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If you shop at Target a lot, it's really a great deal. Of course that's only if you pay off the Redcard every month and not accrue any of their usury-level interest.

I'm really hoping I can link my Redcard to Apple Pay (though it said no store cards at inception), and use that at Target. I keep my Redcard in the third fold of my wallet, and using my phone would really be much easier.

But do you get 5% off every purchase or just the first? I'd thought it was only the first. But, either way, I get better rewards from my other cards.
 
I'm sure Walmart will get Apple Pay support soon enough...

They recently just updated all their terminals to support chipped cards. This will take a few months.
 
Not necessarily. It'll come down to a question of cost - is the cost of implementing a new POS across all of Walmart to allow for NFC payments greater than the income that might be lost by the people who refuse to shop anywhere that doesn't have NFC? If it is greater, then there's no point in implementing it. Anything a business does has to be expected to be ROI-positive.

It's likely only a relative handful of people would refuse to shop there just over Apple Pay/NFC since:
1. Walmart has a fairly large demographic of users that are not in the overlapping part of the Venn Diagram with Apple users.
2. Of the Apple users who shop there, I'd guess a pretty small subset would give up whatever benefit they derive from Walmart over a payment method that didn't exist until now.

If that's the case, I wouldn't expect them to spend millions and millions to replace their POS and train on the new system.
With all the credit card breaches going on, I think retailers will eventually have to move to the Chip and PIN system used in Europe or NFC to prevent credit card fraud. I reckon preventing losses from credit card fraud and theft will be worth upgrading their POS terminals.
 
With all the credit card breaches going on, I think retailers will eventually have to move to the Chip and PIN system used in Europe or NFC to prevent credit card fraud. I reckon preventing losses from credit card fraud and theft will be worth upgrading their POS terminals. They don't have to support ApplePay but if they already have to support NFC anyway, they'll likely just give in.

NFC is not necessary for chip and pin.
 
As an aside, I love when Target asks me if I'd like to "open a new Redcard account and save 5% today" when my total is like $8.00. Yes, I'd really like to save $0.40 in exchange for a hard pull on my credit. Great deal.

Used to work at Target, and the cashier asks you, even on small purchases, because they'll get chewed out by their boss if they don't hear them ask you. One time one of the managers overheard me not asking someone if they'd like to apply for a card and save 10% on their purchase that didn't even total two dollars. He yelled at me until I told him that it was a little kid buying candy.

They hear it from the higher ups. The big wigs at the top want people to sign up for those credit cards because of the astronomical 20% or higher interest rate, and **** rolls downhill so employees are stuck pushing those damn things.
 
Used to work at Target, and the cashier asks you, even on small purchases, because they'll get chewed out by their boss if they don't hear them ask you. One time one of the managers overheard me not asking someone if they'd like to apply for a card and save 10% on their purchase that didn't even total two dollars. He yelled at me until I told him that it was a little kid buying candy.

They hear it from the higher ups. The big wigs at the top want people to sign up for those credit cards because of the astronomical 20% or higher interest rate, and **** rolls downhill so employees are stuck pushing those damn things.

Oh, trust me, I assumed that was the reason. I'm not blaming the cashier for doing what they're told. It's just a mind-bogglingly dumb proposition for small purchases.
 
Used to work at Target, and the cashier asks you, even on small purchases, because they'll get chewed out by their boss if they don't hear them ask you. One time one of the managers overheard me not asking someone if they'd like to apply for a card and save 10% on their purchase that didn't even total two dollars. He yelled at me until I told him that it was a little kid buying candy.

They hear it from the higher ups. The big wigs at the top want people to sign up for those credit cards because of the astronomical 20% or higher interest rate, and **** rolls downhill so employees are stuck pushing those damn things.

I hate when I get 20 questions at the cash register anymore. Do you have this card, do you want this, do you have that. I just want to pay and get out of there -- aargh. It may be a great deal, but I just tune it all out. I'm not hear to chit chat. I'm hear to pay -- let's move it.
 
"In the process of upgrading to EMV standards, many merchants will also include the contactless readers and thus will simultaneously become NFC payment ready."

Words have meanings. Notice the "also" I bolded in your post. Again, the merchants may buy new terminals for chip and pin that *also* support NFC. But they *also* may not. They *also* may buy those terminals and disable the NFC feature, similar to Target.

I reiterate, NFC is *not* necessary for chip and pin, but new chip and pin terminals *might* also have NFC on board at the hardware level.
 
NFC is not necessary for chip and pin.
It's not but I reckon lazy people in the US (that includes me) would prefer contactless payment over chip and PIN. Retailers are going to have to upgrade their terminals anyway. Might as well support both chip and PIN and NFC. :p
 
Oh, trust me, I assumed that was the reason. I'm not blaming the cashier for doing what they're told. It's just a mind-bogglingly dumb proposition for small purchases.

Well, now it's 5% off every purchase, so even if you're only spending a few bucks now it could be worthwhile when you spend more money. But when I worked there, it was 10% off your first purchase and that was it, so yeah, it's extremely stupid to ask when they're spending 7 dollars - as if anyone is dumb enough take the hit on their credit report for 70 cents in savings.

I hate when I get 20 questions at the cash register anymore. Do you have this card, do you want this, do you have that. I just want to pay and get out of there -- aargh. It may be a great deal, but I just tune it all out. I'm not hear to chit chat. I'm hear to pay -- let's move it.

I'm with you on that. I want to pay and GTFO.
 
Words have meanings. Notice the "also" I bolded in your post. Again, the merchants may buy new terminals for chip and pin that *also* support NFC. But they *also* may not. They *also* may buy those terminals and disable the NFC feature, similar to Target.

I reiterate, NFC is *not* necessary for chip and pin, but new chip and pin terminals *might* also have NFC on board at the hardware level.

Most do, including the new Verifone Mx915/925 used by Walmart and Target. They chose to disable them, more than likely due to compatibility. They do have Chip and PIN
 
It's not but I reckon lazy people in the US (that includes me) would prefer contactless payment over chip and PIN. Retailers are going to have to upgrade their terminals anyway. Might as well support both chip and PIN and NFC. :p

Yet almost nobody knows about it, even those who have contactless cards that support it. Lots of POS systems have it but the store doesn't enable it as well.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if merchants updated their POS systems and still either didn't buy ones with NFC or didn't enable the NFC.

My overall point was that a move to chip and pin doesn't likely mean universal Apple Pay support.

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Most do, including the new Verifone Mx915/925 used by Walmart and Target. They chose to disable them, more than likely due to compatibility. They do have Chip and PIN

Again, you're also missing the point, the point is not that some chip and pin terminals might also have NFC. The point is they either might not have NFC or might not have NFC enabled and that chip and pin support is not in any way a guarantee of universal NFC support.
 
I hate when I get 20 questions at the cash register anymore. Do you have this card, do you want this, do you have that. I just want to pay and get out of there -- aargh. It may be a great deal, but I just tune it all out. I'm not hear to chit chat. I'm hear to pay -- let's move it.

amazingly best buy is one of the best shopping experiences now from some of the retail stores i visit
 
I hate when I get 20 questions at the cash register anymore. Do you have this card, do you want this, do you have that. I just want to pay and get out of there -- aargh. It may be a great deal, but I just tune it all out. I'm not hear to chit chat. I'm hear to pay -- let's move it.

This is why I prefer self checkout. It also gives me time to play with my payment options like Apple Pay without annoying the cashier.
 
Yes you are right. Hating them for not wanting Apple Pay is stupid.

You know what's not stupid? Hating them because they take advantage of their employees. They underpay them while the executives roll in cash.

I refuse to shop at Walmart because of the way they mistreat their employees.

still not as bad as amazon and their warehouse workers
 
still not as bad as amazon and their warehouse workers

I worked for Walmart, and honestly I don't see what people who has never worked there are complaining about. It is like any other retail job, and you get a bonus as well every quarter. I don't hate them, but I'm mad that they aren't enabling NFC
 
Yet almost nobody knows about it, even those who have contactless cards that support it. Lots of POS systems have it but the store doesn't enable it as well.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if merchants updated their POS systems and still either didn't buy ones with NFC or didn't enable the NFC.

My overall point was that a move to chip and pin doesn't likely mean universal Apple Pay support.
That's because magnetic stripe + signature is still the most familiar to customers. As long as that's still offered, I reckon that's what most customers will use. Between chip and PIN and NFC, though? I reckon the convenience of NFC will win out. I doubt a lot of folks would want to memorize a whole bunch of different PINs for each of their credit cards. Retailers might not like it at the moment but as momentum grows, they're gonna have to support it eventually.
 
That's because magnetic stripe + signature is still the most familiar to customers. As long as that's still offered, I reckon that's what most customers will use. Between chip and PIN and NFC, though? I reckon the convenience of NFC will win out. I doubt a lot of folks would want to memorize a whole bunch of different PINs for each of their credit cards.

I'm hoping that Apple Pay will win out due to the inconvenience of Chip & PIN. At Walmart, processing a Chip & PIN transaction no joke took about 30 seconds, before I was able to remove my card.

Apple Pay, tap and go.
 
But do you get 5% off every purchase or just the first? I'd thought it was only the first. But, either way, I get better rewards from my other cards.

Yeah, it's every purchase now. I don't think that's how it used to be, though.
 
amazingly best buy is one of the best shopping experiences now from some of the retail stores i visit

Do they still have the annoying greeters? I don't need to be corporately greeted by people mandated by their job to say "hello" when I walk in a store. I hate when places do that.
 
There's a lot wrong with Wal-Mart, and it's been that way since before Apple Pay was even in Tim Cook's wildest dreams.

I do not shop there but have no problems with Walmart. Most people I know like them very much and save a good bit of money.

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Yes you are right. Hating them for not wanting Apple Pay is stupid.

You know what's not stupid? Hating them because they take advantage of their employees. They underpay them while the executives roll in cash.

I refuse to shop at Walmart because of the way they mistreat their employees.

Sorry but each and every employee has a choice and if they choose to work at Walmart, then it is their choice.

Apple is no different than Walmart, you have heard about how the people they pay to put their devices together treat it's employees! I suspect they have LESS choice yet you buy Apple products! SO do not lay that progressive cr^p on me. I believe in free enterprise all the way!

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If currentc doesn't take off (and I don't expect it to) Walmart may eventually give in and allow Apple Pay.

I do not see why.

There are no advantages for Walmart to play with Apple.
 
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