Sidebar Sidebar
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.

iPad Why do Safari tabs keep reloading on my iPad Air?

alex2792 said:
Uh I'm using surface 2 and the browser is light years ahead of mobile Safari. Smooth as butter with flash so I can use hulu to watch TV shows without subscription. Apple is simply trying to increase their margins at the cost of user experience. Btw, surface 2 is Far better than iPad, take it from a former iPad owner.
Click to expand...

I just bought a 64GB Dell Venue 8 Pro. While its specs is nowhere near the Surface Pro 2, this thing is very impressive. Very fast and fluid. No such thing as a browser tab reloading!

The one area no one can touch Apple is the touchscreen accuracy and response, much like the touchpad on the Macs. There are times when the Dell's keyboard is too sensitive, double character when typing. And there are times when it's not sensitive enough, link when I click a web link - it clearly registered as it blinked, yet it does nothing. I can thumb type on the iPad without looking much, like right now on my Air. On the Dell even typing slowly and deliberately it's nowhere near as accurate as any iPads.

I hated Windows 8 on desktop and laptop (I even have a convertible Lenovo which I'd never used in tablet mode), but on an actual tablet it really shines. Only bad thing is the empty App Store. Flipboard just came out for it and it looks and runs great. Hopefully many more major apps and games will be released on Windows 8.
 
alex2792 said:
Uh I'm using surface 2 and the browser is light years ahead of mobile Safari. Smooth as butter with flash so I can use hulu to watch TV shows without subscription. Apple is simply trying to increase their margins at the cost of user experience. Btw, surface 2 is Far better than iPad, take it from a former iPad owner.
Click to expand...

I've owned a Surface Pro since day 1. It's a reasonable effort from Microsoft, and I've grown to kind of like it, but it's ultimately become my 'meeting' computer as I feel obligated to use it somehow. I really, really don't care about Flash on my tablet. I have a laptop that is far better than the Surface as a workhorse, and an Ipad is light years ahead as a tablet. Why have a subpar experience every time I use it instead of using the best tool for the job?

----------
iosuser said:
I just bought a 64GB Dell Venue 8 Pro. While its specs is nowhere near the Surface Pro 2, this thing is very impressive. Very fast and fluid. No such thing as a browser tab reloading!

The one area no one can touch Apple is the touchscreen accuracy and response, much like the touchpad on the Macs. There are times when the Dell's keyboard is too sensitive, double character when typing. And there are times when it's not sensitive enough, link when I click a web link - it clearly registered as it blinked, yet it does nothing. I can thumb type on the iPad without looking much, like right now on my Air. On the Dell even typing slowly and deliberately it's nowhere near as accurate as any iPads.

I hated Windows 8 on desktop and laptop (I even have a convertible Lenovo which I'd never used in tablet mode), but on an actual tablet it really shines. Only bad thing is the empty App Store. Flipboard just came out for it and it looks and runs great. Hopefully many more major apps and games will be released on Windows 8.
Click to expand...

Yeah, the touch accuracy is nothing to write home about. Nor is the fact that Internet Explorer is the only browser in tablet-world, and it's completely isolated from every other browser on the planet. When literally every other browser I use on any device stays in sync this is a mind boggling oversight. How about trying to find a decent PDF markup tool in the Store? nothing that works worth a damn. I've been waiting over a year now and the situation has only improved slightly. Every app I look for is the same thing. Not available or at best, a pet project from some third-tier developer.
 
zhenya said:
No, while that makes a good sound bite that's far from the full story. RAM is easy to get today, but it also makes for lazy developers. By keeping the RAM tight and not allowing paging, it keeps iOS responsive on relatively underpowered (compared to a full computer) equipment and keeps the battery life consistently good because there isn't a lot of room for bugs.

Try using a Windows tablet like the Surface Pro. Despite far more computing power and 4x the RAM, the overall experience isn't even as smooth as what you get on an iPad. Scrolling, multitasking, wake from sleep, etc. all are not as good. So while Apple may have pushed the boundaries this time, realize that there are sound reasons for not just giving an unlimited amount of RAM to work with.
Click to expand...

I've had a Surface Pro 2 since release and I haven't had a single crash like I get on my Air. I can go from running full games like Civ 5 to browsing/email without a hiccup. I just crawled in bed with my iPad to check my favorite websites and have crashed twice in Chrome, having to restore my tabs and losing another post I was typing in the Accessories section.
 
The reason this happens is because the iPad Air only has 1GB of ram.

A side effect of this is that those web surveys of iOS web usage vs android is skewed because of this. This inflates the iOS usage numbers cause safari is reloading web pages, so it looks like iOS users are using their devices more and android devices are sitting covered in dust.
 
Count Blah said:
Low amount of RAM. Memory leaks will cause this to happen sooner and sooner over time, but the Air has less effective RAM that the ipad 3 and 4.
Click to expand...


memory leaks can't be stopped by larger or more efficient ram. they need to rewrite safari and any other leaks in iOS7...
 
Breitling65 said:
memory leaks can't be stopped by larger or more efficient ram. they need to rewrite safari and any other leaks in iOS7...
Click to expand...

Can't be stopped, but would occur much later in the user experience. Plus, lots of folks are assuming it's just something bad with safari and ios7, but the 5s and air are experiencing this pretty badly - both 64bit with only 1 gig or RAM. We might just have to expect the poor user experience, that's to apples move here.

----------
zhenya said:
No, while that makes a good sound bite that's far from the full story. RAM is easy to get today, but it also makes for lazy developers. By keeping the RAM tight and not allowing paging, it keeps iOS responsive on relatively underpowered (compared to a full computer) equipment and keeps the battery life consistently good because there isn't a lot of room for bugs.

Try using a Windows tablet like the Surface Pro. Despite far more computing power and 4x the RAM, the overall experience isn't even as smooth as what you get on an iPad. Scrolling, multitasking, wake from sleep, etc. all are not as good. So while Apple may have pushed the boundaries this time, realize that there are sound reasons for not just giving an unlimited amount of RAM to work with.
Click to expand...
lol, apple chose to make Air a poorer user experience on the air, buy supplying less effective RAM than the ipad3/4. You justify it by claiming apple is trying to force the developers to be better, when in reality, it's to put a few more $ per unit into apple's Scrooge McDuck money vault.

Apple's choice DIRECTLY results in poor user experience. How can you justify that? You completely discounting what a person can do on the surface pro tells us all we need to know about your motivation. You aren't interested in standing up,for,the user, you are only interested in defending apple.
 
Last edited:
Count Blah said:
Can't be stopped, but would occur much later in the user experience. Plus, lots of folks are assuming it's just something bad with safari and ios7, but the 5s and air are experiencing this pretty badly - both 64bit with only 1 gig or RAM. We might just have to expect the poor user experience, that's to apples move here.


What is the difference if Safari will crash on tab 53 instead of 33? Leak is growing no meter how large Ram is. User experience with anything else besides apple is much worse and I am telling you this as someone who is writing windows apps for 16 years already. iOS7 is the issue, they need to patch it and they will I am sure.
Click to expand...
 
Breitling65 said:
Can't be stopped, but would occur much later in the user experience. Plus, lots of folks are assuming it's just something bad with safari and ios7, but the 5s and air are experiencing this pretty badly - both 64bit with only 1 gig or RAM. We might just have to expect the poor user experience, that's to apples move here.


What is the difference if Safari will crash on tab 53 instead of 33? Leak is growing no meter how large Ram is. User experience with anything else besides apple is much worse and I am telling you this as someone who is writing windows apps for 16 years already. iOS7 is the issue, they need to patch it and they will I am sure.
Click to expand...

At this point, the difference is between tab 3 and tab 50. I don't know about you, but I am a lot close to 3 tabs than 50. Also, when switching between safari with 4 tabs and another app, 2 gigs would make a return visit to safari more enjoyable than the refresh Fest that exists today.

Try to justify the crappy user experience all you like, but users are noticing it more with the air than with the 3/4. You'll. point to ios7, but we don't know if it's ios7, or the more demanding 64 bit CPU.
 
Count Blah said:
lol, apple chose to make Afro a poorer user experience on the air, buy supplying less effective RAM than the ipad3/4. You justify it by claiming apple is trying to force the developers to be better, when in reality, it's to put a few more $ per unit into apple's Scrooge McDuck money vault.

Apple's choice DIRECTLY results in poor user experience. How can you justify that? You completely discounting what a person can do on the surface pro tells us all we need to know about your motivation. You aren't interested in standing up,for,the user, you are only interested in defending apple.
Click to expand...


Amount of ram is not a sole determinant of user experience. This is clearly evident in any number of sub-par tablets with plenty of ram. You can choose to follow the lemmings who are determined that every Apple device must have a singular fatal flaw, but it's always far more complex than that. Being able to discern the difference is important.

I have a Surface Pro that I use every day. I still think the ipad is a far better device. What's your experience?
 
Count Blah said:
At this point, the difference is between tab 3 and tab 50. I don't know about you, but I am a lot close to 3 tabs than 50. Also, when switching between safari with 4 tabs and another app, 2 gigs would make a return visit to safari more enjoyable than the refresh Fest that exists today.

Try to justify the crappy user experience all you like, but users are noticing it more with the air than with the 3/4. You'll. point to ios7, but we don't know if it's ios7, or the more demanding 64 bit CPU.
Click to expand...


64bit CPU can't damage, bug inside could. But how is that related to the RAM low issue? If it is hardware, they have to recall all and repair for free. I am sure sooner or later we will know. Mine is crashing on lots of tabs opened, at least 20-30.
 
Breitling65 said:
64bit CPU can't damage, bug inside could. But how is that related to the RAM low issue? If it is hardware, they have to recall all and repair for free. I am sure sooner or later we will know. Mine is crashing on lots of tabs opened, at least 20-30.
Click to expand...

More ram would easily mitigate the problems of a memory leak. Instead, apple chose to make $3 more per unit, offer a worse app interaction experience than the 3/4 in this regard, and hope that they could fix the software in a bout 6-9 months(maybe).

With enough people berating others for pointing this out, they also have the built in brown shirts.
 
It most likely is a software problem, iOS 7 is just terribly optimized.

Do you honestly believe that if it was a hardware issue, that across THREE of their 'flagship' products someone wouldn't have noticed it?
For anyone saying "oh haha, I'm gonna wait for iPad air 2 in March for the real iPad air". Do you also believe that there is going to be an iPad mini 3 and iPhone 6 in March as well? Releasing another iPad air, would only fix the issue for their lowest selling 'flagship' product. It just wouldn't make sense. An iPad pro is another story however, but that will most likely have worse issues than "low RAM".

Then there is the whole "its because they are cheap" comments, given that Apple are still selling at least 2 devices with 512mb of RAM, they do have a reason for keeping it down on the new devices. How bad would it look when a great new app comes out demanding > 512mb RAM, effectively meaning it will crash. At least keeping everything else down reduces the risk of this and increases the pressure for app devs to use memory efficiently.

Of course all this could mean nothing and they have just released 3 terrible products because of one, 'low cost' component...but until they release iOS 7.1 with no fixes for this issue its a bit hard to believe.
 
The.Dude said:
Because Apple needed a reason to come out with a new "revolutionary" iPad in six months with the proper 2-3 GB ram that every other 64bit device is using these days.
Click to expand...

For the 9 months I owned an ipad 4, Safari would crash at least once per day. It never crashed for the 14 days I owned an air. A lot of refreshing was going on but it was more stable than the 4.

I've had safari crash once on the rMini and I've already had to reboot it after it froze. Not happy with my rMini so far.
 
evoixdan said:
For the 9 months I owned an ipad 4, Safari would crash at least once per day. It never crashed for the 14 days I owned an air. A lot of refreshing was going on but it was more stable than the 4.

I've had safari crash once on the rMini and I've already had to reboot it after it froze. Not happy with my rMini so far.
Click to expand...

I use Chrome primarily. Perhaps they have not optimized as much as they can yet.
 
Because iOS 7 is silly and unoptimized, and 1 GB of RAM in a $500 tablet is also silly.

Apple has pushed me right over to Google for mobile products. Mac OS is still great though. Android's great, but I do miss the quality that iOS apps seem to have over Android apps. Just OS alone though I have to hand it to Android lately.

I know in a couple years however, Apple will have me fully back over on their side.
 
Count Blah said:
More ram would easily mitigate the problems of a memory leak. Instead, apple chose to make $3 more per unit, offer a worse app interaction experience than the 3/4 in this regard, and hope that they could fix the software in a bout 6-9 months(maybe).

With enough people berating others for pointing this out, they also have the built in brown shirts.
Click to expand...

No, it wouldn't. More RAM would mitigate the issue until that RAM buffer was also full and then you would have the exact same issue. You can believe that Apple did this for $3/unit profit, but that's an awful simplistic viewpoint. Adding RAM doesn't necessarily make things better when you can see the whole picture.
 
macfacts said:
A side effect of this is that those web surveys of iOS web usage vs android is skewed because of this. This inflates the iOS usage numbers cause safari is reloading web pages, so it looks like iOS users are using their devices more and android devices are sitting covered in dust.
Click to expand...

Now there's an interesting point...
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.
Top Bottom
Back