Actually Apple is "smarter" they got users to buy an iP4 with a processor bump and SIRI and called it the 4S. People went nuts. So why should they expect the masses to not just line up again and buy a iP5 with a longer screen, slight design change by relocating the headphone jack, new speaker grills, thinner and LTE. Sure they will just say all the changes are under the hood and voila sales will be up.
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Why don't people believe we've seen the new iPhone? *Should've Believed Me
- Thread starter newyorksole
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
Spot on. Last time I checked, Apple did the same "minor" changes with the iPod lines year after after and those sold well.
Thanks to the OP. I wanna bookmark this thread then revisit and laugh at all the people who are delusional with "This is all obvious fakes created by Apple! Apple will fail selling the same design again".
I did this when the iPhone 4 leaked in April 2010. You read the same crazy/far-fetched explanations on why the leaks are fake and "un-Apple".
Funny thing is, the last time some Extreme different design was leaked before the last release (including cases to match) and THEY RELEASED THE SAME OL' THING!
I hope they are showing the same o'l thing (NOW LONGER!) and Finally give us somthing new and different!
I hope they are showing the same o'l thing (NOW LONGER!) and Finally give us somthing new and different!
You know what's funny? If you photoshopped a screen on there, this could be the next internet rumor of the new iPhone leaked to a US supplier. And you made it at home in about an hour.
People say the 4 to 4s was a minor jump when in actuality it was a large jump.
Suddenly your phone had twice the CPU processing power and 6x the GPU power. The camera was much faster and had higher resolution. The noise cancellation was built right into the SoC along with an Image Processor. It did stabilization and better face detection. The GPS got more accurate, the antenna improved.
But in the end of the day the consumer is largely ignorant to the ramifications of such changes. Apple could have repackaged the 4 into a larger screen and people would have said "WOW" because it would have been the most evident change that they could visibly see.
Suddenly your phone had twice the CPU processing power and 6x the GPU power. The camera was much faster and had higher resolution. The noise cancellation was built right into the SoC along with an Image Processor. It did stabilization and better face detection. The GPS got more accurate, the antenna improved.
But in the end of the day the consumer is largely ignorant to the ramifications of such changes. Apple could have repackaged the 4 into a larger screen and people would have said "WOW" because it would have been the most evident change that they could visibly see.
Those are the reasons I liked the 4S. They took the best selling phone and made it sexier from the inside out. Siri was like the cherry on top.
....... A cherry that looked delicious, but didn't taste too good.
Here's my take. Apple knows that phone contracts are 2 years, so they are less likely to come out with a big facelift in mid cycle. The S models are for new converts who are going to buy whatever model is out. For this model, especially with all the buildup over a year, they know they need to come up with something big. If they don't, they are taking a big risk in losing market share wi their core buyers. A stretched iPhone 4 with a different bezel would be a big fail, IMO.
I don't see them doing that. I really see something similar to the other phone shown the cases being much more likely.
That's just keeping up with the Jones'...or in this case, playing catchup with the Jones'.
The problem is that having twice the CPU power and 6x the GPU power isn't tangible when you use the phone. The iPhone 4 isn't slow or laggy, so the 4S is really only marginally faster in real use. Having a web page load up say 10 milliseconds faster is really not very noticeable. It's not like the S is really 2x or 6x faster. And the other changes you mentioned are still just enhancements to what was already there.
It wasn't a big jump and it was a disappointment when a lot of people were expecting a new phone. I think that has resulted in a lot of negative viewpoints on it, some justified, some not.
I think one major reason people don't believe the leaks is because Tim Cook made such a big deal about "doubling down" on secrecy and security. Either he sucks and failed miserably or he is a genius and engineered all of these fake leaks.
Seems far fetched to me to think they would leak all of this but I wouldn't put it past them. Who knows. A lot of people are hopeful because it has been the same design for 2 years. And in the tech world that is a LIFETIME. That is my two cents.
Seems far fetched to me to think they would leak all of this but I wouldn't put it past them. Who knows. A lot of people are hopeful because it has been the same design for 2 years. And in the tech world that is a LIFETIME. That is my two cents.
I don't understand why it has to have a new design to be a new phone.
I would be completely happy if they made an iPhone 4Gs with better specs... A6 chip, HD Speakers, FaceTime HD, Gorilla Glass 2 on front AND back, thinner, and 4G LTE. I don't see the purpose of adding aluminum to the back or making the screen longer just to make it look new.
But I do believe the rumors, I think they are legit.
I would be completely happy if they made an iPhone 4Gs with better specs... A6 chip, HD Speakers, FaceTime HD, Gorilla Glass 2 on front AND back, thinner, and 4G LTE. I don't see the purpose of adding aluminum to the back or making the screen longer just to make it look new.
But I do believe the rumors, I think they are legit.
I upgraded my 3Gs to a used iPhone 4 and I was pretty surprised about how smooth it was since my 3GS was just too slow with iOS 5. Phones are simply pocketable computers. Which means while people don't perceive tangible benefits now the extra horsepower is there on tap waiting for software to catch up. For instance OpenCL support isn't available beyond a private API but eventually it'll be ready and those with capable GPU will benefit even if their iPhone is a couple of years old. You're correct though, a lot of people with limited technical depth perceived the phone to be a disappointment. To them a substantial phone was a new form factor which is fine but if they only knew how difficult it is to engineer a phone they'd understand why Apple doesn't throw out a design in a year.
I think they're legit as well. I think the longer screen was a good choice. In the end we're dealing with physics here and if Apple was willing to create a new SIM card format just to save a sliver of plastic worth of space then it's clear why they want a smaller dock connector and slightly larger case. The extra space afforded to them probably is equivalent to moving from a Mini Cooper to a mid sized sedan.
Mad Mac Maniac
macrumors 601
You, my friend, win a prize. The 3GS and 4S iterations were both probably larger technological leaps than the 3G and the 4, but of course nobody cares about the internals. If the looks didn't change its "Just the same phone with a slighter better processor!
" Personally, I'm satisfied with the size and look of the iPhone 5, but what I really want to know is all the important factors. Battery life, processor speed, RAM, camera, LTE?, NFC?It's so funny reading this thread and seeing how many people are in denial. They believe apple would never release this because they don't like it. I was just saying in another thread about how I am certain this 4" stretched screen will happen, because it is the all around best decision/compromise for Apple.
It keeps the phone size/imprint nearly the same, which is important for children/girls. It boosts the screen size just large enough to be considered a substantial increase to satisfy those wanting a larger screen. It provides in the easiest possible route for devs while maintaining "retina" status. It increases "usable" real estate a lot more (particularly for things like video, but also allows more horizontal bars which is essential to most apps). It creates just the exact space for 1 additional row of icons (If apple were to make the screen large enough to also include 1 additional column of icons the screen would probably be on the scale of 4.5", which many people would agree is approaching too large)
I'm mostly ambivalent towards screen size. In an absolutely ideal world, I would probably want a screen in the 4.0-4.3" range (with the same aspect ratio as now). But with the hand that Apple dealt itself 5 years ago, I think 4" elongated is the best way to go, and I know i will be very happy with it.
^^^ well said and I 100% agree.
^^^^ Well said and I 100% agree.
You, my friend, win a prize. The 3GS and 4S iterations were both probably larger technological leaps than the 3G and the 4, but of course nobody cares about the internals. If the looks didn't change its "Just the same phone with a slighter better processor!
It's so funny reading this thread and seeing how many people are in denial. They believe apple would never release this because they don't like it. I was just saying in another thread about how I am certain this 4" stretched screen will happen, because it is the all around best decision/compromise for Apple.
It keeps the phone size/imprint nearly the same, which is important for children/girls. It boosts the screen size just large enough to be considered a substantial increase to satisfy those wanting a larger screen. It provides in the easiest possible route for devs while maintaining "retina" status. It increases "usable" real estate a lot more (particularly for things like video, but also allows more horizontal bars which is essential to most apps). It creates just the exact space for 1 additional row of icons (If apple were to make the screen large enough to also include 1 additional column of icons the screen would probably be on the scale of 4.5", which many people would agree is approaching too large)
I'm mostly ambivalent towards screen size. In an absolutely ideal world, I would probably want a screen in the 4.0-4.3" range (with the same aspect ratio as now). But with the hand that Apple dealt itself 5 years ago, I think 4" elongated is the best way to go, and I know i will be very happy with it.
^^^^ Well said and I 100% agree.
Except that's not going to be the only thing that's changed which is why it is believable.
Maybe it's because, like me, they can't believe that Apple is actually going ahead with this insane idea of making the phone taller and not wider.
If it is the stretched iphone I am getting an android! The design needs to be different, taller and wider is what they should do with it. I dont care if the developers get all pissy about it, they can deal with it. Besides without us buying their apps they wouldnt exist. It would be dumb just to make a phone that makes the developers happy and the customers upset. So if they want to make money they will deal with it.
My take on it is this: People are upset because the leaked photos show a phone that is different than what they want/expect out of Apple. They believe that because the last two generations were twins (on the outside) that Apple has to do a complete redesign or they're going to lose their market share. What I don't think they realize is the hardware is not nearly as important as the software.
These devices are released for one reason: to run the software efficiently. That is why we've gotten similar models with increased specs every other year and why it doesn't matter that Apple is releasing something very similar to the past two generations (yes, I believe the leaked photos are what we'll see next month).
If it wasn't for iOS slowing down on my iPhone 4, I'd never upgrade. Unfortunately, the hardware is slowly becoming outdated with the added functionality that is going into iOS and if I want that smooth, buttery experience that iOS is known for I have to follow the natural flow of technological advancement. And THAT is why a good majority of the people complaining about the new design will still upgrade.
In regards to the camp of "Apple better do x or y or I'm jumping to Android", I wish them all the best. I've attempted to do the same but with the money I have poured into the App Store and the (increasing but still sub-par) quality of apps on Android and Windows Phone I've never been able to stay away for long.
Apple will be fine no matter what they put out because some people (like myself) are in it for the software and I don't expect I'm in the minority. I don't care what the device looks like as long as it works.
These devices are released for one reason: to run the software efficiently. That is why we've gotten similar models with increased specs every other year and why it doesn't matter that Apple is releasing something very similar to the past two generations (yes, I believe the leaked photos are what we'll see next month).
If it wasn't for iOS slowing down on my iPhone 4, I'd never upgrade. Unfortunately, the hardware is slowly becoming outdated with the added functionality that is going into iOS and if I want that smooth, buttery experience that iOS is known for I have to follow the natural flow of technological advancement. And THAT is why a good majority of the people complaining about the new design will still upgrade.
In regards to the camp of "Apple better do x or y or I'm jumping to Android", I wish them all the best. I've attempted to do the same but with the money I have poured into the App Store and the (increasing but still sub-par) quality of apps on Android and Windows Phone I've never been able to stay away for long.
Apple will be fine no matter what they put out because some people (like myself) are in it for the software and I don't expect I'm in the minority. I don't care what the device looks like as long as it works.
The "majority" of people? Really? You mean the majority here on MacRumors right?
I gaurantee you that if the design we've seen that's supposedly the 'leaked' phone, goes on sale then it will be the best selling iPhone yet!
I seriously doubt the 'majority' of people are going to flock to Android because this stupid new iPhone is out.
Do people actually believe that the MILLIONS of people that have purchased iPhones and have come to learn and live within iOs are going to turn down a larger screen iPhone and go elsewhere? That's laughable to even consider possible, lol.
I haven't met many (any?) with iPhone's that say, "I hate my iPhone and wish I had something else..." The people that dislike it usually quickly move on.
Most folks that aren't as passionate about smartphone technology like most of us geeks would be excited to see the exact same design as the 4/4S with a 4+" screen and buy without thinking twice.
End rant.
Let's get something clear....
Everyone who is saying that it is the next iPhone is in the same place as us hoping it's not.
NOTHING has been confirmed.
They're only "leaks" and who's to say one person came out with this leak and others took it and made it ther own leak?
I'm hoping it's not the new iPhone but if it is then okay, I'll get over it. It's just a phone.
But we shouldn't say these so called leaks are legit because they're leaks and not CONFIRMED.
One thing for sure, whether you think it is the iphone or not, September 12th can't come soon enough
True. Can't frickin' wait!
I am pretty confident this is the new iPhone and I am totally happy with it. If it has inductive or wireless charging of some kind which I think it might, it will be my perfect iPhone. I LOVE the proposed screen size and think the whole design actually looks pretty good. Ill be buying it.
it could be it may not be, but remember they could stuff all the new internals into a 4s shell only taller and modify the shell for the new speakers and dock connector to avoid the iPhone 4 fiasco again. this way if someone sees it in public it doesn't necessarily give away that it's the new iPhone. I figure from a distance you could probably barely tell them apart sort of an ingenious camouflage if you will. or it could be the new iPhone well see soon enough