decent frame rate.
Use a USB drive while gaming (currently impossible as both USB ports are in use for the headset and mouse, because the input is a line in, not a mic in)
Use windows for > 1/2 the advertised battery life. Seriously, Windows on a mac shouldn't even be supported it's so laughably bad.
In conclusion... Sure my mac is perfect if I use it for non-gaming, in an Apple ecosystem of devices, and don't expect fast file transfer or the ability to consume multi-media not purchased through iTunes...
And I assume that's what the majority of people on this board do, so they love their MBP. I like my MBP because 90% of the time I don't need to do any of that, I use it for work, or surfing the web. But that 10% of the time, the omissions are quite glaring. And before anybody tells me to get a PC if I want to game, or watch Blu-ray, because SJ obviously isn't going to allow it anytime soon, this isn't about what a PC can do that a mac can't, this is simply about hardware: And in this instance, Macintosh based hardware is not better than Windows based hardware. The build quality is perhaps better, but the hardware that Apple uses is severely lacking in a multitude of areas.
TL;DR: Apple hardware, despite having a superb build quality, lacks in many areas. This becomes apparent if you try to do things that Apple didn't design your mac to do, eg. gaming, watching blu-ray, or running Windows.
A couple of things:
1. When I want to watch a BluRay movie I prefer to watch it on my TV using a proper BluRay player. If I am travelling, I use an iPad to watch movies. A bluray drive would be nice for storage, but not a necessity for me.
2. I don't know about that
3. There are compelling benchmarks on various sites such as Tomshardware and Anandtech, which show that not USB 3.0 drives are created equal and the majority of them are slower than FW800.
4. Fair point, but TB is faster. Now we just need the drives
5. I have no interest in playing games on my laptop, but that's just me since I am probably a fair bit older than most of the posters in this thread.
I haven't tested Windows 7 battery life on Bootcamp myself, but the explanation is simple
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Compared to OS X with the dGPU enabled, Windows 7 delivers 20% lower battery life. The bigger penalty however is the forced dGPU usage under Windows. If you're planning on using the new 15-inch MBP as a Windows notebook, don't expect to get anywhere near the battery life that is promised under OS X.A couple of things:
1. When I want to watch a BluRay movie I prefer to watch it on my TV using a proper BluRay player. If I am travelling, I use an iPad to watch movies. A bluray drive would be nice for storage, but not a necessity for me.
2. I don't know about that
3. There are compelling benchmarks on various sites such as Tomshardware and Anandtech, which show that not USB 3.0 drives are created equal and the majority of them are slower than FW800.
4. Fair point, but TB is faster. Now we just need the drives
5. I have no interest in playing games on my laptop, but that's just me since I am probably a fair bit older than most of the posters in this thread.
I haven't tested Windows 7 battery life on Bootcamp myself, but the explanation is simple
Code:Compared to OS X with the dGPU enabled, Windows 7 delivers 20% lower battery life. The bigger penalty however is the forced dGPU usage under Windows. If you're planning on using the new 15-inch MBP as a Windows notebook, don't expect to get anywhere near the battery life that is promised under OS X.
Yeah, most of the things I posted I can easily work around. For example, I spent the extra $$ for a Firewire 400 drive that's compatible with my mac and PC... and blu-ray's on a 1200x800, or even 1440x900 resolution isn't optimal, It just bugs me when so many people are all about how "magical" the mac is, and how superior the hardware is. It's not! It's great hardware when you use it how Apple designed it to be used, but as soon as you step out of that box, it sucks, it's missing so much! It frustrates me to see so many people, who are probably coming from a $500 PC, to a $1000 mac, and say how great it is, when all they do is use it for internet/word/email/photos... (no offense!)
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P.S. Re: Windows. I still have a '06 MBP. I really want to upgrade to a 13" MBP, but as I play video games, and the 9400m was the first card in the 13" that beat out my x1600, I haven't yet... and probably won't until the 3000 gets updated (next year??). However, my MBP does not have dual graphics cards. And it still gets horrible battery life under Windows. I'd love to say that it's just a dual video card problem, but there's something more then just that which causes the hardware to not perform properly under Windows.
Really, I'm getting off my soap box now
Yeah, most of the things I posted I can easily work around. For example, I spent the extra $$ for a Firewire 400 drive that's compatible with my mac and PC... and blu-ray's on a 1200x800, or even 1440x900 resolution isn't optimal, It just bugs me when so many people are all about how "magical" the mac is, and how superior the hardware is. It's not! It's great hardware when you use it how Apple designed it to be used, but as soon as you step out of that box, it sucks, it's missing so much! It frustrates me to see so many people, who are probably coming from a $500 PC, to a $1000 mac, and say how great it is, when all they do is use it for internet/word/email/photos... (no offense!)
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P.S. Re: Windows. I still have a '06 MBP. I really want to upgrade to a 13" MBP, but as I play video games, and the 9400m was the first card in the 13" that beat out my x1600, I haven't yet... and probably won't until the 3000 gets updated (next year??). However, my MBP does not have dual graphics cards. And it still gets horrible battery life under Windows. I'd love to say that it's just a dual video card problem, but there's something more then just that which causes the hardware to not perform properly under Windows.
Really, I'm getting off my soap box now
The 2011 MBP upgrade is actually the first time that Apple used up-to-date, fastest and greatest CPUs in their laptops. Otherwise their CPU and GPU options have been about 6 months or a year behind so I cannot argue with that. I come from a PC/Windows/Linux (and even DOS
) background. For a long time I was not convinced about MacOS and Apple computers. I bought a MBP 13" back in October 2009 and I've grown to love it and it has also allowed me to gain some understanding into the Apple philosophy. It's a great little laptop and does exactly what I need it to do without too much fuss. My only complaint is about Handbrake encoding, but I can live with that and will fix that problem with a desktop soon. It's the only laptop that I've managed to use for more than a year without breaking it or wanting to replace it completely. It still looks nearly brand new and chugs along like I bought it yesterday. I cannot say the same for the Windows equivalents and I do not use $500 Windows machines either. Due to my job I've used various laptops from various manufacturers.
From a Windows perspective I can say that Lenovo are the only ones that I haven't had problems with. My current Sony laptop is only 6 months old and I've already had to have the HDD replaced once back in January. I still haven't found a Windows laptop where the battery life is more than 90 minutes after 4 months of use. Maybe the way I use these things is wrong. In my younger days I'll admit that I was "anti-Apple" for various irrational reasons and I used to think that reinstalling Windows every 3 months was normal.
Going back to specs. Specs aren't the be-all and end-all. My Sony laptop should wipe the floor with my 2009 MBP 13" based on specs and in benchmarks. Yet it sometimes struggles to do simple things like allow me to have a couple of excel spreadsheets, word documents and Outlook open and the fans kick in so furiously that it sounds like a jumbo jet is about to take off. I am typing on this machine now and despite it being a lot newer than my MBP, it looks like it's a couple of years older and has been through some war. The trackpad is terrible to use, the screen colour calibration is a joke, the keyboard is cheap and nasty and if I squeeze it gently near the bottom corners it flexes like putty. It looks cheap and feels cheap, despite costing around the same as the MBP 13".
Back in 2009 I was deciding whether to go for the MBP or a similar 13" Lenovo, Dell or similar. All of the machines in the form factor and spec that I wanted were £1000+. Sure, the Dell had a slightly faster chip, but I quickly found that life is not all about specifications -it's also about the user experience. Apple "fanboys" used to say this to me and I used to tell them to stop talking BS. But after using these products for myself, I found out what they actually meant. I cannot imagine ever buying a Windows machine with my own money again.
The primary benefit is that OS X doesn't waste your time (i.e., it is designed so you don't think about things you shouldn't have to think about in an operating system and so that the things that are designed to keep you productive actually function as intended instead of having you duplicate efforts to accomplish the same thing under Windows). Now, if your time is valuable, you can see the benefit right away. If your time is less valuable, you are more likely to just complain about the difference in prices. That's just a pattern that I've noticed emerge.
I've been using macbooks on my job for about 6 years, It did give me complains from my superiors because I should simply "use" windows, however I have showed them in time I can do everything exactly as windows with other alternatives and that stability and workflow is much better with mac, they figured that themselves when rebooting their pcs 2-3 times a day when opening too many apps versus none on OSX.
Anyhow, Mac has serious issues they need to improve. I bought my last MBP 15" on early 2008 at apple store NY (I'm not from the U.S), therefore when I tried to burn a cd the famous "medium error" showed up and have not been able to burn 1 single cd/dvd from the day it was purchased (of course I tried million things, like suggested cd brands, several burning softwares, all writing speeds), I was not in the U.S. so they would not provide me a solution with this, needless to say the fact of paying extra money for a "protection program" is quite ridiculous when you are already paying a high price for a brand you trust.
I have had issues with the display too, some dead pixels and white spots appeared in like a year of use.
Also another known issue is the headphones jack sound, that gets the volume stuck in mute and appears a red light inside the jack connector, did not happen to me directly but know a few people who struggled with that issue for months because Apple's assistance was very very poor!! These kind of issues leave in evidence that Apple needs to improve their quality standard in some aspects, **** happens we all know it, but they are not providing any kind of fix either other than taking your computer to an Apple store and pay more money to get it fixed.
All in all I'm still using OSX, for me it's great and of course better than windows, but as customers we should also point out issues that cannot be tolerated in a 2k price laptop.
Speaking of iPods, for you it is "plug n play" when you have to install a software for it (itunes)? and your music collection can be only synchronized to 1 computer at a time, and if you want to add 1 tune you have to load it on your collection before passing it to the ipod? I mean it's weird, Apple has an intelligent marketing but some things just need to improve really it's a pain in the ass for a 50 bucks 2gb mp3 player (half the price of a 1tb external drive), some products they make it simple and great, and some others are too complicated like if they were made from different brands.
Anyhow, Mac has serious issues they need to improve. I bought my last MBP 15" on early 2008 at apple store NY (I'm not from the U.S), therefore when I tried to burn a cd the famous "medium error" showed up and have not been able to burn 1 single cd/dvd from the day it was purchased (of course I tried million things, like suggested cd brands, several burning softwares, all writing speeds), I was not in the U.S. so they would not provide me a solution with this, needless to say the fact of paying extra money for a "protection program" is quite ridiculous when you are already paying a high price for a brand you trust.
I have had issues with the display too, some dead pixels and white spots appeared in like a year of use.
Also another known issue is the headphones jack sound, that gets the volume stuck in mute and appears a red light inside the jack connector, did not happen to me directly but know a few people who struggled with that issue for months because Apple's assistance was very very poor!! These kind of issues leave in evidence that Apple needs to improve their quality standard in some aspects, **** happens we all know it, but they are not providing any kind of fix either other than taking your computer to an Apple store and pay more money to get it fixed.
All in all I'm still using OSX, for me it's great and of course better than windows, but as customers we should also point out issues that cannot be tolerated in a 2k price laptop.
Speaking of iPods, for you it is "plug n play" when you have to install a software for it (itunes)? and your music collection can be only synchronized to 1 computer at a time, and if you want to add 1 tune you have to load it on your collection before passing it to the ipod? I mean it's weird, Apple has an intelligent marketing but some things just need to improve really it's a pain in the ass for a 50 bucks 2gb mp3 player (half the price of a 1tb external drive), some products they make it simple and great, and some others are too complicated like if they were made from different brands.
apple is only reacting on its customers , and the majority wants each year a faster processor and a better gpu and they get that , so there is no need for apple to change or improve anything else , and apple will agree i am right there ,as sales go up no matter what downsides there are
and for most the reason to buy a Mac (like myself) actually is OSX , since there is intel inside like everywhere else too i dont care realy what intel processor that might be or such i dont care about windows 7, i switched to linux when microsoft brought me that disaster called windows vista , so i would anyway install linux on whatever laptop i get , but i also want a laptop to look nice , it will get signs of wear in quiet a short time , so a plastic box is good enough if it just looks like alloy or white
anyway and the most i would spend on a new laptop would be £400 tops , like i said i do not expect a mobile device to last longer then 1 year , i am courier driver that thing will get thrown around in the van so any laptop will die after a year of use , so no point of spending £2000
the £400 i can easy write off after a year with the taxman, i like the design of the MacBook Pro so i am on the lookout for one of its chinese clones with the dual core atoms inside and ion Gpu , enough performance , only need to find a retailer in europe
http://www.machoe.com/3720/chinese-macbook-pro-clone-runs-on-dual-core-atom.html
and for most the reason to buy a Mac (like myself) actually is OSX , since there is intel inside like everywhere else too i dont care realy what intel processor that might be or such i dont care about windows 7, i switched to linux when microsoft brought me that disaster called windows vista , so i would anyway install linux on whatever laptop i get , but i also want a laptop to look nice , it will get signs of wear in quiet a short time , so a plastic box is good enough if it just looks like alloy or white
anyway and the most i would spend on a new laptop would be £400 tops , like i said i do not expect a mobile device to last longer then 1 year , i am courier driver that thing will get thrown around in the van so any laptop will die after a year of use , so no point of spending £2000
the £400 i can easy write off after a year with the taxman, i like the design of the MacBook Pro so i am on the lookout for one of its chinese clones with the dual core atoms inside and ion Gpu , enough performance , only need to find a retailer in europe
http://www.machoe.com/3720/chinese-macbook-pro-clone-runs-on-dual-core-atom.html
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I know nothing about corporate security. I make up everything I post. I'm only 13. The US government doesn't use fingerprint scanners for Census Bureau field reps, not does MetLife. It astounds me that every major manufacturer offers a finger print reader that no one even uses. I'm sure they'd feel quite foolish if they knew that.
It's easy. What sounds better?
Two Factor Authentication using pin and hardware token //boring
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BiyoMETRiXXXX!!11 (biometrics) //cool
Walk into a room full of managers who are more concerned with what's for dinner than the material being presented in front of them and start yelling "Biometrics! Biometrics! Star Trek People!"
You'll get thousands of orders.
btw: I can't tell if you're being sarcastic but if you are then forgive my post lol.
let's see what the people in youtube is saying:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmRJ649ICPU&feature=youtube_gdata_player
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qv8sTY_Fmzo&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Wait...the Macs are way better:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdIanqM_RZ8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BnLbv6QYcA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmRJ649ICPU&feature=youtube_gdata_player
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qv8sTY_Fmzo&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Wait...the Macs are way better:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdIanqM_RZ8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BnLbv6QYcA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Doesn't matter if Apple put their OS on junk netbooks I would still take it over anything with windows on it. Go to a bust buy and see how many macs compared to pc's are being worked on.
Because my job requires me to support both Mac and PC, the easiest way to do that is to get a MacBook and a Windows XP/7 VM
Actually this isn't surprising since Windows based pc's outsell Macs by 10-1. Now go to an Apple store and compare the number of Macs being repaired to the number of Windows machines.
One thing is the design and another is the manufacturing, many of the repairs that you see in the Apple Store are due to quality issues and just a few are design related.
How many Microsoft Stores are out there?
Dell? HP? Asus? IBM?
Has it not already been spelled out? Microsoft actually likes to sell OEM licenses for Windows to manufacturers with poor hardware reliability track records. Yeah, Microsoft would look terrible if they did this themselves instead of using a third party to do it, but they don't have to. The plan is to release a new version of Windows every couple of years and have those OEMs sell new computers at such a time as well so Microsoft can continue to profit from the OEM licensing. Given how mediocre Windows is, it will not last you more than a few years without needing a clean install (and that's even if the hardware is just fine). So, bottom line, Microsoft has the business cycle figured out even if they aren't concerned with the reliability or performance of their products outside of that business cycle.
Now, if you insist on getting a PC and want to have a tolerable experience, you are first going to have to be a technically competent user. Next, you should build your own PC instead of buying it from what will be made of lowest bidder parts if you buy a computer from most PC vendors. Next, you should get a boxed version of Windows instead of the OEM license even though it is more expensive. Next, you must remember to make frequent copies of your disks in case you get a virus or Windows kills itself. I've noticed that the Windows destruction process is progressive. It is hard to tell sometimes when it has gotten past the point that you should just reinstall it and not bother with restoring the backups, but such a point does typically occur with moderate use between every one to three years. Now, if you have a PC that's just going to be used for gaming then there is much less to worry about, but most people use their computers for at least some amount of serious business.
Now, if you insist on getting a PC and want to have a tolerable experience, you are first going to have to be a technically competent user. Next, you should build your own PC instead of buying it from what will be made of lowest bidder parts if you buy a computer from most PC vendors. Next, you should get a boxed version of Windows instead of the OEM license even though it is more expensive. Next, you must remember to make frequent copies of your disks in case you get a virus or Windows kills itself. I've noticed that the Windows destruction process is progressive. It is hard to tell sometimes when it has gotten past the point that you should just reinstall it and not bother with restoring the backups, but such a point does typically occur with moderate use between every one to three years. Now, if you have a PC that's just going to be used for gaming then there is much less to worry about, but most people use their computers for at least some amount of serious business.
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Let me reiterate what on reviewer had to say about the Macbook Pro
"What Apple has done requires, metal, glass, genius, and OSX, you cannot replicate it with plastic and Windows! "
I have yet to see a consumer retailed Windows Notebook that comes close to the level " fit and finish " and quality of construction that Apple has achieved in it's Macbook Pro line.
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Go to Best Buy and ask them, on a percentage basis of units sold which system demands more bench time from them? Apple or Windows? "
Oh and while you are at it, ask them..... " on a percentage basis of units sold , which system is RTV'd the most? Apple or Windows? "
OOPs ..... RTV = Returned To Vendor
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