Why I want to sell my MacBook and never look back.

[cantthinkofone]

I wanted to be a Mac owner so badly since about 2002. I read MacRumors and other Apple websites religiously, obsessed over new models of iPods and Macs just as much as the rest of you Mac users, but I simply did not have the money to afford one.

Then, in August 2007, I finally bought a MacBook. And since then, it's been nothing but disappointment.

To be truthful, I was more excited about being a Mac owner before I actually was one. First thing that happened to me; the infamous palmrest crack. I got it on both sides. Then, out of nowhere, my HDD died. I had no backups; blame me all you want, there was an acknowledged issue with this HDD model (http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-9823370-37.html) and no recall was issued. At around the same time, my bottomcase cracked, which Apple refused to cover under warranty ("The bottomcase cracking is always due to user negligence and therefore we never cover it under warranty.") until I escalated the call and demanded it be replaced.

Now, only around three months after having all of this replaced, the screen bezel has two cracks on it, the palmrest has cracked again, and the bottom case has hairline cracks going around the front edge. At this point, I am beyond livid.

I deserve a replacement machine at this point, IMO. However, because I did not pay the $300 to the extend the warranty to the three year period that so many better-specced, significantly less expensive laptops already have (I paid $1500 after taxes for this machine when I could've got a similarly specced machine for under $800, and now I have to pay an extra $300 just to get a warranty!?), I'm SOL. They'll replace the parts for me again, but only because they were replaced in the last three months.

I mean, I suppose you could say, "Apple is fixing the parts, so what is the problem?" The problem is that I bought the machine at a premium, expecting that I would get a premium product. What I have received is a product that consistently fails to withstand even delicate use. A machine that breaks when you close the damn thing. The abundance of this issue and the attitude Apple has towards the repairs is evidence that we are being sold incredibly expensive laptops with known flaws that cause them to break themselves under normal use.

So, count me as one Mac user who, after years of anticipation and a climax of excitement, has been disappointed over-and-over by this machine that is lauded by Apple loyalists. I am really tempted to sell this machine and get a different laptop and never look back, and tell everyone I convinced to switch to a Mac to stop before it's too late.

I have supported Apple as much as I could. Sure, I didn't have enough money to buy an iMac and an iPod and an extended warranty to protect myself from acknowledged design flaws, but I loved Apple as much as I could and now that love is waning because I honestly feel wronged by a company I handed over so much money to at such a young age.

Long live ? Hm ...

I beat my ibook G4 to hell and i never had this many problems. It was dropped many times.

The macbooks are even better built. Sound to me like you shouldn't own a laptop. They aren't indestructible you now.

 

[Eidorian]

I beat my ibook G4 to hell and i never had this many problems. It was dropped many times.

The macbooks are even better built. Sound to me like you shouldn't own a laptop. They aren't indestructible you now.

I guess my spontaneous upper case cracking doesn't count.

 

[hogfaninga]

I guess my spontaneous upper case cracking doesn't count.

I have had 2 Macbooks and my wife has had 1. I have had a number of friends who have/had them and no cracking on any of them. Listen we all can play tit for tat, but the reality is some have had problems (their fault or Apple's depending on the situation of course) and some haven't. Good thing is Apple fixes it if there is a problem with the cracking.

 

[Eidorian]

I have had 2 Macbooks and my wife has had 1. I have had a number of friends who have/had them and no cracking on any of them. Listen we all can play tit for tat, but the reality is some have had problems (their fault or Apple's depending on the situation of course) and some haven't. Good thing is Apple fixes it if there is a problem with the cracking.

I never thought it would happen to me and it did. It was fixed and I've even had my Macbook in a hard case since purchase.

 

[D4F]

Do you have a link to this company? Or are you going to do the mosx thing and just post claims.

Here's mine and it's all Apple back here, mainly G5s and ACDs. The many others can be googled. Red One, Avid, FCP, Adobe, Pixar (of course), Lucas Films, a plethora of institutions and other journalism agencies, this year's Olympics, etc. etc. the list goes on all use the Mac.

Not that it's some end all be all solution, just that there are a good deal of key companies that use them. Just because the tiny ones don't doesn't mean they suck, and claiming something with no proof is WORTHLESS.

And what you say about software is very ignorant. As I said before, you just don't do enough to know.

p.s. will try POSSIBLY posting some images. Don't want to loose my job over someone else's opinion.

A website can be created on a pentium cpu and 512MB of ram easy.
I am talking about tool that gives you a variety of choices which ever you decide to go.
Well you can say install Win using bootcamp and there you go... wrong. Certain applications have registering issues as Macs use different time code (do not ask me why but it's a answer we received from Autodesk) thus clear your registrations on Windows side. It would be ok to re-register software BUT in few cases it can not be done unless you reinstall the entire package.
It's a killer.

And no I'm not gonna post any links as this is my personal opinion and not something I will drag my business into especially on a forum.

If you read New York Times or Miami Herald then i'm sure you saw our name there several times.

My point is.

Mac as a Mac is a good tool but it is VERY unsupported. It lacks hunderts of tools available for PC and it does make a big difference. IF the trend continues then maybe we will have that equilibrium in the future but for now for me they are just toys.

 

[hogfaninga]

I never thought it would happen to me and it did. It was fixed and I've even had my Macbook in a hard case since purchase.

Good for you. Like I said, we can play tit for tat all day. I haven't nor has anyone I know (I know 5 people with Macbooks besides my wife and me)(I carry my Macbook everywhere I go) experienced it. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen because it has to a number of people, but Apple fixes it. Just because you or anyone else has had a problem with it doesn't mean others will. There has been a number in this thread and other threads who haven't had that problem. They are entitled to speak their opinions as well.

Is this a widespread problem? Maybe (I don't take anything on this site as gospel or too serious). Maybe not. Regardless what you want to call it, Apple has fixed the problem by replacing it even when out of warranty.

 

[tkermit]

[...]Is this a widespread problem? Maybe (I don't take anything on this site as gospel or too serious). Maybe not. Regardless what you want to call it, Apple has fixed the problem by replacing it even when out of warranty.

It does seem to get fixed for free by Apple - at least the cracking palmrests.

You don't have to take the word of any one person on the board, but as long as you believe at least a few of the people saying that they have been told by storepeople that Apple are well aware of the problem and that it is common, it should at least seem likely to you, that it is indeed a widespread problem.

I beat my ibook G4 to hell and i never had this many problems. It was dropped many times.

The macbooks are even better built. Sound to me like you shouldn't own a laptop. They aren't indestructible you now.

Saying you beat your own iBook to hell as well as dropping it many times and at the same time suggesting someone else shouldn't own a laptop who claims to handle theirs delicately???

Why not just make your post more succinct and post "You're lying [about the way you handle your laptop]!" ? Or do you actually find that to be too obviously rude ?

After having owned both a Macbook and iBook G4, each for ~2 years, I find that the iBook was actually a bit sturdier, partly because the palmrests seemed to be made of thicker plastic and the cover went around the edge, not like on the Macbooks,where the part that includes the keyboard sits on top of the bottom case like a lid.

I never had (cracking) problems with my iBook either, but do with my Macbook (although I realize that my personal experience is not necessarily representative (!)).

edit: On 2nd thought - you may have been joking...

 

[KissStephanie]

Then, in August 2007, I finally bought a MacBook. And since then, it's been nothing but disappointment.

This could happen with any computer manufacturer of course, and maybe you just have bad luck. Fortunately that doesn't happen with me though, although I have never owned a plastic MacBook. I have been patiently waiting for something better in the consumer line, and the aluminium MacBooks are nearly here! I can't wait!

 

[Digital Skunk]

This is my personal opinion:

Mac as a Mac is a good tool but it is VERY unsupported. It lacks hunderts of tools available for PC and it does make a big difference. IF the trend continues then maybe we will have that equilibrium in the future but for now for me they are just toys.

Now we are getting somewhere. That's all you had to say.

My opinion is the opposite. Lucky for me mine is based on facts.

 

[mosx]

Sorry, been away for a couple of days

I have a white macbook and its excellent ventilation fans turns on when the unit gets warm. Secondly, I had a Fujitsu Windows XP computer which had its cooling fans turned on very regularly because of the heat that was generated from the machine. This has not been the case for the macbook which I am currently using, it feels okay and comfortable when I am using it.

Windows naturally runs the fans higher than Macs to *gasp* KEEP THE SYSTEM COOLER!

Even HP releases firmware updates that update how the fan is used to specifically extend the life of the computer as a whole.

My HP with Vista runs about 20c cooler under load than my MacBook about half the temperature while idle.

In fact, my MacBook's idle temp is higher than my HP's load temp.

Another note, you do not need 3gb to run Mac OS X 10.5. Mine runs very well on 2 gb. On the other hand, I have a Sony Vaio which runs on Vista Home and 2 gb, and it is runs much slower than the macbook. And boy, is that machine hot - literally.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv38uGj0PhY

Still think Macs run cooler than PCs?

As I said before, my HP running Vista is faster in every respect except startup time than my Mac. HP: 2GHz Core 2 Duo, 3GB of RAM, GeForce 8400M GS. MacBook: 2.16GHz Core 2 Duo, 3GB of RAM, Intel GMA 950.

Not to belabor a point, but going by Adobe's FAQ there seems to be at least some kind of hardware acceleration going on - not that one would actually think so going by its performace on OS X.

Did you even fully read and comprehend what you posted? Nowhere does it say that it is using the hardware to DECODE video. That is what I am talking about. You know, like Windows does. Pass the video bitstream to the GPU where all of the work gets done. What Adobe is talking about there is decoding everything in software and then using the GPU to scale the finished product to higher resolutions so that way it does not become as pixelated.

Two VERY different things.

Well, technically mosx can't even proof he has friends at all.

How old are you again?

Yes indeed. It's hard to debate someone that doesn't post a single supporting fact. I can make empty claims and post FUD too. And get some of the weaker minded individuals on threads to change their minds and be convinced.

What "FUD"? Care to disprove me? I post all kinds of things that are FACTS. Such as Apple being VERY behind in terms of specs, and the fact that OS X canNOT do bitstream decoding on the GPU of video.

He can continue to insult myself and others for us being "wrong", but when it comes down to it, myself and others here collect a paycheck for working with computers, so I'll laugh all the way to the bank while he continues with his diatribes.

You "collect a paycheck for working with computers".. because that means so much, right? Who said I didn't? Let's not forget that, a few years ago, everyone and their brother graduated from ITT Tech with some sort of IT certification. "Working with computers for a living" generally doesn't mean squat because any idiot can do it.

And you never proved me wrong. Ever. All you did was post outdated information and then stick your fingers in your ears and yell "la la la I'm not listening" when I brought up FACTS about OS X's lack of modern technologies.

But since that's certainly not the case, and he conveniently decides not to give his professional background with computers (working at Best Buy or the like selling them does not count, sorry) his opinions are just that; opinions.

Making assumptions based on no experience just like all of those articles you posted, eh?

What makes him irritating is his complete lack of understanding of what makes an opinion vs. a fact. It's quite clear this forum is completely lacking in moderation, otherwise they would have closed this thread a long time ago, and banned Mosx for constantly instigating needless arguments.

I don't instigate any arguments.

I come into a thread, state my EXPERIENCE, and FACTS about OS X (again, like increased CPU use over Windows, lack of hardware support for video, etc) and the Apple fanboys can't stand to hear the truth so they start arguing and flaming.

I also have to ask, what sort of person that supposedly is well versed in computers looks at the MacBook, realizes its price, looks at the specs, buys it and then complains about its lack of dedicated graphics constantly on an internet forum? It's like me buying an Asus Eee 10" and expecting it to be fantastic for spreadsheets, even though I realize the screen res is only 1024x600. duh!

Like I've said a million times before, I bought into the Apple Hype. I had good experiences with OS X outside of my own home. Every Apple fanboy makes Macs and Mac OS X out to be this wonderful experience that will make you forget that you're running on low-end hardware.

So I bought it based on my experiences and the words of those who turned out to be fanboys that now don't like to hear what I say.

Then I realized they were all wrong and now I'm stuck with a $1406 computer that should have only been sold for about $700.

Oh, and the fact that you have me on your ignore list and you parade it in your sig not only proves me right, that Apple fanboys hate to hear what I have to say because its the truth, it also gives me more credit. Thank you

mosx, when you talk about OS X crashing, do you mean a kernel panic, Finder crashing, an apparent system lockup (but still accessible via ssh, Remote Desktop etc) or the whole system genuinely going down with nothing accessible remotely. ?

The whole system locks up and its not accessible at all. The fans start to spin up like something is eating up CPU time. But its completely inaccessible and the only way to kill it is to hold the power button down.

You need proof?? Take a walk and ask people in PRO businesses.

We had over 15 Macs as of 2 months ago. Now we have 2 and they are gonna go soon too.

Macs SUCK. There just isn't enough software to support the short line of apps.
We switched to Vista 64bit and not only our workflow improved but we also got ********s of new tools to work with.

Finally! Someone else with some sense!

Lucas Films

Maybe if Lucas had run Windows the prequel trilogy wouldn't have been a complete and utter disaster.

I had my macbook for 4 and a half months. First time Mac owner....loved the OS, Loved the styling. Then I started recieving a crack along the bottom. I took it to Apple (Store) and they at first almost didnt want to offer anything. They basically said its a known issue, and even if we repair it will likley come back. This was out of the question. I spoke to the manager and got a full refund.

I wish I had taken up the refund offer from Apple.

Talks how his 700 dollar laptop is so great, but fails to mention it gets 2 hours of battery life in "batter saver" mode when all you do is browse the net.

Actually its a $900 notebook

And the real world battery life is about 3 hours and 20 minutes to 30 minutes depending on what I'm doing, with 50% brightness. About the same as my MacBook at 50%, except the screen on the HP is brighter at 50% than the MacBook.

Wow, I guess you can't stand other people's opinions when they differ from your own?

Exactly

I personally love opinions, even when they differ from my own. I just don't like opinions stated as facts, or with little to nothing backing them up, delivered in an extraordinarily arrogant manner.

Talking about those articles you posted in that other thread, eh?

Now we are getting somewhere. That's all you had to say.

My opinion is the opposite. Lucky for me mine is based on facts.

Nice way of twisting words around. His opinion is that they are just toys, however, it is a FACT that Macs are unsupported, lack the tools available to PCs, are VERY far behind in terms of specs, and the OS itself is lacking many modern technologies.

On a final note, I want to point out that HP is now offering the dv3500t in the US.

13.3" system, same width and depth as the MacBook, 1.48" thick however. But, of course, it has a proper cooling solution so you don't have to worry about the entire bottom of the case surpassing 40c. With the higher capacity (but not bigger) 6 cell battery it weighs nearly a full pound less than the MacBook.

For $1128.99 you get a 2GHz Penryn Core 2 Duo running on the Montevina chipset, backlit keyboard, 3GB of RAM, 160GB HDD, DVD writer, 512MB(!) GeForce 9300M GS, fingerprint and memory card readers, HDMI output, ExpressCard, 3 USB, 1 eSATA, and VGA out. $1,109.99 without the backlit keyboard.

Now, can someone explain to me how the $1099 or any MacBook is, in fact, a good deal? Or for $1228.99 you get a LED backlit screen.

 

[kabunaru]

For $1128.99 you get a 2GHz Penryn Core 2 Duo running on the Montevina chipset, backlit keyboard, 3GB of RAM, 160GB HDD, DVD writer, 512MB(!) GeForce 9300M GS, fingerprint and memory card readers, HDMI output, ExpressCard, 3 USB, 1 eSATA, and VGA out. $1,109.99 without the backlit keyboard.

Now, can someone explain to me how the $1099 or any MacBook is, in fact, a good deal? Or for $1228.99 you get a LED backlit screen.

Mosx, let's wait until the new Macs are released and then compare.

 

[NT1440]

mosx, in regard to your last statement, why do you never factor in that some people just like OSX better?

 

[leekohler]

Sorry, been away for a couple of days



Windows naturally runs the fans higher than Macs to *gasp* KEEP THE SYSTEM COOLER!

Even HP releases firmware updates that update how the fan is used to specifically extend the life of the computer as a whole.

My HP with Vista runs about 20c cooler under load than my MacBook about half the temperature while idle.

In fact, my MacBook's idle temp is higher than my HP's load temp.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv38uGj0PhY

Still think Macs run cooler than PCs?

As I said before, my HP running Vista is faster in every respect except startup time than my Mac. HP: 2GHz Core 2 Duo, 3GB of RAM, GeForce 8400M GS. MacBook: 2.16GHz Core 2 Duo, 3GB of RAM, Intel GMA 950.



Did you even fully read and comprehend what you posted? Nowhere does it say that it is using the hardware to DECODE video. That is what I am talking about. You know, like Windows does. Pass the video bitstream to the GPU where all of the work gets done. What Adobe is talking about there is decoding everything in software and then using the GPU to scale the finished product to higher resolutions so that way it does not become as pixelated.

Two VERY different things.



How old are you again?



What "FUD"? Care to disprove me? I post all kinds of things that are FACTS. Such as Apple being VERY behind in terms of specs, and the fact that OS X canNOT do bitstream decoding on the GPU of video.



You "collect a paycheck for working with computers".. because that means so much, right? Who said I didn't? Let's not forget that, a few years ago, everyone and their brother graduated from ITT Tech with some sort of IT certification. "Working with computers for a living" generally doesn't mean squat because any idiot can do it.

And you never proved me wrong. Ever. All you did was post outdated information and then stick your fingers in your ears and yell "la la la I'm not listening" when I brought up FACTS about OS X's lack of modern technologies.



Making assumptions based on no experience just like all of those articles you posted, eh?



I don't instigate any arguments.

I come into a thread, state my EXPERIENCE, and FACTS about OS X (again, like increased CPU use over Windows, lack of hardware support for video, etc) and the Apple fanboys can't stand to hear the truth so they start arguing and flaming.



Like I've said a million times before, I bought into the Apple Hype. I had good experiences with OS X outside of my own home. Every Apple fanboy makes Macs and Mac OS X out to be this wonderful experience that will make you forget that you're running on low-end hardware.

So I bought it based on my experiences and the words of those who turned out to be fanboys that now don't like to hear what I say.

Then I realized they were all wrong and now I'm stuck with a $1406 computer that should have only been sold for about $700.

Oh, and the fact that you have me on your ignore list and you parade it in your sig not only proves me right, that Apple fanboys hate to hear what I have to say because its the truth, it also gives me more credit. Thank you



The whole system locks up and its not accessible at all. The fans start to spin up like something is eating up CPU time. But its completely inaccessible and the only way to kill it is to hold the power button down.



Finally! Someone else with some sense!



Maybe if Lucas had run Windows the prequel trilogy wouldn't have been a complete and utter disaster.





I wish I had taken up the refund offer from Apple.



Actually its a $900 notebook

And the real world battery life is about 3 hours and 20 minutes to 30 minutes depending on what I'm doing, with 50% brightness. About the same as my MacBook at 50%, except the screen on the HP is brighter at 50% than the MacBook.



Exactly



Talking about those articles you posted in that other thread, eh?



Nice way of twisting words around. His opinion is that they are just toys, however, it is a FACT that Macs are unsupported, lack the tools available to PCs, are VERY far behind in terms of specs, and the OS itself is lacking many modern technologies.

On a final note, I want to point out that HP is now offering the dv3500t in the US.

13.3" system, same width and depth as the MacBook, 1.48" thick however. But, of course, it has a proper cooling solution so you don't have to worry about the entire bottom of the case surpassing 40c. With the higher capacity (but not bigger) 6 cell battery it weighs nearly a full pound less than the MacBook.

For $1128.99 you get a 2GHz Penryn Core 2 Duo running on the Montevina chipset, backlit keyboard, 3GB of RAM, 160GB HDD, DVD writer, 512MB(!) GeForce 9300M GS, fingerprint and memory card readers, HDMI output, ExpressCard, 3 USB, 1 eSATA, and VGA out. $1,109.99 without the backlit keyboard.

Now, can someone explain to me how the $1099 or any MacBook is, in fact, a good deal? Or for $1228.99 you get a LED backlit screen.

Why are you here? Just to annoy people? Can you not get it through your skull that a lot of people here prefer Mac OS to Windows for very good reasons? What's so hard to understand? If you don't like your MacBook, then sell it. No one is ever "stuck" with a computer.

A $1099 MacBook is a good deal to someone who wants OSX. Hell, I have a black one, and I love it. I've been using Macs since they were beige too. I use them at work and at home. I never have to deal with Windows, thank god. I used it at one job, and I hope I never have to again.

Get over yourself, sell your MacBook and enjoy Vista. The rest of us will be getting work done.

 

[tkermit]

Did you even fully read and comprehend what you posted? Nowhere does it say that it is using the hardware to DECODE video. That is what I am talking about.

This is what you were talking about:

Flash in Windows takes advantage of hardware acceleration for video.[...] Mac OS X has [nothing] to take advantage of the GPU for video playback.

Then you go on, defining what "modern hardware acceleration" means.

Nowhere did I claim OS X supported "modern hardware acceleration for video" as defined by you in post #234 (since I just don't know). Your exact quote that I replied to was chosen for context and since you seemed to deny the possibility of applications having any kind of GPU-accelerated video playback. You certainly didn't make it clear that you were already aware of what Adobe clearly calls "hardware acceleration" in the Adobe Flash Player settings on OS X (by which,yes, they apparently mean hardware-accelerated scaling). I get that you feel that "hardware acceleration" should mean that the GPU is actually decoding the video bitstream. I'll repeat my only point: "there seems to be some kind of hardware acceleration going on", which Adobe's FAQ clearly states.

You seem so blinded by your weird hatred of OS X that you don't even realize that (1) I'm agreeing with you, that Flash's performance on OS X is subpar and (2) I don't have an opinion on whether Flash is actually hardware accelerated (in whatever way) on OS X, I just posted a fact (if you trust Adobe) I found.

If you're so angry about the misuse of the term "hardware acceleration" I would ask you to contact Adobe directly, since I just don't care that much.

 

[Digital Skunk]

Get over yourself, sell your MacBook and enjoy Vista. The rest of us will be getting work done.

I think mosx and D4F need to take your advice. The part I don't really understand is that it's opinion, which they are free to have, but they can't go around slamming people for having a mind. They certainly can't go around trying to claim they know SO much about BOTH Mac OS X and Vista to talk everyone to death.

Personally speaking, I came from the Windows media world, and still use both XP and Mac OS X daily. The Mac just works better for integrated media production for many. Windows works better for others.

Life moves on.

p.s. And my Mac Pro was f****d up at work today, I was too tired to fix it, I just went home.

 

[Vulcan]

Well, in regards to some arguments here, I'm a sort of business user when it comes to computers so to speak. I use a MBP at work daily, and at home I use my MacBook.

With my current job, I'm extremely busy at work and home. I just need something that's simple and works with minimum attention to things on the administrative side. Now, it's not like I'm disabled and can't use a computer - I'm very good with them, but I just need a consistent environment. In the few hours just to get away on my computer, I don't want them to be spent on a virus scan or a HD defrag.

I will admit, Macs are extremely expensive. PC's are less, regardless of what way you want to put it, but in my experience, Macs have been worth it.

 

[polaris20]

I had to take you off ignore, because like a good trainwreck, I can't help but watch

Sorry, been away for a couple of days



Windows naturally runs the fans higher than Macs to *gasp* KEEP THE SYSTEM COOLER!

Even HP releases firmware updates that update how the fan is used to specifically extend the life of the computer as a whole.

My HP with Vista runs about 20c cooler under load than my MacBook about half the temperature while idle.

In fact, my MacBook's idle temp is higher than my HP's load temp.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv38uGj0PhY

Still think Macs run cooler than PCs?

As I said before, my HP running Vista is faster in every respect except startup time than my Mac. HP: 2GHz Core 2 Duo, 3GB of RAM, GeForce 8400M GS. MacBook: 2.16GHz Core 2 Duo, 3GB of RAM, Intel GMA 950.



Did you even fully read and comprehend what you posted? Nowhere does it say that it is using the hardware to DECODE video. That is what I am talking about. You know, like Windows does. Pass the video bitstream to the GPU where all of the work gets done. What Adobe is talking about there is decoding everything in software and then using the GPU to scale the finished product to higher resolutions so that way it does not become as pixelated.

Two VERY different things.



How old are you again?



What "FUD"? Care to disprove me? I post all kinds of things that are FACTS. Such as Apple being VERY behind in terms of specs, and the fact that OS X canNOT do bitstream decoding on the GPU of video.

yawn. Yes, video is all that matters. Those of us that actually use a computer for something other than watching movies don't really care. Besides, OSX plays DVDs just fine, and has done so since the G4 days. I know, because I have one sitting here.

You "collect a paycheck for working with computers".. because that means so much, right? Who said I didn't?

I really don't care what it means to you, quite honestly. But the fact that I do Windows and Linux administration for a living and you can't even give any of your background leads me to believe you're nothing but a hobbyist with a big mouth.

Especially since you still haven't backed up anything you've said. We're all still waiting on something more than your 4 computers and your friends.

Let's not forget that, a few years ago, everyone and their brother graduated from ITT Tech with some sort of IT certification. "Working with computers for a living" generally doesn't mean squat because any idiot can do it.

Come on now Mosx. Are you really that ignorant? Really? You think it's that easy to admin multiple Windows and Linux networks? Send me a PM; we can quiz each other.

Here's a hint though; I went to a state school, not ITT.Let me guess, state schools are bad too, right? lol

And you never proved me wrong. Ever. All you did was post outdated information and then stick your fingers in your ears and yell "la la la I'm not listening" when I brought up FACTS about OS X's lack of modern technologies.

Being right is really important to you, isn't it? Sounds like someone's got some repressed issues. Do you want to talk about it? I've got a shoulder to cry on, buddy.

Making assumptions based on no experience just like all of those articles you posted, eh?

Oh, I don't think I'm the one lacking experience here, but go ahead and keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

I don't instigate any arguments.

I come into a thread, state my EXPERIENCE, and FACTS about OS X (again, like increased CPU use over Windows, lack of hardware support for video, etc) and the Apple fanboys can't stand to hear the truth so they start arguing and flaming.

Ooh, let's capitalize the words, maybe someone will start to believe you know what you're talking about!

What experience? 4 laptops? Built a few computers? Sold computers? Wow, I'm impressed. lol

Like I've said a million times before, I bought into the Apple Hype. I had good experiences with OS X outside of my own home. Every Apple fanboy makes Macs and Mac OS X out to be this wonderful experience that will make you forget that you're running on low-end hardware.

Sure. Or it could be that you pay attention to specs when it suits your argument.

So I bought it based on my experiences and the words of those who turned out to be fanboys that now don't like to hear what I say.

Then I realized they were all wrong and now I'm stuck with a $1406 computer that should have only been sold for about $700.

Sounds more like an uneducated consumer who listens to other people too much. If your friends jumped off a bridge, would you as well?

Oh, and the fact that you have me on your ignore list and you parade it in your sig not only proves me right, that Apple fanboys hate to hear what I have to say because its the truth, it also gives me more credit. Thank you

You haven't proven yourself right because you've yet to back anything up. Come on, after 2 threads we're still waiting. You still need to read the definitions of opinion and fact. Seems to me it's still a bit hazy for you. Send me a PM; perhaps I can work through some examples for you.

The whole system locks up and its not accessible at all. The fans start to spin up like something is eating up CPU time. But its completely inaccessible and the only way to kill it is to hold the power button down.



Finally! Someone else with some sense!



Maybe if Lucas had run Windows the prequel trilogy wouldn't have been a complete and utter disaster.

Rofl that's funny stuff. Now George Lucas needs to get a clue because Lucasfilm uses Macs. Dude you crack me up Mosx.

 

[DoFoT9]

geez this thread has gone off the rails!!

so much for having oppinions

 

[Digital Skunk]

geez this thread has gone off the rails!!

so much for having oppinions

It's okay to have an opinion or want to discuss shortcomings of one system over another. It's when people's emotions get into the mix, and people start claiming those opinions as facts, or making unsubstantiated claims about one's experience that certain people need to just chill.

They need to refocus their mind on the world out there, and not the long string of posts blabbing on about how they hate this or hate that and I am right because I said so.

 

[DoFoT9]

It's okay to have an opinion or want to discuss shortcomings of one system over another. It's when people's emotions get into the mix, and people start claiming those opinions as facts, or making unsubstantiated claims about one's experience that certain people need to just chill.

They need to refocus their mind on the world out there, and not the long string of posts blabbing on about how they hate this or hate that and I am right because I said so.

yes thats a good point, people do get pretty fired up about things though so i guess it is to be expected. we are only human so its a natural thing to defend yourself when your being attacked. i know i do!!

ive been away for a few days and this thread has gotten out of hand, so i didnt bother reading, has the OP taken his MB back yet??

 

[Digital Skunk]

yes thats a good point, people do get pretty fired up about things though so i guess it is to be expected. we are only human so its a natural thing to defend yourself when your being attacked. i know i do!!

ive been away for a few days and this thread has gotten out of hand, so i didnt bother reading, has the OP taken his MB back yet??

He has, no word AFAIK as to whether he is fine with his replacement. I know that he/she did say something to the tune of, "I guess I should get on with my life..." and we all cheered.

Then the flames and fanboy-isms started from both sides of the fence.

 

[DoFoT9]

He has, no word AFAIK as to whether he is fine with his replacement. I know that he/she did say something to the tune of, "I guess I should get on with my life..." and we all cheered.

Then the flames and fanboy-isms started from both sides of the fence.

ok well at least he's moving on, im cheering too haha.

seriously though, i dont see what the big issue is.. whats the use of comparing macs to pc's, blaming companies, blaablaablaa...seems like a big "im right because i think im right" -athon.. haha oh well. funny reading though

 

[leekohler]

I think mosx and D4F need to take your advice.

Let's hope so. Good lord- enough already.

 

[polaris20]

Let's hope so. Good lord- enough already.

It won't end, because this board lacks moderation, and Mosx has a complete lack of understanding what an opinion is, as well as failing to understand that people just have different preferences than him. He's either got some mental issues to deal with, or he's a troll. If he's a troll, he sure is a tenacious one!

If you look at what he posts, it's always in a thread where there's an Apple shortcoming, such as problems with the Mac or lack of specs. He's never in a thread to actually help out. He just ramps up the Apple hate, goes on about how he drank the Jobs Kool-Aid but he's feeling better now, etc.

He should go over to the Ubuntu forums and tell them all about Vista. Not only would it be just as relevant as it is here, I'm sure they'd love him.

 

[Beric]

It won't end, because this board lacks moderation,

This board has great moderation. But if it doesn't satisfy you, leave.

As for the rest of your post, it's just an ad-hominem against mosx.

It really seems that you may actually be the problem here. Mosx has not gotten close to as put off as you have. His posts actually tend to be well-reasoned. His opinions tend to be logical extensions of the facts. Just because he's not popular makes him no more wrong.

I used to be a person who only considered macs. But after reading exchanges between mosx and other posters, I realized he was actually the one with the well-reasoned arguments. I'm giving macs a little less than a year, and if prices, specs, and quality issues don't improve by then, I'll end up buying a PC.