Why dosent apple adopt new technology?

[Timelessblur]

CD-RW once per year, $1, erase it, hey, just like a floppy, except:
Has room for all the items that don't fit on a floppy.


Since there is no "n" yet, not surprising.

Don't confuse what is available third party with what the mainline PC makers actually build in. Who is building-in pre-N technology?
You want it third party, you can probably find it for Mac as well.



Granted, except for the PowerMac G5's that have PCI-X slots. By the way, video card excepted, what was the last PCI card you bought?


Funny, my Mac has one. Bring your G5 or G4 tower around and we'll fix that for you in 15 minutes.

hmm for the CDRW not all the computers in the lab have a burner or the capiblitly to earse and burn on the CDRW. The floppy works for everything. Plus it is smaller. Given the choose for small files I going to use a flopy or a USB thumb drive. if I have to turn it in it going to go floppy. It takes a lot less time to put a file on a floppy than it takes to burn a CD and even less than to earse it.

well least see considering the fact that you can not buy a 3rd party wireless card for a mac that kind of hurt so apple needs to keep up with the tech. it is vaild to go 3rd part. Besides I can put the cards in any PC computer that has a PCI slot free, or a laptop that has a PCMCIA slot on it. Apple you have to wait for them to make an airport.

So sue me I was off with the PCI-X but there is not an excuse for the lack of PCI express.

as for the n I remeber seeing it at best buy the last 3 times I been their they all have a big display for it. Sadly it PC ONLY. Apple went G before it was ready and the N already has been aproved by IEEE.

As for the daul layer I can buy them from any major maker right now to hell just buy one from newegg and slap it in my computer and I have the dual layers.

Face it apple WAS the leadering in new tech. Now they are behind the curve. They only thing they ahead in Hardware side is Firewire 800 that has noughting using the advatages of it yet. Everything else they are up to date or they lag. Now they are behind the times.

Currently they are only manifactor that does not offer dual layer, the only one not offering PCI Express. To think apple went from leading the curve to now they are behind....

 

[mtscott]

even if blue ray is out by 2005 the media is going to be more than dual layer is right now and it still a while behind before it comes standard since you have to account for the delay the fact that their are 0 blue ray players on the market right now and currenlty all DVD players-Rom on the market can read Dual layer. Apple should get on bored in supporting the burning on it. The blue ray stuff is just an excuse that is at least 3-4 years away from becoming a useble media and for enough players out there than can even read them. Dual layer is useable now and will be for while longer

Well, with the push for HD, I doubt that people will want to stick with or purchase a dual layer drive. Since dual layer can only hold 8.4 GB and a BluRay disc can hold 25 GB, BluRay is going to quickly outpace both single and dual layer DVD recording. As well, the PlayStation 3 will use BluRay discs. People are going to want HD, and dual layer can't keep up with the storage requirements for it.

It will take some time for BluRay to become popular, but how long?

 

[gekko513]

As for dumping the floppy drive I am sorry but I still like having my floppy drive and it currently in my computer. I call it my 10 buck insurences and I still use floppies. They are really good for moving around small files and turning in small files to my teacher.

Take all the other responses you've got to this and add:

With Macs you can use
1. A regular ethernet cable to transfer files much larger than a floppy can hold much faster.
2. The same goes for a regular firewire cable.
3. The same goes for two Macs with Airport.
Who's lagging behind?

 

[mad jew]

Anyone else think it's ironic that Timelessblur advocates floppies?

 

[mtscott]

Also, let's not forget the fact that the PowerMac hasn't been upgraded since June 2004, and the iMac came out in August of 2004 as well.

That's quite a while to go without upgrades. I'm sure the new machines will sport some enhancements.

Also, I don't see the need to go with newer and generally more expensive technology IMMEDIATELY if the consumer isn't going to see a benefit. Do current AGP 8X cards use the ENTIRE available bandwith?

I would rather see Apple use current technology and keep their prices down, especially for all those bloody idiots that complain about how "Apple's hardware is too expensive". Bleeding edge tech will just make the machine cost more and drive people away.

 

[Timelessblur]

Well, with the push for HD, I doubt that people will want to stick with or purchase a dual layer drive. Since dual layer can only hold 8.4 GB and a BluRay disc can hold 25 GB, BluRay is going to quickly outpace both single and dual layer DVD recording. As well, the PlayStation 3 will use BluRay discs. People are going to want HD, and dual layer can't keep up with the storage requirements for it.

It will take some time for BluRay to become popular, but how long?

I am thinking it will be a minumal of 3-4 years after they hit the market for them to become popular enough to be a standard.

As for my advocating floppies it mostly because they still have thier uses. Do most people need them no but there are still plenty fo valid uses for them

Take all the other responses you've got to this and add:

With Macs you can use
1. A regular ethernet cable to transfer files much larger than a floppy can hold much faster.
2. The same goes for a regular firewire cable.
3. The same goes for two Macs with Airport.
Who's lagging behind?

lets see can not use ethernet cable to turn in files to my teacher, nor next 2. For moving files between 2 computers I would much rather use a USB drive. But for moving files bettween friends or just moving small files from one computer to the other it sometimes just easier and faster to use a floppy. I keep them around because I still use them for quite a bit of stuff.

Does everyone need floppies no but there still a lot of valid uses for them. Mainly in turning into stuff for some of my classes. Besides when it cost me less than 10 bucks to add it to my computer I think it worth it. I do own a USB floppy drive as well I use for things that dont have them because they do help out quite a bit.

 

[earthtoandy]

lets see for moving files bettween friends I have use USB thumb drives but for turning stuff into teachers lets see what is cheaper. spending 5-6 bucks on cds over the years (50cents a cd turning in an average of 1 a week) or spending 1 buck on a floppy that can used for the entire semester.

ummm you've used email before right?

 

[Earendil]

Concerning Floppies, um, yeah, email works wonders...

Now this could just be my own special campus network, but I can take any computer, anywhere on campus, and use the windows "run" program and enter the IP address of my computer. If I enter my user name, I can log directly into my account within seconds, giving me access to my entire HD, even though it's sitting in my dorm room.

And this whole "Apple is behind the curve" thing is being used without definition. It may be too late for Apple to be considered an "early adopter" in some things, but they are NOT behind the "curve" because many of the technologies you guys speak of are not standard on PCs. Damn, I live on a college campus and I can tell you that my Powerbook beats the snot out of most laptops as far as "adopted tech" (and does it in a thinner aluminum case )

Anyway, continue on.

~Tyler
Earendil

 

[Toreador93]

My CAD teacher has us hand in our homework on floppies. I'm not sure why he doesn't have us email it to him, or use Blackboard (online classroom tool).

So usually I save my files on my Flash drive, then go to the classroom/computer lab and transfer it to the floppy. I hate floppies and floppy drives. I'm saving the space in my computer for another harddrive.

And kind of back on topic, I'd rather see all the lines JUST get faster CPUs and GPUs than adopting to the NEWEST technology.

 

[Maedus]

hmm for the CDRW not all the computers in the lab have a burner or the capiblitly to earse and burn on the CDRW. The floppy works for everything. Plus it is smaller. Given the choose for small files I going to use a flopy or a USB thumb drive. if I have to turn it in it going to go floppy. It takes a lot less time to put a file on a floppy than it takes to burn a CD and even less than to earse it.

So its Apple's fault that your computer lab sucks? Indiana University has abandoned support for all forms of media except CD/DVDs and USB Thumb Drives (or any other removable hard drive of that nature) in their labs due to the fact that nobody used floppies or zip drives. At IU, we use email and CFS (think .Mac's iDisk) for file storage and transfer. So a floppy disc or even a zip disc is pretty 100% useless to me and I'd say for for the majority of the people in here. That's why Apple and virtually every other computer manufacturer has abandoned the floppy drive. Unreliable. Expensive. And now Unsupported.

And in reference to an earlier post about wasting $0.50 per blank CD to turn in assignments...where the heck do you buy your CD's from? The last time I bought blank DVDs, I got them for $0.50 (after rebate) and I bet if I looked online for DVDs for sale, I could find them much cheaper. And I know that a friend of mine bought a bunch of blank CD's online for $0.02 a piece. And I know you can easily get them in a store for around $0.20.

But if I needed to turn in a bunch of assignments regularly, I know I could pick up enough CDs in bulk to be cheaper than a $10 USB Floppy Drive and the price of floppies that I will probably have to pay to replace with some frequency. I know with $0.20 blank CD's, I could turn in a CD every week for two semesters for only $6.40. $32 for my entire 5 year long college career and have the presence of mind knowing that my CD will work when I get to school. Oh, and if I picked up some of the $0.02 CD's from my friend, it's only $3.20 for 5 years.

well least see considering the fact that you can not buy a 3rd party wireless card for a mac that kind of hurt so apple needs to keep up with the tech. it is vaild to go 3rd part. Besides I can put the cards in any PC computer that has a PCI slot free, or a laptop that has a PCMCIA slot on it. Apple you have to wait for them to make an airport.

So sue me I was off with the PCI-X but there is not an excuse for the lack of PCI express.

as for the n I remeber seeing it at best buy the last 3 times I been their they all have a big display for it. Sadly it PC ONLY. Apple went G before it was ready and the N already has been aproved by IEEE.

So it's Apple's fault that 3rd party vendors have not made a version of the product for Mac platform yet? That's like saying its Dell and HP's fault that Mac OS X isn't installed on their computers. As for N being ratified already, everybody else seems to say it hasn't been and quite frankly, your facts are usually wrong (and as it turned out you were wrong; see end of post). And Apple isn't required to adopt technologies before they're standard. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. Adopting standards before they're standards is a risk and Apple probably has people who monitor the industry and try to predict what "standards" will or will not succeed. And its cheaper to error on the side of caution and be the 2nd person to adopt it than to be the 1st person to adopt something useless.

As for the daul layer I can buy them from any major maker right now to hell just buy one from newegg and slap it in my computer and I have the dual layers.[/QUOTE

What's the point of having a dual layer DVD burner if you're too cheap to burn CDs? Personally, having a dual layer DVD burner isn't a priority to me in a computer since I'm not archiving 8+ GB of data frequently. 4.7 GB is just fine for my needs. But, according to ThinkSecret, Apple is adding Dual Layer in the next revisions and I won't complain about having a Dual Layer DVD burner in my computer if it comes with one. But more than likely, it will just be something that I don't use to its fullest.

Face it apple WAS the leadering in new tech. Now they are behind the curve. They only thing they ahead in Hardware side is Firewire 800 that has noughting using the advatages of it yet. Everything else they are up to date or they lag. Now they are behind the times.

Currently they are only manifactor that does not offer dual layer, the only one not offering PCI Express. To think apple went from leading the curve to now they are behind....

And with the next revisions, Apple be towards the top of the curve, and then a couple more revisions they'll probably be ahead the curve again. Besides, nobody expects Apple to have the greatest, cutting edge hardware possible. They're one company competing against many for the best computers and quite frankly, most of the hardware is initially configured for the x86 architecture so Apple has to make the best use of what's available. And to be even more frank, for their market share, they're doing a pretty good job at it.

P.S. On a side note, I looked up 802.11n and according to wifinetnews.com:

A report from the IEEE 802.11n task group says that TGn Sync won 56 percent of the vote: However, in the IEEE voting rules, that only provides provisional support. TGn Sync must now solicit more than 75 percent of the vote for their draft to become the proposal that’s refined and eventually ratified. If they can’t achieve a 75-percent supermajority for a revision of their proposal in May—or possibly even subsequent meetings—the vote rolls back to trying to get 50 percent support for a single proposal to move forward on.

Apparently, TGn Synch and WWiSE are battling it out on who's proposal will be the basis for the final version of 802.11n that is ratified and becomes the standard.

 

[angelneo]

lets see for moving files bettween friends I have use USB thumb drives but for turning stuff into teachers lets see what is cheaper. spending 5-6 bucks on cds over the years (50cents a cd turning in an average of 1 a week) or spending 1 buck on a floppy that can used for the entire semester.

But it also helpful for giving out some small files to group partners because they files can be edited plus the risk of me loosing looking much money if the disk is lost is small compared to replacing a thumb drive. If the file gets corrupted I may loose 30 mins worth of work since the oringal are always back up on our computers.

You are free to give me a 16-30 meg flash drive. You willing to risk loosing that over a 1 buck floppy. Floppies still have thier uses and people still use them. It just I still use floppies drives and I not willing to give them up yet. I call it my 10 buck insurenest plan (that is counting the cost of the drive and the floppy). And yes I have delt with loosing datas on modern floppies. Personaly I like to use floppies that are about 5-6 years old because back then they where made of much high quiltiy. As for the lost data it took me about 10-20 mins to get it all back since the oringinals where saved on the computer I just lost some minor editing and debugging work I did in the lab but it was easy enough to fix back in my room since I did the hard part in the lab and that was figuring out what was wrong.

2 years ago when I was in college, anything that can be fitted into a floppy is all submitted through online means, the last time I touched floppy was probably during my freshman year which was about more than 5 years ago....

 

[Timelessblur]

I really have to say I find it intersting how arguments change from Apple is leading the techology curve in everything and apple user brag about that back in those days. Now that it is the other way around they are definding apple lagging in tech.

Also I not to cheap buy CD-R I just think it is a waste to use a CD-R to burn on a file 1 meg or less. For the most part I relax about them. The .50 a cd is close enough ot average for quick math considering after tax it comes out to be around 25 bucks for a 50 pack.

For daul layer media right now it is at about 10 bucks a DVD but before people say aythign about that when apple started DVD burning DVD where very high in cost. DVD have come down to closer to 1 buck a DVD but that does not mean I believe in wasting space on them.

As for floppy appently you guys dont understand why I still like them. I see noughting wrong with not having a floppy drive. I just still use them for a lot of things and appernelty you think I stupid because of it. As for the labs most of the computer have the burners minus a few. Really the CE lab got screwed over by the fact that money that was donated to the schools. I use emails for most stuff but the fact the teacher required use to email in the projects and also turn it on a disk. He required use to have multiple back ups.

I just think it sad when you all change you turn in argument when apple goes from leading the tech curve for making standards to apple is now lagging behind. Face the fact apple is no longer the leading.

I have yet to see an excuse for apple not having PCI express, or not have wireless -a, or the fact that apple does not have daul layer burners. I can understand wireless -n which is brand new and only rececently certificed. But not for the lack of wireless -a Support

 

[jayscheuerle]

Face the fact apple is no longer the leading.

Who gets that honor in your opinion?

Floppies have been dead in the Mac world for about 7 years now, so people have had plenty of time to come up with more efficient solutions for their small file transfer, email being the easiest here. I use my iPod for just about everything. Singing the praises of the floppy here is like bragging about your black and white TV, half-pound cell-phone or cassette Walkman. They were nice and had they're place and... what? You're still using them? How QUAINT! It's not your fault though. PC manufacturers just load their boxes full of CRAP and are very reluctant to abandon ANYTHING (serial port, anybody?). Redundancy gives the nod to engineering over esthetics. Most PCs are like the Homer Simpson mobile...

 

[link92]

I have yet to see an excuse for apple not having PCI express, or not have wireless -a, or the fact that apple does not have daul layer burners. I can understand wireless -n which is brand new and only rececently certificed. But not for the lack of wireless -a Support

There hasn't been a PowerMac update since PCIe became a standard. Same does for Dual Layer Burners. Wireless -a isn't backwards compatible, and therefore is pointless. Wireless -n hasn't been ratified yet.

 

[Timelessblur]

Get the fact straight. I choose to still use floppy and you try to bash all my aguments on that. I stated earily on that I choose to keep the floppy around and for 10 bucks it not that much for insurencse for the few times that I need to use it. Currently it gets used maybe once a month but it nice to have it when ever I do use need it.


My aguments on apple not leading tech any more has noughting to do with floppies. Back when apple dump the floppy they where leading. But now they are not leading. I think it rather sad that you have to go to insults to try to ague


Just get over the fact that apple is no longer leading in new techology. They are behind They went from leading the way to now they are behind everyone else. Out side of firewire 800 (which has noughting out that can use it and noughting on the horizen that i know about) what does apple put on there computers that is leading the way. Noughting. No dual layer. No PCI express, And they have noughting else leading the way that is coming up as new like wireless -n. They where behind when it came to getting USB 2.0.

 

[Timelessblur]

There hasn't been a PowerMac update since PCIe became a standard. Same does for Dual Layer Burners. Wireless -a isn't backwards compatible, and therefore is pointless. Wireless -n hasn't been ratified yet.

If you noticed anything about wireless A most of them dual when they run wireless -a + -g. Wireless -a is also older than -g. It has advatages over -g. We are going to be leaving 802.11 soon enough. Most of the wireless stuff that does not using 802.11 duals with it. Like for example if you get a wireless -a device it also runs wireless -g to keep backwards. -a has a farther range than -g and less degreation with distances than =g. -a started filtering in to the Consummer sector about a year ago. It used to be only in the corp sector. -g brought wireless -a speed to wireles -b area but -a still is better. -n is the next step where it even faster and has better range than -g. I do not think tt is backward capible either but we are goign to leave the 802.11 behind.

But care to explain the lack of PCI-X and no promise of PCI express. Apple is not longer leading the way in techology. If the next update to the power mac dont have any of this stuff you all have noughting to stand on. The rumor that think secected just posted stated that the next power mac updates do not have PCI express or PCI-X

 

[plinden]

If you noticed anything about wireless A most of them dual when they run wireless -a + -g. Wireless -a is also older than -g. It has advatages over -g.

Nope - most are either b/g or a/b/g. I don't think I've ever seen a a/g wireless router or card. You see, the advantage a has over b or g is that it has longer range, but the advantage b and g have over a is that they are compatible with each other so the same circuitry can be used. Also g is 5 times faster than either a or b.

You can have mixed b and g networks but if you have an a network all the machines need to be using a. Wireless a is dead - if you're buying a PC don't waste your money on an a/b/g wireless card.

I hope that's cleared up some things for you.

 

[Timelessblur]

Nope - most are either b/g or a/b/g. I don't think I've ever seen a a/g wireless router or card. You see, the advantage a has over b or g is that it has longer range, but the advantage b and g have over a is that they are compatible with each other so the same circuitry can be used. Also g is 5 times faster than either a or b.

You can have mixed b and g networks but if you have an a network all the machines need to be using a. Wireless a is dead - if you're buying a PC don't waste your money on an a/b/g wireless card.

I hope that's cleared up some things for you.

well considering that -g is backwards with b a wirless -a+-g I would assume that the card would run with B. Hence the fact the yare call -a +-g. the routers that use -a also run -g/b. I think that -b/g is a dieing off and is goign to be dead.

 

[plinden]

well considering that -g is backwards with b a wirless -a+-g I would assume that the card would run with B. Hence the fact the yare call -a +-g. the routers that use -a also run -g/b. I think that -b/g is a dieing off and is goign to be dead.

I have absolutely no idea what you've said here. This is not a dig at your professed dyslexia, but what you wrote is just a jumble of words to me.

 

[Timelessblur]

I have absolutely no idea what you've said here. This is not a dig at your professed dyslexia, but what you wrote is just a jumble of words to me.

well I dont want to explain it. If you understand wireless networking and kept update with it you would understand it.

I think the simplest translation is -b/-g will be phased out and thier replacement will not work with them

 

[PlaceofDis]

well I dont want to explain it. If you understand wireless networking and kept update with it you would understand it.

thats pretty harsh, come on, the guy is not trying to start a fight with you but is trying to have an intelligent conversation, if you want to get your point across why not explain it for him/her so that they understand rather than take an elitest attitude about it? jeez

 

[mtscott]

But care to explain the lack of PCI-X and no promise of PCI express. Apple is not longer leading the way in techology. If the next update to the power mac dont have any of this stuff you all have noughting to stand on. The rumor that think secected just posted stated that the next power mac updates do not have PCI express or PCI-X

PowerMacs currently shipping having PCI-X.

Out side of firewire 800 (which has noughting out that can use it and noughting on the horizen that i know about) what does apple put on there computers that is leading the way. Noughting. No dual layer. No PCI express, And they have noughting else leading the way that is coming up as new like wireless -n.

This was answered by:

There hasn't been a PowerMac update since PCIe became a standard. Same does for Dual Layer Burners. Wireless -a isn't backwards compatible, and therefore is pointless. Wireless -n hasn't been ratified yet.

You really like to ignore what people say when they prove you wrong, don't you?

Oh, you've never heard of FireWire 800 devices? So, because you've never heard of FW 800 stuff, that must mean none exsists? Well, here you go.

http://www.fwdepot.com/thestore/default.php

What do YOU care about Apple leading the way in technology or not? You bash everything Apple does.

 

[IanC]

I have never seen any -a wireless devices shipping with PCs, nor i have i heard of any been used in companies.

 

[paulypants]

There's plenty of FW800 devices, among the most common are HD Vid Cameras and External Hard Drives, which I have a LaCie and I am so glad I can utilize the FW800 port not only for the speed, but also to leave open my FW400 ports.

 

[Timelessblur]

mtscott I did respond to the one where then been no power mac update since the dual layer came out or PCI express. But at the same time those have been out for over 9 months now. My respond points to think secret. THey have the lastest rumors about updates and guess what no PCI -x or PCI express in them.

I stated that if they dont put both items in there next powermac updates apple is out of excusses for not having it. But appernely you only like to bash me. I dont bash apple every chance I get. I normally correct people statements or state some minor opinan. I think it sad that apple not done even a minor update in 9 months to add in at least dual layer burning and there seems to be noughting the future that shows they are going to add it. But appently you dont read what I stated that takes away you chance to bash me. Hate the fact that apple is falling behind and some one rubbing you face in it