Why I want to sell my MacBook and never look back.
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I have a Macbook Pro. First one I got I took it out of the box and it would turn on for 4 minutes then turn off. Apple made me mail it back to them and they replaced it. Second one the screw on the screen kept coming out?? The computer sits at my desk in my office, and is never moved, except when I'd close & reopen the monitor so it would go to my 30". That computer had to have it's motherboard replaced. Now I have my new Macbook pro with the LCD monitor - the DVD drive is a piece of crap and won't even burn DL dvd's. Not sure what's with APple's quality.
I have a Macbook Pro. First one I got I took it out of the box and it would turn on for 4 minutes then turn off. Apple made me mail it back to them and they replaced it. Second one the screw on the screen kept coming out?? The computer sits at my desk in my office, and is never moved, except when I'd close & reopen the monitor so it would go to my 30". That computer had to have it's motherboard replaced. Now I have my new Macbook pro with the LCD monitor - the DVD drive is a piece of crap and won't even burn DL dvd's. Not sure what's with APple's quality.
Digital Skunk
macrumors G3
PROOF!
Or are you just talking out of your @$$
I can say the opposite and not bring up any facts too, wanna see?
"I have blah blah blah friends in blah blah blah business and none of them touch a Windows PC"
I don't think you want to go there with me mosx. And I am not even close to the best of the bunch even on this site to show that the Mac will do circles around Vista or XP in the media/journalism market. I may not know what "trolling" means, but I do know what both Windows and OSX are capable of in the media market, especially since I was taught on Avid for Windows, and Media 100 which only runs on Windows, then Adobe Premier for Windows.
Quit while you think you are ahead.
Proof?
I like how you insult people for making an informed and intelligent decision as well. Very classy and mature.
I know quite a few that make far more money than nearly all people here at this forum
They choose PCs because, quite simply, PCs can do more and do more for your money.
Proof other than some random persons speculation?
Heh, how is it opinion that 15.4" notebooks are the most popular and sales prove it? Thats not opinion. That is A FACT.
Look at the MacBook and MacBook Pro. You're really telling me people choose the MacBook over the MacBook Pro (as Apple's store stat indicates) because of the size and not the fact that one is $1299 with a DVD writer and the other STARTS at $1,999?
Be realistic here.
Photoshop runs every bit as good on Window as it does on OS X.
Video editing on a 13.3" screen on a system that can't really play high definition content? Really?
Read your own post and find it
If you bought your MacBook last year that means you have the GMA 950 (according to your profile, 2GHz black MacBook) running on the Napa platform and it only came with 1GB of RAM but you bumped it up to 2GB.
When did you really test Vista? Last year with beta Boot Camp drivers and 1GB of RAM, pre-SP1?
You're also running it on what could be considered "low-end hardware".
If you're satsified with the performance of Leopard, thats good for you. Some of us demand more for our money and more out of our computers.
Yes it does. Have you noticed how hot the case gets? No well designed PC gets that hot under any circumstances.
Apple needs to make sure theres actual air flow in the case and redesign the cooling system to be more efficient.
Hah, that made me chuckle.
First, how does that even make any sense? As I said, nearly all websites that have video use Flash video. The Flash video on the site is embedded amongst several other things. Theres no reason it can't be indexed by google. And have you ever been to Youtube? Break? CNN? ABC News? Again, embedded Flash files.
Suggesting that sites that use Flash are all entirely Flash and cannot be indexed, and therefore not googled (since EVERYONE uses google apparently), is kind of stupid.
Flash isn't going anywhere. Nearly every video site on the web uses it. More and more are born each day that use Flash video. It's cross platform, it works fantastic on the majority OS of the world. So why does anyone have a reason to switch?
The only site I can think of that does NOT use Flash is Apple.com. But ironically they just made an "official" youtube channel where, you guessed it, a lot of their videos are already uploaded and in the process of being uploaded in Flash form.
Thats not a lie. Not for people who care about QUALITY. Sure, if you want your DVDs to just play and don't care about how bad they look on OS X or GMA 950s, then good for you. But many of us demand better quality. Thats why theres a forum with over half a million members devoted to making DVDs look better. DVD Player in OS X and video playback on Intel GPUs in general just isn't good enough. You get visible compression artifacting, grain that just isn't part of the film print, interlacing artifacting, incorrect colors, etc. If you're happy with that, then good for you. But I feel for the price of a PC I should get the best DVD playback out there. With Windows and modern GPUs (integrated or dedicated) you do.
Because I own a Mac? Like I said before, you should have paid attention to things. I came here when I got my first Mac more than a year and a half ago. I was happy then until the honeymoon was over and the return window was up and the real side of Macs and Mac OS X showed their face.
Yes I'm well aware of that. When the iPhone was running firmware 1.1.4, it was rock solid. Battery life was fantastic, my calls never dropped, my cellular signal was solid. Then 2.0 came out. Battery life dropped, my calls started dropping, my signal is ridiculously unstable. I can sit there and watch it change from EDGE to GPRS back to EDGE and from 5 bars to 1 back to 5 then to 3 all in the course of 60 seconds without ever moving. In places where I had fantastic signals with no dropped calls or any call problems I now have quality issues and, again, dropped calls. With 2.1 my battery life is no better, apps crash. I have to restart the iPhone every other day, sometimes every day, or it starts to get slow and apps start to crash or won't launch. My signal is still messed up and I still get dropped calls with quality issues.
So my phone running OS X is acting a lot like my computer running OS X!
If Apple doesn't get these problems fixed I'll have no problem selling the iPhone. I know I could at least sell it and get enough to cover the cost of the termination fee. I don't like contracted cellphone service anyway. I did the math one night. For the ~$1800 this iPhone will cost over 2 years (including the cost of the device, and on a shared plan), and considering my usage habits (voice, text, email) I could have had the same SERVICE (not device obviously) for about $600 in the same time period if I had gone prepaid.
As much as I like the iPhone, its not worth the money and the problems are getting to be more of a hassle than any convenience the device itself might bring.
You know whats funny though? Why is it that OS X in the iPhone can use hardware to do things like play video and audio but the desktop version can't? Why is it that the iPhone gets good video hardware (for the device) but the MacBook gets shafted? Why does the Apple TV get a GeForce 7300 but the MacBooks get GPUs that are generations behind that?
What? You want me to get my friends to come here and post and talk about the companies they work for? Yeah, I'm sure their bosses would be REALLY happy with that.
Explain to me how the Mac would be better in that regard. Please do.
TuffLuffJimmy
macrumors G3
If it's not the hardware or software that makes a Mac better for media work it's the culture. If this were a Microsoft fan site then everyone would be talking like lolcats and getting pwned, not to mention the bad haircuts...
Apple Bad
This breaks my heart in more than one way.
I really wish Apple would stand behind their product.
It's not one guys faulty topcase, it's thousands.
And I really wish you guys here would support each other in an effort to fix the problem, rather than resort to condescending remarks- Just because you have has a smooth sail.
I personally love Macs, but I hate Apple. They're a corporate giant. You think they give a damn about you? I don't see any reason to defend them from consumers, because no matter what the user level, beginner or elite, a customer complaint is valid!
You can't deny it- Apple is slick. They get over on their customers every day. What I'm trying to figure out is where this whole wave of "oh nos Apple did nothing wrong. You have bought Applecare idiot. is coming from. It's almost as if you're paid to be here. Because I cannot see any reason why anybody would want to defend any corporation. It simply does not register.
I obviously can't speak for everybody, but I can speak for myself. I've put over $50,000 into this company. I own one of almost everything they put out and I know exactly how they roll. Some things I have AppleCare on, somethings I don't. It felt great when my Mac Pro crashed and Apple honored me a warranty repair. However, it doesn't feel great when your Imac G5 power supply burns out- one month past warranty. It comes right out of left field because you've owned a iMac G3 or G4 and it's still running. strong This is Apple's way of saying: "TIME TO BUY THE NEW MAC" And I believe that. And I am qualified to say that.
I'm not saying that Apple designs their products to break after a certain period of time- that's just wrong. But they are fully aware of the lifespan of their products- so why would they extend the warranty to surpass the product lifespan? EH? They wouldn't. They are a corporate giant. Wake up, Apple is not your pal. Apple is friends with your money and that's it.
From my perspective, if there's a faulty component- Apple should stand behind it, regardless of Applecare. These days it takes a class action lawsuit for Apple to issue a recall, but what about the guy who got a defective machine off the assembly line by fluke and there's not a thousand other people to merit a recall?
We all just want a machine that will last us for a while... If yours is running strong, you're lucky, not special. By all means, somebody flame me.
This breaks my heart in more than one way.
I really wish Apple would stand behind their product.
It's not one guys faulty topcase, it's thousands.
And I really wish you guys here would support each other in an effort to fix the problem, rather than resort to condescending remarks- Just because you have has a smooth sail.
I personally love Macs, but I hate Apple. They're a corporate giant. You think they give a damn about you? I don't see any reason to defend them from consumers, because no matter what the user level, beginner or elite, a customer complaint is valid!
You can't deny it- Apple is slick. They get over on their customers every day. What I'm trying to figure out is where this whole wave of "oh nos Apple did nothing wrong. You have bought Applecare idiot. is coming from. It's almost as if you're paid to be here. Because I cannot see any reason why anybody would want to defend any corporation. It simply does not register.
I obviously can't speak for everybody, but I can speak for myself. I've put over $50,000 into this company. I own one of almost everything they put out and I know exactly how they roll. Some things I have AppleCare on, somethings I don't. It felt great when my Mac Pro crashed and Apple honored me a warranty repair. However, it doesn't feel great when your Imac G5 power supply burns out- one month past warranty. It comes right out of left field because you've owned a iMac G3 or G4 and it's still running. strong This is Apple's way of saying: "TIME TO BUY THE NEW MAC" And I believe that. And I am qualified to say that.
I'm not saying that Apple designs their products to break after a certain period of time- that's just wrong. But they are fully aware of the lifespan of their products- so why would they extend the warranty to surpass the product lifespan? EH? They wouldn't. They are a corporate giant. Wake up, Apple is not your pal. Apple is friends with your money and that's it.
From my perspective, if there's a faulty component- Apple should stand behind it, regardless of Applecare. These days it takes a class action lawsuit for Apple to issue a recall, but what about the guy who got a defective machine off the assembly line by fluke and there's not a thousand other people to merit a recall?
We all just want a machine that will last us for a while... If yours is running strong, you're lucky, not special. By all means, somebody flame me.
Digital Skunk
macrumors G3
Technically the burden of proof still lies with you. But I know that we will never get that.
Yes, I want you to pull some piece of information (factual) that shows or proves that your friends in the media industry (all of them) use PCs, and it better be more than just two or three IT guys that work for newspapers. Otherwise, don't put it on the table as proof please.
Chappers
macrumors 68020
Dybbuk thank you for posting that and your rational thread about what certainly appears to be a problem with the macbook.
It won't help you right now but it would be interesting to know what numbers are actually involved. It is probably difficult or impossible to find out.
Let me break it down:
The Power Mac G4 was and still is a fantastic machine. As we speak, I have 2 in my office that are outliving every subsequential Apple product.
The G4 was born in 1999 and discontinued in 2004, which is when the iPod and iTunes took off...
Since then, Apple has not made a durable product. Their products lifespans are half that of the G4 and G3. They're simple all about "Buy this today, throw it out, buy that tomorrow"
The Power Mac G4 was and still is a fantastic machine. As we speak, I have 2 in my office that are outliving every subsequential Apple product.
The G4 was born in 1999 and discontinued in 2004, which is when the iPod and iTunes took off...
Since then, Apple has not made a durable product. Their products lifespans are half that of the G4 and G3. They're simple all about "Buy this today, throw it out, buy that tomorrow"
Digital Skunk
macrumors G3
Apple started to suck at the switch to Intel.
My Power Mac G5 is still quite strong, as is the 12" Powerbook G4 and iMac G5.
Of course they will never surpass a G4 or G3, but 2004 is still a bit early. Intel was definitely the fall of Apple's QC.
Have you ever been to a Microsoft forum? People there are always willing to help, always nice, always polite if you have an issue.
As the post below you points out, the community of Apple fans (the diehards, there are a lot of good people in the Apple community) is complete opposite. If you come in saying you have a problem and you're dissatisfied, you get endless posts from people "should have bought AppleCare you idiot!" or "its your fault, you're doing something wrong". At every Apple forum on the web you get hundreds of people who view Apple as perfect. You don't get that on Microsoft forums.
If you're on an Apple forum and disagree with the way Apple did something or you say you're unhappy and have an issue, its always YOUR fault and YOU are doing something wrong. It is never Apple's fault.
Look at how people blindly follow Apple too. When the MacBook Air was released and Jobs gave his several minute speech regarding why we don't need optical drives anymore, many Apples fans praised his words, acting as if it was universal truth. Despite the fact that PCs in the same size and price range have optical drives (DVD writers even) and dedicated graphics, and user replaceable batteries...
Like I said, there are good people in the community. But they're overshadowed by a far too large group of people who will blame you for everything, call you names, treat you poorly, etc. if you even hint that you don't feel that Apple is as great as they do.
Nice way to cop out.
This is what I was talking about above. An Apple diehard comes in, spouts off all kinds of nonsense, gets called out, and then cops out while trying to turn it around on the other person who proved them wrong. This is whats wrong with the Apple community.
TuffLuffJimmy
macrumors G3
Nice way to cop out.
This is whats wrong with the Apple community.
Nice cop out of giving any evidence of proof of your friends being in the business.
Anyway for proof that the Microsoft ads were made on Macs you need not look further than the ads themselves. Download the images and inspect the exif data. They were made in photoshop on OSX!
Which was 2005.
They started to suck a year before that- it was just behind closed doors.
You are wrong, and an idiot for feeling you are in a position to make any judgments about how I treat the machine. If I'd actually beaten it up myself, I never would've bothered to make this thread in the first place.
Here are the images of the cracks on my MacBook:
All of these issues are correlated on the cracked MacBook group in my OP.
here's mine
but i dont care. i care about the other problems i had to fix myselfNice cop out of giving any evidence of proof of your friends being in the business.
Anyway for proof that the Microsoft ads were made on Macs you need not look further than the ads themselves. Download the images and inspect the exif data. They were made in photoshop on OSX!
Two things here.
First, I love the twisted Apple Fan Logic©
He comes into the thread telling me hes going to prove me wrong in all kinds of ways. I call him out on it. Then he says "no its your job to provide the proof" despite the fact that he said he was going to prove ME wrong. I call him out on that too and somehow its me failing to provide proof?
Thats stupid.
Second, as I said, I'm not listing names or companies. Especially not so a few psychotic Apple fanboys who can't accept the truth and cop out of arguments can contact these people and go crazy on them. Not only that, it's not my place to give out names and information. What kind of psychos would demand people give out names and personal information on a public forum that is filled with people willing to do anything to discredit those who dislike Apple?
polee
macrumors 6502a
I beg to differ on this issue. I have a white macbook and its excellent ventilation fans turns on when the unit gets warm. Secondly, I had a Fujitsu Windows XP computer which had its cooling fans turned on very regularly because of the heat that was generated from the machine. This has not been the case for the macbook which I am currently using, it feels okay and comfortable when I am using it.
Another note, you do not need 3gb to run Mac OS X 10.5. Mine runs very well on 2 gb. On the other hand, I have a Sony Vaio which runs on Vista Home and 2 gb, and it is runs much slower than the macbook. And boy, is that machine hot - literally.
The Awesome
macrumors member
Here's what I can/want to say:
A lot of the world's manufacturers need to compromise. If they need to maximize profits then they will definitely need to just make sure that their product is good enough. Apple is not exempted from this.
People are right in saying that Apple is not in your side... its sides with your money. The reason a good number of people here are satisfied with their computer's experience is that they were part of the lucky 98%.
Apple (or, for the lurking fanboy ready to pounce on me, most companies for that matter) does not care for you! You only seem to be taken care of so that they can maintain good PR and sales!
Apple can (and they can on numerous occasions) make better products but that doesn't mean they aim for the betterment of your being! Yes, a very attractive and sincerely thoughtful personal shopping assistant can cater to your needs, and might even give you a free Mighty Mouse, but the people above him or her will not even need your love or affection.
CAPITALISM works that way!
And this mosx dude is cracking me up... he's no different from the Apple apologists. I have went to a lot of Microsoft support sites and a lot of the posters are as blind as the Mac diehards who think the iPhone is THE FINAL SOLUTION! f*** you HTC et al! (or something along that line).
BTW: I'm still excited for my upcoming (1st Mac evah) MBP. I've said and thought to myself that Apple's products will suit me more (I've even made a mostly logical checklist with my Windows/PC-inclined friends... and I've been a Windows user for 14 years already) This is not because I like Apple but because I like their products which, though will NEVER be perfect, will cohere with my work needs.
And I guess I'll hope to be part of the lucky 98%.
A lot of the world's manufacturers need to compromise. If they need to maximize profits then they will definitely need to just make sure that their product is good enough. Apple is not exempted from this.
People are right in saying that Apple is not in your side... its sides with your money. The reason a good number of people here are satisfied with their computer's experience is that they were part of the lucky 98%.
Apple (or, for the lurking fanboy ready to pounce on me, most companies for that matter) does not care for you! You only seem to be taken care of so that they can maintain good PR and sales!
Apple can (and they can on numerous occasions) make better products but that doesn't mean they aim for the betterment of your being! Yes, a very attractive and sincerely thoughtful personal shopping assistant can cater to your needs, and might even give you a free Mighty Mouse, but the people above him or her will not even need your love or affection.
CAPITALISM works that way!
And this mosx dude is cracking me up... he's no different from the Apple apologists. I have went to a lot of Microsoft support sites and a lot of the posters are as blind as the Mac diehards who think the iPhone is THE FINAL SOLUTION! f*** you HTC et al! (or something along that line).
BTW: I'm still excited for my upcoming (1st Mac evah) MBP. I've said and thought to myself that Apple's products will suit me more (I've even made a mostly logical checklist with my Windows/PC-inclined friends... and I've been a Windows user for 14 years already) This is not because I like Apple but because I like their products which, though will NEVER be perfect, will cohere with my work needs.
And I guess I'll hope to be part of the lucky 98%.
Yeah, Silverlight. It's been ported to Linux too, and maybe OSX (but I'll have to check at work because I'm typing on a Moto Q now).
marbles
macrumors 68000
People here seem very passionate about the material items they 'own' .Some for looks , some for function or at least that how it seems to me ..I've only ever really used OSX and have only used that for three years ( used XP when my Mac broke for about three weeks, confusing , I can't tell ya ...) ) so don't consider myself to have much experience with either platform , but I've found what you guys to be really entertaining and , more importantly informative .
I really am now considering buying a cheap windows box or netbook? and giving it a go for a while .....but we'll have to see just how " aggressive" the price points of these (supposed) new Macs are .
That made me laugh , hard
I really am now considering buying a cheap windows box or netbook? and giving it a go for a while .....but we'll have to see just how " aggressive" the price points of these (supposed) new Macs are .
That made me laugh , hard
tkermit
macrumors 68040
mosx said:
Not to belabor a point, but going by Adobe's FAQ there seems to be at least some kind of hardware acceleration going on - not that one would actually think so going by its performace on OS X.
Adobe Flash Player FAQ said:
Also:
mosx said:
You're actually right, Google (and only they, afaik) CAN now index textual content within SWF files. Apparently they can' tell us "all of the proprietary details" though. Well, that's just great
To those in this thread that still don't understand the difference between fact and opinion (you know who you are!):
Just thought I'd clear that up again, as it apparently didn't sink in with the last "I Hate Apple" thread.
It's kinda funny how certain people only participate in this sorts of threads, and contribute little to nothing in any other threads. Hmmm.......
Merriam Webster said:
Merriam Webster said:
Just thought I'd clear that up again, as it apparently didn't sink in with the last "I Hate Apple" thread.
It's kinda funny how certain people only participate in this sorts of threads, and contribute little to nothing in any other threads. Hmmm.......
chaosbunny
macrumors 68020
Digital Skunk
macrumors G3
They announced it in 2005, the first machine come in 2006 and so forth. Then the whine issues came.
Well, technically mosx can't even proof he has friends at all.
Yes indeed. It's hard to debate someone that doesn't post a single supporting fact. I can make empty claims and post FUD too. And get some of the weaker minded individuals on threads to change their minds and be convinced.
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