When I was on Lion I had to do more tweaks to that OS just to get it to do half the things SL did better (and easier).
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Why does everyone hate Lion?
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Lion does seem to use a lot more resources, and I don't think 2GB will be sufficient for most of us.. Overall though I like it..
It is a bit of a sacrifice because of Apple dropping Rosetta, I would've loved to play some of the older games, especially when you consider that most Macs have underpowered GPU's not like we can play latest games at native resolution..
It is a bit of a sacrifice because of Apple dropping Rosetta, I would've loved to play some of the older games, especially when you consider that most Macs have underpowered GPU's not like we can play latest games at native resolution..
I like Lion because it has iCloud. I like the iOS style. The squeaky wheel gets the oil... you'll always hear more bad than good.
OS X Lion is the first Mac OS that has caused me to retain in memory the cmd+option+escape keyboard shortcut to force quit an application (usually Safari, go figure). Before Lion I never had to use it often enough to remember the right keys for it. Now it's nearly a daily thing. It's ridiculously buggy. A RAM hog.
Although it would be a great OS if they would just fix all of the ridiculous problems. Right now its "pretty factor" is the only thing that would make me want a Mac over a Windows computer, because higher usability and problem free work is gone for now.
Although it would be a great OS if they would just fix all of the ridiculous problems. Right now its "pretty factor" is the only thing that would make me want a Mac over a Windows computer, because higher usability and problem free work is gone for now.
This is my current list of why I'm staying with SL.
#1 The downgrading of Spaces and Expose. I find Mission Control to be less powerful, and I'm sure Apple can give us a choice between Classic Spaces/Expose and Mission Control.
#2 Lion's Full-Screen mode makes multiple monitors nearly useless. Snow Leopard's Full-Screen mode is in general better. True this is specific to the app, but it generally worked better, especially when you want to watch a video in Full-screen mode on 1 monitor while continuing to work on the 2nd monitor.
#3 The loss of the "Save As..." option.
#4 The loss of "Do you want to Save?"
#5 I don't want Resume, Versions or AutoSave and not all of these can be turned off.
Lion seems like an OS that was rushed. Not only with the bugs that some have experienced, but also with the changes that many don't want. For example, though some like Mission Control, others find it less useful than SL's Spaces/Expose. In SL, I have things setup so that with 2 button presses I can see every widow I have open in every Space without overlap. So that I can easily find any window I want and can then go to it with the click of the mouse. My understanding is that this can't be done in Lion.
Also note that we should not waste energy arguing as to if the changes to Lion are good are bad. They are simply good for some, but not for some others. We should spend our energy trying to get Apple to give us the option between the old and the new.
#1 The downgrading of Spaces and Expose. I find Mission Control to be less powerful, and I'm sure Apple can give us a choice between Classic Spaces/Expose and Mission Control.
#2 Lion's Full-Screen mode makes multiple monitors nearly useless. Snow Leopard's Full-Screen mode is in general better. True this is specific to the app, but it generally worked better, especially when you want to watch a video in Full-screen mode on 1 monitor while continuing to work on the 2nd monitor.
#3 The loss of the "Save As..." option.
#4 The loss of "Do you want to Save?"
#5 I don't want Resume, Versions or AutoSave and not all of these can be turned off.
Lion seems like an OS that was rushed. Not only with the bugs that some have experienced, but also with the changes that many don't want. For example, though some like Mission Control, others find it less useful than SL's Spaces/Expose. In SL, I have things setup so that with 2 button presses I can see every widow I have open in every Space without overlap. So that I can easily find any window I want and can then go to it with the click of the mouse. My understanding is that this can't be done in Lion.
Also note that we should not waste energy arguing as to if the changes to Lion are good are bad. They are simply good for some, but not for some others. We should spend our energy trying to get Apple to give us the option between the old and the new.
Do you even know what that saying means?
If you're saying Apple will restore features taken out of Lion because of all the complainers then I can only hope.Not sure that's possible. Lion's changes are too entrenched in iOS and that's where they want to take us (albeit kicking and screaming for some).
I only remember Apple caving in once that was the reinstatement of the firewire port. Knowing they are capable of doing something that stupid at the time only illustrates how oblivious and detached they are from consumer needs.
I guess there was also the "put back" command you see by right-clicking the trash icon. It mysteriously got deleted and I'm not sure how many OS versions went by before they remembered to put it back starting with SL again.
I've heard the OSX team is not very big in relation to the iOS department. Just a very small handful of coders. It really shows.
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Other than taking away the gesture in Safari to quickly scroll to the top (Three fingers up while in Safari) I have absolutely enjoyed Lion. Sure I had to get used to Mission Control/App Expose but honestly I like it more now.
I use it at work and have found many of the features to be awesome. However Lion Server just continues to irritate me with bugs.
I use it at work and have found many of the features to be awesome. However Lion Server just continues to irritate me with bugs.
My original qualm was lower battery life compared to Snow Leopard doing the exact same tasks.
Other than that, simple things like animations and Launchpad were slightly lagging, which was obvious to my eyes. We got a 2011 Mac Mini and experienced the same lag (stuttery or pausing animations), so I thought it could just be a graphics bug and got over it then.
Then I thought that if the battery life was low anyway, I might as well go for extreme performance and got a 15" quad-core MBP instead.
Let me tell you... there was a NOTICEABLE difference between a quad-core Mac and a dual-core Mac. I'd have thought that the Mac Mini would have had quite a powerful processor that could handle Lion well, but no.
Even something as silly as Launchpad took a quad-core processor to not lag while you open it up. Certain things like zooming in and out of websites in Safari didn't improve much, but general performance was a class of its own. This was very different because under SL, I can still clearly remember that regardless if I was running a Macbook Air with a 1.4GHz CPU or a Macbook Pro with a Core i7 2.66GHz CPU, the difference in performance was not noticeable at all.
So now I know for a fact that the lower battery life estimate and laggy performance under Lion that most people are experiencing is just due to increased processor usage under Lion. There is no other way around it.
But since my new MBP can handle it, I have no more qualm. But I still keep my low-power Macs on SL based on what I have experienced with Lion.
I don't believe it's fair to condemn Lion so early in it's young life. Based on past experience it's only normal for Apple to have issues that require debugging. Apple will have much of it resolved after two or three more revs.
I'm taking a wait and see position. Fact is you just don't know until you allow Apple more time to improve it.
I'm taking a wait and see position. Fact is you just don't know until you allow Apple more time to improve it.
I believe neither Lion nor Snow Leopard is better. They are different systems, some prefer one over the other - I believe Mission Control has its own merits as opposed to Expose + Spaces dual system.
There are three types of Exposé in entire OS X history:
1. Expose Original - Expose of all windows
2. Expose Mission Control - Expose of all applications
3. Expose App - Expose of windows of a particular application
With Lion, you can argue that Apple chose to split original Expose into 2 and 3. So that is an extra step to finding a window when you are first looking for it - as well as an extra step going back to mission control, so that's two extra steps in total. The best thing that would have kept everyone happy with Expose is to just implement the original expose and spaces into mission control. Problem with that approach that Apple would have thought would be that for low resolution Macs i.e. Macbooks it would make windows look too small when in Mission Control. However it will be perfect way to make full use of high resolution iMac/Thunderbolt Displays!
A compromise was inevitable - Mission Control works best for people who use one or two windows of different applications, and works worst for people who use +5 windows of few (=<3) applications. Like I said this means there isn't such a thing as which is better.
There are three types of Exposé in entire OS X history:
1. Expose Original - Expose of all windows
2. Expose Mission Control - Expose of all applications
3. Expose App - Expose of windows of a particular application
With Lion, you can argue that Apple chose to split original Expose into 2 and 3. So that is an extra step to finding a window when you are first looking for it - as well as an extra step going back to mission control, so that's two extra steps in total. The best thing that would have kept everyone happy with Expose is to just implement the original expose and spaces into mission control. Problem with that approach that Apple would have thought would be that for low resolution Macs i.e. Macbooks it would make windows look too small when in Mission Control. However it will be perfect way to make full use of high resolution iMac/Thunderbolt Displays!
A compromise was inevitable - Mission Control works best for people who use one or two windows of different applications, and works worst for people who use +5 windows of few (=<3) applications. Like I said this means there isn't such a thing as which is better.
I think that as with Snow Leopard, hardware eventually caught up, and the difference in performance was no more once people upgraded their devices.
Snow Leopard used to run so poorly on Core Duo processors if my memory serves me well.
Can't stand it. This is the buggiest Mac OS I've used since Apple went over from OS9 to OSX. OSX wasn't really sorted until about 10.2.
What do I hate? I just bought a new 11.6" Air and couldn't even get past the initial set-up without Lion telling me to two-finger scroll to continue . . . which of course (no matter how I tried to scroll) would not recognise my inputs. I had to physically turn off the machine with the start button and reboot before I could even start using the machine on the first day!
The trackpad swipes are so hit and miss, I simply can't use all but the most basic ones. Maybe I have funny fingers or something . . . but most multi-finger swipes just don't work with me.
Lion is SLOW. SLOW. SLOW. I'm using an i5 and this thing is slower than any of my C2Ds.
What else? The little bugs, like not being able to turn sound feedback fully off (you can turn it off in System Preferences, but every time you delete a song in iTunes, you still get feedback).
I hate the grey scroll bars, even though I've selected a "blue" appearance - like all my other Macs (we have six at home in total).
I hate that I've already had to force quit various programs even though I've only had the machine a few days and upgraded all my software as soon as I got it - I haven't had to force quite a single program in my 2010 13" Air using Snow Leopard.
I hate the "beachball of death" - can't remember seeing so many beachballs since OSX/10.1 etc. It just hangs.
I hate that it doesn't instantly wake up like my 2010 Air with Snow Leopard.
I hate that both Quicktime and iTunes are buggy and can't play various audio and movie files that VLC handles with ease.
I could go on, but I've only just started using Lion and I'm sure I haven't uncovered (or even remembered) all its bugs yet.
All I know is when I bought my 2010 Air I was amazed at how fast and agile the thing was compared to my 15" fully optioned 2008 MacBook Pro.
This 2011 Air is a bit of a dog in comparison, but I have no doubt it's all to do with Lion.
What do I hate? I just bought a new 11.6" Air and couldn't even get past the initial set-up without Lion telling me to two-finger scroll to continue . . . which of course (no matter how I tried to scroll) would not recognise my inputs. I had to physically turn off the machine with the start button and reboot before I could even start using the machine on the first day!
The trackpad swipes are so hit and miss, I simply can't use all but the most basic ones. Maybe I have funny fingers or something . . . but most multi-finger swipes just don't work with me.
Lion is SLOW. SLOW. SLOW. I'm using an i5 and this thing is slower than any of my C2Ds.
What else? The little bugs, like not being able to turn sound feedback fully off (you can turn it off in System Preferences, but every time you delete a song in iTunes, you still get feedback).
I hate the grey scroll bars, even though I've selected a "blue" appearance - like all my other Macs (we have six at home in total).
I hate that I've already had to force quit various programs even though I've only had the machine a few days and upgraded all my software as soon as I got it - I haven't had to force quite a single program in my 2010 13" Air using Snow Leopard.
I hate the "beachball of death" - can't remember seeing so many beachballs since OSX/10.1 etc. It just hangs.
I hate that it doesn't instantly wake up like my 2010 Air with Snow Leopard.
I hate that both Quicktime and iTunes are buggy and can't play various audio and movie files that VLC handles with ease.
I could go on, but I've only just started using Lion and I'm sure I haven't uncovered (or even remembered) all its bugs yet.
All I know is when I bought my 2010 Air I was amazed at how fast and agile the thing was compared to my 15" fully optioned 2008 MacBook Pro.
This 2011 Air is a bit of a dog in comparison, but I have no doubt it's all to do with Lion.
Thank you!! When I spend 2 grand I want the hardware and performance to reflect that amount of money, instead up until recently all you got in a iMac was 2 gig ram a core2duo and a 320 gig hdd! Sad but the. Apple Has some hd issue and they just like all others will sell faulty products made in china by slaves. Lion is at least 6 months too soon. Time for a new American company that vales the middle class, the constitution and made in USA.
I actually think Lion is great. It's smooth and fast and I haven't had any major problems with it. I really like the Recovery HD and Internet Recovery... two very easy and smart features for Apple to put in. You'll never need a disc again!
The server portion of Lion however is... not good. It's weak to say the least. Apple basically took away features and the more "complex" options of Snow Leopard and called it Lion. Some services that need to be configured with special options (that are very easy to set in Snow Leopard), such as Web, are hidden away in Lion. Instead, there is an "On/Off" switch. You can't touch anything in the GUI and this is unacceptable. So far, the Server OS is extremely buggy as well. I'll give Apple a few more months to squash bugs as I'd expect this with any server OS, but the main bug is with hosting multiple websites! Come on! Didn't anyone test this before Apple started selling it? It's unfortunate to see that Apple is pushing the pro-users out the door...
The server portion of Lion however is... not good. It's weak to say the least. Apple basically took away features and the more "complex" options of Snow Leopard and called it Lion. Some services that need to be configured with special options (that are very easy to set in Snow Leopard), such as Web, are hidden away in Lion. Instead, there is an "On/Off" switch. You can't touch anything in the GUI and this is unacceptable. So far, the Server OS is extremely buggy as well. I'll give Apple a few more months to squash bugs as I'd expect this with any server OS, but the main bug is with hosting multiple websites! Come on! Didn't anyone test this before Apple started selling it? It's unfortunate to see that Apple is pushing the pro-users out the door...
Uh ? How is that a Lion bug at all ?
Quicktime and iTunes just don't support the same codecs VLC does. Always been this way, always will be.
Because the same files played fine with 10.6.x. Do a search and you'll see a lot of others are having the same or similar issues since upgrading to Lion. Is it a Lion bug? You tell me.
Here are just some of many, many examples:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1195356/
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1196203/
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1194209/
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3220787?start=0&tstart=0
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3212692?start=0&tstart=0
Here are just some of many, many examples:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1195356/
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1196203/
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1194209/
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3220787?start=0&tstart=0
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3212692?start=0&tstart=0
Don't worry, already have VLC and Perian installed. Can't recommend them enough.
I'll add another bug to my list of gripes: unable to wake from Sleep by swiping the trackpad or moving the mouse.
I'm sure I'll find a few more as I explore. It's only been a few days . . .
I could accept this logic if owners of new Apple hardware had the option to run Snow Leopard if they wanted until Lion matures but they don't....It's a forced upgrade to an OS that still has issues.
You're mixing 2 issues here, a "no sound" bug with a "some files don't play" issue. The "some files don't play" is probably just a case of missing codecs, especially if they play in VLC. Quicktime never was quite up to snuff here as Apple doesn't really see the benefit of the open source codecs mostly.
The no sound thing after battery drains, etc.. are bugs and should be reported to Apple.
Also, your trackpad seems to be having hardware issues rather than Lion issues. I have no problems with gestures or other trackpad related events under Lion on my 2010 MBA.
Nor do I have anymore beachballs than I did with Snow Leopard (anyway, the only beachballs I ever get are when doing file transfers over the network with Finder, and I've had those since Leopard, so hardly a "OS" related issue, this is purely because Finder always sucked and still does).
Also, my C2D machine is not sluggish at all, nor have I had battery issues moving up to Lion.
The only "issue" I have had that you say is the "instant-on" issue, but frankly, it's barely slower than SL was (the MBA never was "instant-on" to begin with after going to deep sleep and for normal sleep, it's as instant-on as any Mac I've ever seen, quite the marketing gimmick Apple pulled there).
So we're not allowed to address Lion issues to help others with their concerns? I guess we're only allowed to hate on Lion on this forum and keep a circle of misery.
So we're not allowed to address Lion issues to help others with their concerns? I guess we're only allowed to hate on Lion on this forum and keep a circle of misery.
Using a workaround as a rebuttal doesn't work. That's what I wanted to say.
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