Hmm.Maybe my prior post needed a batch of emoticons... sheesh.
Or disclaimers? Like /joshin'
In that case, my apologies.
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Why don't people believe we've seen the new iPhone? *Should've Believed Me
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In that case, my apologies.
I think that the next few weeks will be crucial. Previous iPhone leaks have often been quashed by fresh leaks right before the keynote (as manufacturing/distribution becomes incraesingly difficult to keep under wraps).
In addition, Tim is still under pressure to prove himself to shareholders, and simple things like not 'doubling down', when you have expressed that you will, can be damaging.
As to the tall/not tall debate, I really like the size of my 3GS and wouldn't want the new iphone to be any larger physically, but within those dimensions (actually slightly larger than the iphone 4) there is plenty of space for a screen size incraese.
I do not think that a tall iphone looks particularly good, but apple have ignored the golden ratio before with various iterations of the iPod nano (in particular the fat 3rd generation). Either way I am not overly bothered though, as my next iPhone will be an iPhone 4 or 4S.
Finally, I think that there is a significant tendancy on this forum to expect apple to do what a small minority of people interested in apple products (enough to post ad nauseum about them - myself included) want. While this was more the case in the late nineties and early naughties, those days are long gone. And from what I can gather, literally nobody I know wants a big phone. They want something that looks cool.
In addition, Tim is still under pressure to prove himself to shareholders, and simple things like not 'doubling down', when you have expressed that you will, can be damaging.
As to the tall/not tall debate, I really like the size of my 3GS and wouldn't want the new iphone to be any larger physically, but within those dimensions (actually slightly larger than the iphone 4) there is plenty of space for a screen size incraese.
I do not think that a tall iphone looks particularly good, but apple have ignored the golden ratio before with various iterations of the iPod nano (in particular the fat 3rd generation). Either way I am not overly bothered though, as my next iPhone will be an iPhone 4 or 4S.
Finally, I think that there is a significant tendancy on this forum to expect apple to do what a small minority of people interested in apple products (enough to post ad nauseum about them - myself included) want. While this was more the case in the late nineties and early naughties, those days are long gone. And from what I can gather, literally nobody I know wants a big phone. They want something that looks cool.
What if security has been doubled down? Maybe we would have seen twice as many leaks than what we're seeing?I think that the next few weeks will be crucial. Previous iPhone leaks have often been quashed by fresh leaks right before the keynote (as manufacturing/distribution becomes incraesingly difficult to keep under wraps).
In addition, Tim is still under pressure to prove himself to shareholders, and simple things like not 'doubling down', when you have expressed that you will, can be damaging.
As to the tall/not tall debate, I really like the size of my 3GS and wouldn't want the new iphone to be any larger physically, but within those dimensions (actually slightly larger than the iphone 4) there is plenty of space for a screen size incraese.
I do not think that a tall iphone looks particularly good, but apple have ignored the golden ratio before with various iterations of the iPod nano (in particular the fat 3rd generation). Either way I am not overly bothered though, as my next iPhone will be an iPhone 4 or 4S.
Finally, I think that there is a significant tendancy on this forum to expect apple to do what a small minority of people interested in apple products (enough to post ad nauseum about them - myself included) want. While this was more the case in the late nineties and early naughties, those days are long gone. And from what I can gather, literally nobody I know wants a big phone. They want something that looks cool.
Mileage always varies. No one "wants a big phone", but most people I know want a larger screen (within reason).
I agree, we could have been seeing half as much as possible, but if this is the actual device, we are seeing a lot more, a lot sooner, than we have before. Like I said above, I'm not particularly bothered as my next handset will be a 4 or 4S, just trying to present it as I see it.
As for your second point, I totally agree. The key part is the 'within reason'. I think you'd be hard-pushed to find anyone that wouldn't take a larger screen. But a non-pocket freindly phone would be far more offputting
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Except I doubt that's what Tim Cook meant when he said that. I'm not him, but I think most people would argue that he intended to double down on secrecy relative to the previous level of leaks. We have seen more leaks (IMO), so even if security has been increased I think Tim would agree that so far Apple is failing at actually "doubling down on secrecy." This is of course assuming that most of the leaks/sources are accurate.
Has anyone considered that Apple might be leaking out info early to get everyone used to the idea of a taller, not wider display and the minimal increase in screen size, thus lowering unrealistic expectations? I know I was not at all excited when I first saw the rumored taller form for the next gen phone but am growing used to the idea of it now. Still not certain I won't move to Android or Windows for next phone but the taller design has grown on me a bit. Theor line of thinking: better to be underwhelmed now than at launch day as many were with intro of the 4s.
Yes!
Some of the "tallphone" (or 'iCane Nano' as some have dubbed it) renderings look awkward and not that great. But the best of them seems like the most logical way to get this design to grow without aping the android designs that copied it.
The tallphone seems to be the most logical way to go and it looks like it will be the way to go for me in just 4-5 weeks or so.
Some of the "tallphone" (or 'iCane Nano' as some have dubbed it) renderings look awkward and not that great. But the best of them seems like the most logical way to get this design to grow without aping the android designs that copied it.
The tallphone seems to be the most logical way to go and it looks like it will be the way to go for me in just 4-5 weeks or so.
Why do people care so much about the look of the phone. in the end it is the Internals that really matter and like me most of us will keep it in a case like the otterbox and never see the design of the phone anyway. I believe a reason for the longer phone is to make airplay mirroring and video much better over the 
TV.
I am very happy with this phone, especially with the rumored quadcore GPU (keeping fingers crossed on that one)
TV.I am very happy with this phone, especially with the rumored quadcore GPU (keeping fingers crossed on that one)
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Why do people care so much about the look of the phone. in the end it is the Internals that really matter and like me most of us will keep it in a case like the otterbox and never see the design of the phone anyway. I believe a reason for the longer phone is to make airplay mirroring and video much better over the
I am very happy with this phone, especially with the rumored quadcore GPU (keeping fingers crossed on that one)
I agree with most of what you said, but airplay video shouldn't make a flip of difference. Airplay sends the video to the TV in whatever aspect ratio the video is in. Now MIRRORing, yes (assuming you are holding in landscape mode). But honestly how many people will actually use airplay mirroring from their iPhone. I don't see much point.
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Do you remember all the negativity when the iPad was first announced? "It's just a big iPhone!" Then it launched 2 months later
Do you remember all the negativity when the iPad was first announced? "It's just a big iPhone!" Then it launched 2 months later
well, true.
People, get over it, its a damn phone. Your life isn't going to end if you don't like it. Some people are taking a simple electronic way to far.
I for one, just don't WANT to believe.
Traditionally Apple has always had some sort of design surprise for us. From the first iPhone and then when the iP4 came out. I guess when there are rumours of a phone size increase from Apple, I just want to see it proportional.
Or at the very least new. I personally hate the leaks. Not keen on the design. I would be much happier if there were NO leaks and we could just be surprised on launch.
I for one, wouldn't have bought a SSGS3 if it weren't for the rumours. Don't get me wrong, I really like the phone I have, but I might have been more willing to wait if what was rumoured wasn't so similar to what I owned previously. That and iOS6 didn't really offer me inscentive to stay.
Traditionally Apple has always had some sort of design surprise for us. From the first iPhone and then when the iP4 came out. I guess when there are rumours of a phone size increase from Apple, I just want to see it proportional.
Or at the very least new. I personally hate the leaks. Not keen on the design. I would be much happier if there were NO leaks and we could just be surprised on launch.
I for one, wouldn't have bought a SSGS3 if it weren't for the rumours. Don't get me wrong, I really like the phone I have, but I might have been more willing to wait if what was rumoured wasn't so similar to what I owned previously. That and iOS6 didn't really offer me inscentive to stay.
So unless they completely redesign the phone, it's not worth buying?
BTW, I would call the new unibody design a MAJOR redesign.
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What I continue to be amazed by in this thread are the amount of people that equate past performance as insurance of future success.
There's no disputing that Apple has sold the daylights out of all iterations of the iPhone, but there was a time when RIM was king of the mobile phone world and they looked like an immovable giant.
Well, how did lack of innovation work out for RIM?
Point is, you can have your heyday, but things can turn on a dime in this industry and as much as many people don't want to admit it, people are noticing that Apple has become stagnant.
I have owned every iPhone since day one of the original and this year I switched for the first time since 2007. I have been very happy with my Galaxy S3 and as it stands now, I could not go back to an iPhone due to the smaller screen.
I really want Apple to make a splash with the new iPhone because I'd love to have an iPhone with a killer screen, but this stretch deal just won't cut it.
That, and the omission of Google Maps is going to have a serious crippling affect on the new iPhone. I am a developer and I am beta testing iOS6 on my 4s and I can assure that Apple Maps is not even close to being a competitor with Google Maps.
This is just one person's opinion and I may well miss the mark, but anyone assuming that Apple is going to continue to dominate "just because" needs a serious lesson in business history.
Stagnant? I think not. Just like any moving object, speed is relative to the objects around you. Before, the iPhone had very little competition so they seemed to be miles ahead. Of course after a few years the competition would be able to catch up. So now when we see this iPhone that is continuing to move forward but now has competition also moving forward, it MAY appear to be stagnant to someone not paying attention, but it's moving foward just fine. Sales continue to increase year over year.
And I would say a unibody design is definitely innovative. Siri (like it or not) was innovative. Apple is still an innovative company today.
for me its sad bs i think it looks like an ugly taller iphone 4. if they would make it wider as well then it would look totaly different but now
I believe there are a lot of indicators that Apple is not going to be in such a nice position 10 years or even 5 years from now.
Have you ever heard the saying that "people don't buy products, they buy people"?
It's commonly talked about in the sales world that YOU are responsible for selling, not the product.
In my opinion, people bought Steve Jobs. Why not? He was an engaging speaker, a master motivator and was able to convince anyone who would listen that he was holding gold and everyone else was holding brass whether that was actually the case, or not.
I firmly believe that Apple took a huge hit when Jobs passed and I, for one, believe the company is merely a facsimile of what it once was.
It will take time for the shine to completely dull, but if Apple is to avoid this fate, it will take someone other than Tim Cook to sell it.
Just my opinion, but one that is shared by quite a few who get paid to analyze these things.