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Why do some people prefer Tiger over Leopard?
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same reason i prefer xp over vista, it works more often than not.
though this is on my laptop. on my dev/production box i run 10.4 normally. but 10.3 and 10.5 occasionally for test.
though this is on my laptop. on my dev/production box i run 10.4 normally. but 10.3 and 10.5 occasionally for test.
Sorry to "spam" this thread with my problem... But it just happened again, the message forcing me to hold the power button to restart... and I was just using Pages (doing some work... FORTUNATELY I saved it like 30 seconds before it happened...) and with Adium open... What the hell? Can this be really Leopard? ( I had Leopard installed right when the day it came out and never happened this... but I switched to Tiger because I liked it better) Or is this really a hardware issue...? Should I take it to an apple store?
P.S. I'm going to re-install Leopard again anyway just to see if the problem disappears... Does anyone know what's the best way to reinstall? I usually just insert the dvd, then it asks me to reboot and it begins installing, but it seems it formats the HDD way to fast.. is this the way? ( Obviously I choose the Erase and Install option )
P.S. I'm going to re-install Leopard again anyway just to see if the problem disappears... Does anyone know what's the best way to reinstall? I usually just insert the dvd, then it asks me to reboot and it begins installing, but it seems it formats the HDD way to fast.. is this the way? ( Obviously I choose the Erase and Install option )
I swapped to Leopard and I'm very happy with it.
I really miss Shapeshifter, but pretty much every other program I need (like photoshop), well.. It's just about your relation to warez.
Also, spaces with sutherlands 'Warp' is a serious enhancement, that has really made me more productive, by being able to split (home)work from chat and games much more easily.
I'm indeed just a kid, so I guess I don't have quite the right perspective, but so far I'm only happy with Leopard. I had tiger before, and I've for a while had the feeling that Mac was greater than Tiger. Leopard has filled that watchamacallit, and those stability issues have really not bothered me.
I really miss Shapeshifter, but pretty much every other program I need (like photoshop), well.. It's just about your relation to warez.
Also, spaces with sutherlands 'Warp' is a serious enhancement, that has really made me more productive, by being able to split (home)work from chat and games much more easily.
I'm indeed just a kid, so I guess I don't have quite the right perspective, but so far I'm only happy with Leopard. I had tiger before, and I've for a while had the feeling that Mac was greater than Tiger. Leopard has filled that watchamacallit, and those stability issues have really not bothered me.
I went back to Tiger now because Nikon Capture NX 1.3.2 doesn't work in Leopard. I work most of the time with this application so I went back. Now everything runs very smooth.
Tiger's iCal was MUCH better.
Tiger seemed to be more stable (although 10.5.2 seems to have fixed this for the most part for Leopard.)
I like Tiger's soft look better than Leopard's chiseled look.
Tiger made networking easier.
VirtualBox doesn't work in Leopard (well the new beta does, but they broke the shared folders function; I can't share folders in Linux VMs).
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Anyway, I got past most of that stuff and I'm back on Leopard again. 10.5.2 seems to have done it for me. It's much faster than Tiger, too.
Tiger seemed to be more stable (although 10.5.2 seems to have fixed this for the most part for Leopard.)
I like Tiger's soft look better than Leopard's chiseled look.
Tiger made networking easier.
VirtualBox doesn't work in Leopard (well the new beta does, but they broke the shared folders function; I can't share folders in Linux VMs).
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Anyway, I got past most of that stuff and I'm back on Leopard again. 10.5.2 seems to have done it for me. It's much faster than Tiger, too.
Actually, most of the significant upgrades in Leopard are "under the hood" (see below).
How about better process scheduling, better virtual memory handling, sandboxing certain system services like Bonjour to improve security, including DTrace in the kernel to ease debugging, the FSevents API, Core Animation, the Core UI framework, Core Text, code signing, address space layer randomisation, new objective-C runtime etc. Not improvements that are immediately obvious to the end-user, true, but they will all help to drive the next generation of OS X apps.
I use Capture NX 1.3.2 with Leopard every day. Works fine for me with images from my D2H and my D3.
You are lucky... The Nikon Capture NX site say something about this issue...
Nikon Capture NX v1.3.2 Updater - Macintosh
Precautions:
Capture NX is not completely compatible with Mac OS X version 10.5 (Leopard) after installing this download. There are still certain issues that need attention before full compatibility is possible.
I have a friend that had a lot of problems with his iMac with Leopard
I finally migrated to Leopard last moth and left a Tiger boot on my external hard drive for Tiger only apps. I must say after 30 days, Leopard hangs on a fairly regular basis (about twice a week), something Tiger never did/does for me. Also, on my linksys router/cable modem combo I cannot get a reliable wireless connection. So far other locations with different equipment seem to work.
Other than that, I do enjoy some of the Leopard features, most particulary, the quicklook for photos supporting more that 100 photos.
Other than a few cosmetic changes or the above under the hood items mentioned above, I have not see a great improvement. Time Machine is a nice additional backup, and Windows network access is easier but otherwise, I don't see a compelling reason to upgrade.
I have and I don't think I will switch back but still don't beleive people who feel comfortable on Tiger have a any urgent reason to move just yet.
Cheers,
Yeah, I saw that when I downloaded that latest Mac version of NX, finally upgraded anyway. Haven't had a single problem on either machine. Before upgrading to 1.3.2, I did post on a couple of other forums trying to find out what the nature of those 1.3.2/Leopard "incompatibilities" is, but so far I've not had anyone delineate a problem.
And Leopard has been rock stable on my machines as well.
Leopard has been perfect on my iMac, really. I've had no major crashes (Except when I accidentally tried to open 80 apps at once. Woops.) whereas I had 3 on Tiger (Graphics card issues, though).
On the other hand, Tiger was also perfect after some Graphic Driver updates. I just prefer Leopard... although more RAM would be advisable (1GB gets used up fairly quickly, although it still runs MUCH better than Windows ever would).
Plus I got my first Mac in September so all apps were going "Leopard Friendly" at the time, so all the apps I bought (CS3, etc.) were suitable for Leopard as well as Tiger. So no problems there.
It's just a matter of preference. If someone is seriously annoyed at something in Leopard (Although, presumably, most general annoyances are solved with some sort of hackery now) then that's why they may still use Tiger out of choice.
On the other hand, Tiger was also perfect after some Graphic Driver updates. I just prefer Leopard... although more RAM would be advisable (1GB gets used up fairly quickly, although it still runs MUCH better than Windows ever would).
Plus I got my first Mac in September so all apps were going "Leopard Friendly" at the time, so all the apps I bought (CS3, etc.) were suitable for Leopard as well as Tiger. So no problems there.
It's just a matter of preference. If someone is seriously annoyed at something in Leopard (Although, presumably, most general annoyances are solved with some sort of hackery now) then that's why they may still use Tiger out of choice.
Leopard has a great bunch of new features, but it kind of seems like it was rushed into being released. 10.5.2 seems to have helped a lot, as 10.5.0 was unstable. There are still things that have yet to be fixed, like the dock losing it's background when running graphic-intensive apps.
why not leopard?
No internet plug-ins available yet for many browser apps - that is a big thing.
In fact, go look for the Internet Plug-ins folder in Leopard - it doesn't exist!
Leopard is also still very 'buggy' - just read the forums. I've had my Dock hide and then vanish , mouse pad issues , wake/sleep issues. Even simple things like dragging a message into a mailbox folder in Mail have caused me grief!!
So, newbies take notice - not all that glitters is gold.
No internet plug-ins available yet for many browser apps - that is a big thing.
In fact, go look for the Internet Plug-ins folder in Leopard - it doesn't exist!
Leopard is also still very 'buggy' - just read the forums. I've had my Dock hide and then vanish , mouse pad issues , wake/sleep issues. Even simple things like dragging a message into a mailbox folder in Mail have caused me grief!!
So, newbies take notice - not all that glitters is gold.
That sucks, dude. I had lots of problems with 10.5.1, but since 10.5.2 I've been 100% great.
Having upgraded to leopard, I haven't had problems that would make me wish I was on Tiger. In fact, I haven't missed Tiger at all, as I find that anything in Tiger that I needed is in Leopard.
There was a problem with Safari that an Optional Install fixed. Other than that, its been like rock. And this is on 3 machines, one a Power Mac.
No problems with networking, sharing on machines, or even backward compatibility with the majority of Apps that I use, including anything from Adobe.
From an aesthetic point of view, again, nothings makes me pine for Tiger. A work colleague of mine runs 10.4 on a 15" Powerbook, and it made me realize how dated Tiger looks. Some people regard Tiger as a slimed down product, forgetting that anorexia resides on that extreme. Some of the workflows (especially on the Network Pane) are far better in 10.5, and really lets you fly about. And the toolbar? It has caused almost as much controversy as the dreaded "I want a maximize button" topic, and for nothing really.
Overall, a top performance. Of course there are somethings that make me go, "Well I wish..." or "Would it be better if.." but these exact same things would more than likely make other users blanche in horror.
Your not going to find an OS that suits every single person, with every type of hardware, for all the obscure software that they use. Otherwise, the world would be a boring place (okay, thats just petty rhetoric)
There was a problem with Safari that an Optional Install fixed. Other than that, its been like rock. And this is on 3 machines, one a Power Mac.
No problems with networking, sharing on machines, or even backward compatibility with the majority of Apps that I use, including anything from Adobe.
From an aesthetic point of view, again, nothings makes me pine for Tiger. A work colleague of mine runs 10.4 on a 15" Powerbook, and it made me realize how dated Tiger looks. Some people regard Tiger as a slimed down product, forgetting that anorexia resides on that extreme. Some of the workflows (especially on the Network Pane) are far better in 10.5, and really lets you fly about. And the toolbar? It has caused almost as much controversy as the dreaded "I want a maximize button" topic, and for nothing really.
Overall, a top performance. Of course there are somethings that make me go, "Well I wish..." or "Would it be better if.." but these exact same things would more than likely make other users blanche in horror.
Your not going to find an OS that suits every single person, with every type of hardware, for all the obscure software that they use. Otherwise, the world would be a boring place (okay, thats just petty rhetoric)
I use both Tiger AND Leopard regularly, on both a PowerPC and an Intel Mac. Why? I need to, for development/testing purposes. That said, I haven't experienced any of the stability issues with Leopard some people are experiencing.
No problems with Leopard either, although I do miss the aesthetic features of the previous version of Front Row...
Oh, and my cursor disappears after quitting Front Row. When I move it over the dock, it re-appears. Strange problem, but not too serious fortunately.
--Erwin
Oh, and my cursor disappears after quitting Front Row. When I move it over the dock, it re-appears. Strange problem, but not too serious fortunately.
--Erwin
I'm sticking with 10.4 for now. I can't say I prefer 10.4 over 10.5 since I have not tried 10.5, but:
a) It'll be quite a while before enough of the bugs are exterminated in the 10.5 house--it took Apple a lonnng time to make 10.4 as stable as it is now.
b) I haven't heard anyone saying 10.5 is much faster than 10.4 (enlighten me if I've missed something on that point)
c) 10.5 has tons of stuff I don't need, and nothing that makes me say to myself, "Gosh, I wish I had that!" Lot's of sizzle, but precious little meat. Again, I may not be fully informed on that one.
d) Some key app.s still aren't 10.5 compatible.
e) I would have to pay $125, or whatever.
f) I would have to go through the hassle of installing and all that readjustment jazz.
g) 10.4 works just fine right now on iMAc 24' white, although recently an occasional, minor glitch--color band--in the graphics rendering has me wondering if my graphics card/s.w. is 100%. But that's a topic for another thread, perhaps.
a) It'll be quite a while before enough of the bugs are exterminated in the 10.5 house--it took Apple a lonnng time to make 10.4 as stable as it is now.
b) I haven't heard anyone saying 10.5 is much faster than 10.4 (enlighten me if I've missed something on that point)
c) 10.5 has tons of stuff I don't need, and nothing that makes me say to myself, "Gosh, I wish I had that!" Lot's of sizzle, but precious little meat. Again, I may not be fully informed on that one.
d) Some key app.s still aren't 10.5 compatible.
e) I would have to pay $125, or whatever.
f) I would have to go through the hassle of installing and all that readjustment jazz.
g) 10.4 works just fine right now on iMAc 24' white, although recently an occasional, minor glitch--color band--in the graphics rendering has me wondering if my graphics card/s.w. is 100%. But that's a topic for another thread, perhaps.
Spaces is one feature I would definately miss if I were to go back to Tiger. I don't use Time Machine, and Stacks is nice, but I could live without it.
--Erwin
--Erwin
However, you can still use Bootcamp by setting back your system date/time to before then. I usually just roll the year back one and it works fine.
