i think, too, that most people tend to think that the computer/OS they use and own is better than what other people use and own... 
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Why do people rag on the 13"MBP?
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i think, too, that most people tend to think that the computer/OS they use and own is better than what other people use and own...
I agree I just wish we could all happily coexist in our happy little world but alas wishing doesn't make it so lol.
There are lots of reasons for anyone other the Facebook-jockey to get the 13" MBP.
But what both camps are missing are the power of dedicated GPU.
GPUs are not unimportant, and they've been compromised in Apple's 13" and under notebooks, making them all relatively the same and far inferior to the 15" and up.
Most people think of GPUs as being associated with gaming. I do very little gaming, in fact I only have one game on my machine.
But you'd be surprised how often OS X calls the discrete graphics card, for many built in apps, and 3rd party apps.
But what both camps are missing are the power of dedicated GPU.
GPUs are not unimportant, and they've been compromised in Apple's 13" and under notebooks, making them all relatively the same and far inferior to the 15" and up.
Most people think of GPUs as being associated with gaming. I do very little gaming, in fact I only have one game on my machine.
But you'd be surprised how often OS X calls the discrete graphics card, for many built in apps, and 3rd party apps.
really. the 15" or 17" may be able to beat up the 13", but the 13" can get away faster (if not, sigh, actually run faster)
LOL we are going to form a roving gang that goes after the 15/17 crowd. We are 13 and pro and we are here to stay! (hopefully)
Thats what we are talking about! The 13 in a fine machine and will serve you well. It may not have a high res screen or GPU power as the 15/17 but its still a damn fine piece of equipment. Some of us just need more than the Air but may not need the quad core, my dual core i7 is fine for me. I think that the 15/17 crowd is secretly afraid of us and our power lol
Low resolution display for $1000+ machine.
No expresscard or PCMCIA for a $1000+ machine
and the edges of all of these unibody machines hurt my wrists, like someone putting a knife to me.
No expresscard or PCMCIA for a $1000+ machine
and the edges of all of these unibody machines hurt my wrists, like someone putting a knife to me.
you mean i can't work without an expresscard?
plus you can get cheap oven mitts, and the edges won't hurt your wrists.
i've NEVER had a problem with the edges, i tend to type on the TOP of the keyboard.
seriously, if the 13", or ANY macbook pro, doesn't work for you, buy a dell (or a pony or something)...
What does this mean then? I don't know anything about GPUs... if an app calls the discrete graphics card and the 13" MBP doesn't have a dedicated GPU how is performance affected? (As in, what occurs? Lag, inability to function, etc.?).
(I use a 13" base model MBP, early 2011 model, and don't have any problems so not sure if I'm just unaffected by the lack of dedicated GPU with my uses or if I just don't notice the setback because I am used to it.)
I am in the same boat I have a Late 2011 i7 and have never been or felt crippled by my lack of a powerful GPU. I even do some photo and video editing not professional grade but they are HD and I haven't had a problem. I am always impressed by the power this little guy brings to the table and so far it has always done everything I ask of it without so much as a hiccup.
It means you can tackle tasks that the air simply can not do with a maximum of 4gb of RAM, and a maximum of 256gb of storage. Yes, if you leave both machines standard the Air is faster to boot. Whoopie. Its CPU is 1ghz slower for a start... for doing actual work, things like that matter.
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You'd also be surprised how often OS X calls the discrete graphics card for no real good reason.
I have a 15" Pro with gfxcardstatus, and see when it switches. Whenever I'm on battery i force usage of the HD3000 and see no real difference in day to day performance.
Its only when running games that the Radeon makes any difference.
If you are referring to a woman's sanitary napkin, then yes, we also use that word for that as well.
Putting a knife to you? Wow, I really hope that's sarcasm
Actually I have the same issue if I don't watch how I place my wrists. I use the BT keyboard to avoid such issues, and actually prefer that keyboards feel.
But none of that makes it a professional machine. I can buy a bottom-end Dell that does all that, and no one would claim it's a professional machine. So, I ask again, how do the expansion capabilities of the 13" MBP (RAM, HDD, and technically ODD) make it a professional machine?
Answer: they don't. The 13" MBP (and 15" MBP for that matter) are woefully not upgradeable by professional standards. I'm not saying they're not professional machines (though you really can't make a good argument that the 13" MBP is a true professional machine), but the expansion capabilities are not one of the things that qualify them as such.
Also, don't get me wrong: I love my 13" MBP. It's a fantastic machine, even though it's 2 years old. But I don't have any misconceptions that it's a professional computer, just a very nice consumer computer.
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What makes a 15 or 17" model a professional machine, if its not the ability to have 16gb RAM, larger disks, and potentially RAID (all of which, the 13" can do, that an Air can't). It can connect to high speed thunderbolt storage arrays, that your cheap Dell can't.
Find me another 13" machine with discrete GPU (that the 13" pro doesn't have) and 16GB ram? What do you think the 13" Pro is missing that excludes it from being a pro level machine?
Its certainly not the lack of discrete GPU, because for most professional purposes that the mac is used for, GPU is irrelevant.
I don't want to buy cheap oven mitts to use a $1200 computer. I can work without an expresscard just fine, which is why I had a $250 laptop for a long time(which ironically, at least had PCMCIA). I'd like the option of something like a better soundcard for IEMs with better specs. It's a luxury thing, but that's the point - it's a $1200 laptop, not a $400 laptop. I don't NEED these things, but I also don't need to spend $1200 on a laptop. So when a $350 Lenovo SL410 on eBay has it, it is worth mentioning.
i hear u, really. i do pro audio, and don't mind carrying a small audio interface when i need to (which isn't often).
but i don't understand about the edges. how do you use your macbook that causes a problem? i rest my hands next to the trackpad (when not typing), never parallel to the edges...
I for one love my 13", and from looking at the specs, the i7 MBP 13" is way more powerful than the 13" MBA.
I filled mine with a 240GB SSD, 8GB RAM and will be going the optibay route soon, to be honest, the 13" is the perfect workhorse, portable, powerful and sleek.
I filled mine with a 240GB SSD, 8GB RAM and will be going the optibay route soon, to be honest, the 13" is the perfect workhorse, portable, powerful and sleek.