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...1 minute and counting until [a reasonable person] states [the obvious fact] that the software is optimised for the hardware.

thought I'd fix that for you...

Isn't it also about support issues for various unpredictable configurations and the loss of profit by selling hardware, though ?

btw: I'm just playing...
 
Have you tried to email Jobs? His (or supposed his) email address is all over the board. Just do a search. A lot of people have gotten positive things from doing that. How about calling customer service and talking to a manager. The worse they can say is no. Write letters to them. Tell them everything that went wrong. Tell them you love OS X, but you had numerous trouble with the hardware. You might be given a satisfactory solution.

I've always found the suggestion to email the CEO of a multi billion dollar company to get satisfactory support a bit strange...

It's not for nothing the MacBook goes by the nickname CrackBook... It's never been fixed by Apple. Hardly something they can be proud over...
 
I've always found the suggestion to email the CEO of a multi billion dollar company to get satisfactory support a bit strange...

It's not for nothing the MacBook goes by the nickname CrackBook... It's never been fixed by Apple. Hardly something they can be proud over...

Every laptop maker and their products have negative nicknames (most). Big deal. I know a ton of people who have had the MB without one crack. I know 1 who has and it was 2 yrs old and Apple fixed it.

BTW it isn't strange. I'm guessing it really isn't Job's email (of course not), but it goes to customer service. Regardless the fact is many people have emailed that address and got their problem solved.
 
thought I'd fix that for you...

Isn't it also about support issues for various unpredictable configurations and the loss of profit by selling hardware, though ?

btw: I'm just playing...

If Apple released OS X, companies like Dell and HP, who Microsoft have pissed off beyond belief over the past few decades would switch to OS X in a heartbeat. Dell does something Microsoft don't like, Microsoft lowers the cost of Windows licences to HP, Sony, Toshiba from $50 to $5. Suddenly a Dell is $50 more for the same hardware, Dell die in a matter of weeks. Microsoft have complete control.

Apple would regain that lost profit and go on to increase it 10 fold within a matter of months.

OS X is not optimised for any hardware. Apple hardware is changing every couple of months. They have a wide product line, and Leopard runs on computers as far back as 2002, or with some light upgrading, 1999, and even unofficially on the G3's. There is no way they could or would bother to optimize OS X for every Apple hardware configuration out there for the past 10 years. How exactly do you "optimize" for one set of hardware and not another, its a generic architecture. How would you optimise for a Core 2 Duo in a Macbook but not in a Dell?

Its just a standard architecture, OS X doesn't know what hardware its running on (well it will report what hardware you have obviously) the point I'm making is that OS X cannot distinguish between these, and cannot whack on "optimization mode" when it finds out what hardware it has.

Edit: Oh your just playing. Well nevermind I'll leave the post for anyone else to see.
 
If Apple released OS X, companies like Dell and HP, who Microsoft have pissed off beyond belief over the past few decades would switch to OS X in a heartbeat. Dell does something Microsoft don't like, Microsoft lowers the cost of Windows licences to HP, Sony, Toshiba from $50 to $5. Suddenly a Dell is $50 more for the same hardware, Dell die in a matter of weeks. Microsoft have complete control.

Apple would regain that lost profit and go on to increase it 10 fold within a matter of months.

OS X is not optimised for any hardware. Apple hardware is changing every couple of months. They have a wide product line, and Leopard runs on computers as far back as 2002, or with some light upgrading, 1999, and even unofficially on the G3's. There is no way they could or would bother to optimize OS X for every Apple hardware configuration out there for the past 10 years. How exactly do you "optimize" for one set of hardware and not another, its a generic architecture. How would you optimise for a Core 2 Duo in a Macbook but not in a Dell?

Its just a standard architecture, OS X doesn't know what hardware its running on (well it will report what hardware you have obviously) the point I'm making is that OS X cannot distinguish between these, and cannot whack on "optimization mode" when it finds out what hardware it has.

This would really be a discussion for a different thread, hence the 'just playing' part added to my post. Apart from that:

I'd guess that as soon as Apple had to support as many configurations as MS does, they'd run into a lot of the same compatibility issues that MS has to deal with and which are often unfairly attributed to ineptitude, when in reality it is a conceptual problem that's hard to deal with. It's not an easy problem, and personally it is one of the reasons I like Apple: that they decide to circumvent the problem by using their own hardware.

You're right, the hardware companies would win, I'm not sure Apple would.

The meaning of 'optimizing' in this context would be, that Apple takes care of making sure OS X plays well with all recent hardware configurations. I'd argue, it would be a lot more work for them to write drivers or test drivers written by others for all possible configurations out there. As I said, I get the impression MS has some problems with that themselves...

edit: so I guess 'just playing' wasn't entirely accurate, I just didn't want to derail the thread (any more than it already has been...)
 
how did you purchase the MacBook? If via a major credit card, you may be able to get a replacement through them. AmEx and many Visa/MasterCards will, effectively, double the manufacturer's warranty. (I always purchase high-end electronics with my AmEx card for this very reason.)

Additionally, you may have some coverage under your renters or home owners insurance. It certainly wouldn't hurt to give your insurance agent a call to find out.
 
Right now I'm looking at Dell XPS m1330. I wonder how much I could get for this MacBook ...

If you're going to go PC, then go with a business class laptop. In my experience they are better built and more reliable. For Dell, go with the Gold Support, it's well worth the money for N. American support.

http://www.dell.com/business/laptops

Lenovo Thinkpads are also an excellent choice (I've currently got a T61p), and their support is located in Atlanta.

http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/...-category-id=8FA114A7D9FF4F38AE8E19B36EC665A7

The Thinkpads are my personal favorites. While they're rather boring looking in appearance, the construction is very solid, and they're quite reliable. If you're into light gaming, the SL series is available with an nVidia 9300m. Not the greatest for modern games, but will do slightly older titles.

A fully loaded SL300 (roughly same weight and size as a MB) with 4GB RAM, Montevina-based 2.4Ghz C2D, 320GB 5.4k hard drive, DVD burner, nVidia PCIe, and 3yr next day depot warranty will run you roughly $1550.
 
This would really be a discussion for a different thread, hence the 'just playing' part added to my post. Apart from that:

I'd guess that as soon as Apple had to support as many configurations as MS does, they'd run into a lot of the same compatibility issues that MS has to deal with and which are often unfairly attributed to ineptitude, when in reality it is a conceptual problem that's hard to deal with. It's not an easy problem, and personally it is one of the reasons I like Apple: that they decide to circumvent the problem by using their own hardware.

Windows has failed because its a piss poor OS. Granted there are sometimes driver issues, as was the case with Vista, however more often than not its because its simply bad. Linux can either go two ways, very well or very poor. If you can find good Linux drivers then great, you will not find a more stable system than Linux, if not then you will find yourself on a Linux forum asking a spotty teen to knock some up for you, which will slow down or hose your system.

Mac OS X if released, would have Linux stability, with Windows third party support, its quite a feat for one OS to be so awesome.

I'm not asking companies to start creating Mac drivers for every piece of hardware since the dawn of time. Apple would have a controlled hardware program. Whereby Dell, HP etc. create systems according to Apples requirements. Same for components. Keep it to a select amount of hardware, and only good hardware, not all the cheap stuff you see about. Customers would have more choice, but not as much choice as to the point where you struggle to keep on top of everything, as is happening now.


You're right, the hardware companies would win, I'm not sure Apple would.

Apple would become Microsoft, except with moral values and a good operating system.

The meaning of 'optimizing' in this context would be, that Apple takes care of making sure OS X plays well with all recent hardware configurations. I'd argue, it would be a lot more work for them to write drivers or test drivers written by others for all possible configurations out there. As I said, I get the impression MS has some problems with that themselves...

See above :)

edit: so I guess 'just playing' wasn't entirely accurate, I just didn't want to derail the thread (any more than it already has been...)
 
I wanted to be a Mac owner so badly since about 2002. I read MacRumors and other Apple websites religiously, obsessed over new models of iPods and Macs just as much as the rest of you Mac users, but I simply did not have the money to afford one.

Then, in August 2007, I finally bought a MacBook. And since then, it's been nothing but disappointment.

To be truthful, I was more excited about being a Mac owner before I actually was one. First thing that happened to me; the infamous palmrest crack. I got it on both sides. Then, out of nowhere, my HDD died. I had no backups; blame me all you want, there was an acknowledged issue with this HDD model (http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-9823370-37.html) and no recall was issued. At around the same time, my bottomcase cracked, which Apple refused to cover under warranty ("The bottomcase cracking is always due to user negligence and therefore we never cover it under warranty.") until I escalated the call and demanded it be replaced.

Now, only around three months after having all of this replaced, the screen bezel has two cracks on it, the palmrest has cracked again, and the bottom case has hairline cracks going around the front edge. At this point, I am beyond livid.

I deserve a replacement machine at this point, IMO. However, because I did not pay the $300 to the extend the warranty to the three year period that so many better-specced, significantly less expensive laptops already have (I paid $1500 after taxes for this machine when I could've got a similarly specced machine for under $800, and now I have to pay an extra $300 just to get a warranty!?), I'm SOL. They'll replace the parts for me again, but only because they were replaced in the last three months.

I mean, I suppose you could say, "Apple is fixing the parts, so what is the problem?" The problem is that I bought the machine at a premium, expecting that I would get a premium product. What I have received is a product that consistently fails to withstand even delicate use. A machine that breaks when you close the damn thing. The abundance of this issue and the attitude Apple has towards the repairs is evidence that we are being sold incredibly expensive laptops with known flaws that cause them to break themselves under normal use.

So, count me as one Mac user who, after years of anticipation and a climax of excitement, has been disappointed over-and-over by this machine that is lauded by Apple loyalists. I am really tempted to sell this machine and get a different laptop and never look back, and tell everyone I convinced to switch to a Mac to stop before it's too late.

I have supported Apple as much as I could. Sure, I didn't have enough money to buy an iMac and an iPod and an extended warranty to protect myself from acknowledged design flaws, but I loved Apple as much as I could and now that love is waning because I honestly feel wronged by a company I handed over so much money to at such a young age.

Long live :apple:? Hm ...

i dont see how everyone always have a problem with their Macbook??? What do you do to it. Like any laptop, you have to treat them fragile. If you slam the screen against the keyboard, of course you're gonna get cracks...

I wouldnt say its the so much the products that are poor quality but the way you treat them as well as the Apple Care Protection plan. I dont know how Apple Care is an award winning service (according to the back of the box)..

In other words, treat your Macbook like you treat a baby :)
 
Sell that piece of junk trust me.
My Macbook died so I sold it, my Mac Pro died so I asked for refund and I only keep the iMac becuase I have to even tho last month I replaced the logic board in it.

Like I wrote in another topic. Apple is worse than US Economy. They have great marketing and... that's about it.
I fell for it too but I'm glad I saw the light and I'm finally happy again not having to deal with Apple crap too much.

Only good thing that Apple did is the ACD and the iPhone WHICH unfortunately is crappier than the original one and again I feel stupid for selling the old one.
 
I was sharing an opinion based off of my experience with the MacBook, so if I didn't like it, that's my prerogative.

And Yes I did do research, but if you read my post at all It said I bought an iMac initially which I later exchanged for a Macbook because my iMac had hardware issues (which I didn't mention).

I exchanged it for the MacBook because from what I researched about the MacBook, it was fairly good. This was when the new SR MacBooks had just came out so the hardware it was shipping with was not fully understood yet. I thought the Palm Rest and heat issues were isolated, and were only happening to a few people, much like any other issues that affect a small percentage of the user base.

and you know what? All the issues seemed to pop-up in my MacBook, so call It bad luck, or whatever you want. From my understanding the MacBook's design is flawed and they are grossly underpowered. Apple really does need to do something about them.

Sincerely, an iMac lover.
 
I see you guys don't really need me in this thread anymore!
 
Windows has failed because its a piss poor OS. Granted there are sometimes driver issues, as was the case with Vista, however more often than not its because its simply bad. Linux can either go two ways, very well or very poor. If you can find good Linux drivers then great, you will not find a more stable system than Linux, if not then you will find yourself on a Linux forum asking a spotty teen to knock some up for you, which will slow down or hose your system.

Mac OS X if released, would have Linux stability, with Windows third party support, its quite a feat for one OS to be so awesome.

I'm not asking companies to start creating Mac drivers for every piece of hardware since the dawn of time. Apple would have a controlled hardware program. Whereby Dell, HP etc. create systems according to Apples requirements. Same for components. Keep it to a select amount of hardware, and only good hardware, not all the cheap stuff you see about. Customers would have more choice, but not as much choice as to the point where you struggle to keep on top of everything, as is happening now.


Apple would become Microsoft, except with moral values and a good operating system.

disclaimer: I'm not sure I'm adding anything to the discussion about this specific issue which of course is an old one, but I do wanna answer your points.

You make some good points! Specifically the idea that Apple could create a limited market of OS X hardware vendors whose players it would choose and influence. I guess I'd like that. Whether they would legally be able to do so, I'm not sure.

Quite frankly, I'm at a loss at why you are so sure of Apple's lasting moral values - but OK. Also, I'm not so sure that OS X wouldn't be ruined by mainstream success and its consequences in the form of more and more pressure from consumers of all kinds. And if Apple didn't limit the market as you suggested, I don't see why OS X wouldn't run into the same (driver) issues as Windows does. Remember that Apple customers wouldn't accept scouring the internet for drivers or anything similar to that or even the current Windows experience, I don't think.

Honestly, I don't know whether Vista is good or bad in regard to its technical foundations. I haven't used it extensively enough to be able to judge that and so can only go by what is reported. My personal opinion and perception is that Microsoft employs a lot of great programmers (et. al) who aren't led in the right direction, as far as the consumer is concerned. My problem with Vista and Windows in general is its lack of general vision when it comes to the user's needs. Also I think it lacks in the details. I also find it tasteless and gaudy. So there you go - there's more to it, but this should give you an impression.

In my opinion Vista doesn't give an ever growing part of the general public what it wants anymore (and that is simplicity and clarity in its presentation to the user, a system designed to do the job it is asked to do and stay in the background beyond that).

- I'm preaching to the choir here, of course... -

Personally, I think, linux is much further away from this than Windows is and could really only be a contender in the consumer desktop space if there was a distribution under serious leadership that was as concerned with how the system presents itself to the user as Apple is.

It does make a fabulous server OS though and I seriously think that's where its future will be, too.

edit: I just realized you didn't suggest a limited market of distributors but suggested the distributors only use preapproved hardware - I see similar issues though.

2nd edit: On second thought - this has already failed for Apple once...
 
I couldn't be bothered reading 5 pages of crap so I apologize if this has been said already.
Apple has admitted this is a design fault and will replace cracked cases outside the warranty period. Phone customer support/relations they will be happy to deal with your issue(s).
 
This is pretty much exactly what I'm bitter about.

And even in terms of "luxury-brand" fashion PCs, the Vaio SR is what the MacBook should be.

The Vaio SR is pretty decent. I like the fact that it actually has hardware options. You look at that and then you have to look at Apple and say "hey! HP, Dell, Sony, and everyone else offer dedicated graphics in their small notebooks, why can't you?"

My brothers macbook has both palmrests cracked (and it never leaves his desk!), my friend just got his dead Macbook battery replaced, and I'm on my second MBP battery and third charging brick, but I still love Apple. I can, though, understand exactly how you feel.

After all of that, why would you still "love" Apple? That many problems, to me, is enough to never purchase one of their computers again. At least until its been confirmed by average users, and not just diehard fans, that the problems have been fixed.

If Apple released OS X, companies like Dell and HP, who Microsoft have pissed off beyond belief over the past few decades would switch to OS X in a heartbeat.

Why would Dell and HP switch "in a heartbeat?" What has Microsoft done "over the past few decades" to piss off Dell and HP? HP and Dell don't seem too pissed off to me, considering they make products, like tablet PCs, that take full advantage of technology that Microsoft offers.

Dell and HP and every other Windows PC manufacturer will not switch. I mean, why are you so certain they will? They build their PCs based on choice. You can choose what software you want, what hardware you want (all the way down to the components). That kind of choice just isn't available with OS X.

Apple hardware is changing every couple of months.

Is that why the MacBook and MacBook Pro are more than half a year old now and using previous generation platforms?

They have a wide product line, and Leopard runs on computers as far back as 2002, or with some light upgrading, 1999, and even unofficially on the G3's. There

Leopard's official requirement is a G4 running at 867MHz. So while technically you could run Leopard on a mid-2001 model PowerMac and Vista on an early 2000 model PC (requires an 800MHz CPU), it doesn't mean either OS will run good on such hardware. And "light upgrading" for a 1999 model Mac? How many from that time period even support 512MB? A couple of PowerMacs support 2GB from that time. But do you realize how EXPENSIVE PC100 SDRAM would be now? Not to mention the fact that those PowerMacs fall well short of the CPU requirement. The best SDRAM I see on Newegg right now is $52 for 512MB. You're looking at over $200 just for 2GB of RAM on either the 2001 or 1999 model Macs. Plus neither one of those Macs will support an even remotely modern GPU, not even one thats half a decade old now. So you'll miss out on all of the hardware accelerated features of Leopard, like Core Image and even the basic UI will not be hardware accelerated. At least a 2000 model PC with an AGP slot could handle an old GeForce FX 5200 so you could at least get Aero (Pixel Shader 2).

Windows has failed because its a piss poor OS.

Explain this to me. I really want to know how Windows is "piss poor". Compared to OS X, it has many technologies that OS X lacks (such as full hardware acceleration for video, the ability to have dedicated hardware do dedicated tasks rather than it all being done in software), it has much wider range of hardware support, it has more software support, and its sold to anyone. Its not locked in to a proprietary environment that can only run on certain hardware.

Granted there are sometimes driver issues, as was the case with Vista, however more often than not its because its simply bad

Explain to me how its bad.

I've been running Vista on a variety of machines for the last year and a half since its release to consumers and I've had no driver issues. The only "issue" I've had is that patches and driver updates continue to improve the performance on the same hardware with no upgrades. The only way to get my MacBook to run faster is to throw more RAM at it.

Mac OS X if released, would have Linux stability, with Windows third party support, its quite a feat for one OS to be so awesome.

Mac OS X is not anywhere near as stable as a good Linux system or Vista. I've had OS X randomly crash for no reason at all. Nothing in the system logs to indicate why it crashes and I've run Apple's hardware test and it returns results saying everything is good. XP and Vista installed via Boot Camp on the same systems run rock solid with no crashing. Vista and XP on my HP notebook have also been completely rock solid with no issues. OS X is anything but stable. And it has a few more point revisions (10.6, 10.7, etc) before it finally has certain technologies that Windows has had for nearly a decade. Thats if Apple ever chooses to support those technologies. Apple's remedy for everything seems to be to throw more CPU cycles at the problem rather than optimize software and write it to take advantage of the hardware at hand (but the MacBook has no dedicated graphics! So it can't!)

Apple would have a controlled hardware program. Whereby Dell, HP etc. create systems according to Apples requirements.

Dell and HP building systems to Apple's requirements? No thanks. I like the fact that I can go buy an $800 HP with blu-ray, or dedicated graphics, or $1,000 for both. I don't want to see HP's prices shoot up so that $1299 only gets you a DVD writer and the worst of the worst GPUs.

Things are better now. In the PC world, you can choose from a number of manufacturers. You can pick the one you want based on their design, support, and whatever other factors you choose. Then when you made the choice to buy from that manufacturer, you can pick from a number of product lines that are all designed to meet different or all around needs. Then you can pick and choose the hardware and software you want to put in that machine. With Apple? You basically get one choice thats broken into multiple choices that are really no different other than screen size, processor speed, and HDD capacity. And some of those choices either don't have an optical drive or still have a combo drive that should have been tossed out 5 years ago!

Same for components. Keep it to a select amount of hardware, and only good hardware, not all the cheap stuff you see about.

Cheap hardware... like the stuff Apple uses? I mean, this is a thread started based on the fact that the OP had multiple build quality issues with his system. The "SuperDrives" in all Macs are also prone to failure. The cooling systems are a joke. The power supplies are fire hazards. The MacBook Pros are using GPUs that are prone to failure and Apple isn't doing a thing about it, while HP and Dell extend customers warranties for an extra year. So tell me, what "good hardware" does Apple use?

Apple would become Microsoft, except with moral values and a good operating system.

rofl, what moral values? Apple is all about profit profit profit. Look at the way they handle things. If you read the news, you'd know that European countries had to order Apple to issue recalls on iBooks with design flaws because Apple refused to service them out of warranty. Look at the iTunes Store. The music and video content is DRM'ed in a manner that locks you into their ecosystem. They ensnare people based on the fact that people only think they're spending $1 here $2 there then, before they realize it, they've got hundreds of dollars of content that will only work in Apple's software and on Apple's hardware. Look how they treat the App Store. Do something thats better than what they do? You get a swift boot in the rear kicking you out. Also, unlocking a phone is legal in the US under the DMCA. But what does Apple do? Illegally locks it and keeps it locked in an anti-competitive manner. And look at what they did with the iPod games a year ago. Bought a lot of iPod games before, or even after the iPod event in September of '07? OH sorry, they weren't the versions that would work on the new iPod. You have to buy them ALL over again! And look at what they did with the iPod video connectivity. The 5G and 5.5G iPods can connect with hundreds of video accessories. But with the iPod classic and 3G nano they locked out all video accessories and forced both consumers and manufacturers to buy products with Apple authentication chips. So instead of going and buying a cable for $10 that would provide better image quality than Apple's own, you're now stuck buying Apple's $50 video cable.

That doesn't sound like a company with "moral values". That sounds like a company thats out to make a buck and they don't care who they step on in the process.

Remember that Apple customers wouldn't accept scouring the internet for drivers or anything similar to that or even the current Windows experience, I don't think.

What driver issues?

On this forum and on every other Apple forum on the internet I hear of these supposed driver issues that send users scouring the internet looking for what they need. And you know what? I've been using Windows since the 3.0 and 3.1 days and I have NEVER had to do that.

Every piece of internal hardware I have ever purchased has had a driver disc. When I needed or wanted new drivers, the documentation as well as the drivers themselves pointed to a website where you could get the new drivers. 100% of the time it was the product manufacturers website.

Every pre-made computer I have ever owned has had a manufacturer website I could get new drivers from. Plus Windows Update has drivers for standard hardware.

Every printer, scanner, or all-in-one machine I have ever owned has come with a driver disc.

Every digital camera I have ever owned has had a driver disc. Since Windows 98, as long as you didn't get some cheap $50 camera in 1999 without a driver disc, you could just plug the camera in with no drivers and it would show up as a "USB Mass Storage Device". I remember when Apple ran that "switch" ad back in the day where the girl talked about her father having to get online and look for drivers for his digital camera on Christmas day. That was simply untrue at that time. Every digital camera costing more than $70 came with a driver disc or simply did not need one. More than likely, it did not need one.

And now with Vista, I don't need any drivers at all for my all-in-one and my photo printer. I just plug them in and they work. I get full functionality from my all-in-one, scanning included. And Vista properly recognizes the photo printer as a photo printer and selects the proper paper size and settings. In Leopard? I actually DO have to go download drivers from the HP site for both, otherwise I can't scan or even SELECT photo paper. Just for reference, thats an HP Officejet 5510v all-in-one and an HP Photosmart 475. The Photosmart is a 3 year old model and the Officejet is now a 4 year old model. Both work flawlessly in Vista but OS X requires drivers that I do have to actually search for and download.

The only device I have that didn't come with a driver disc but requires drivers? My ExpressCard TV tuner. But you know how it works? I plug it into my HP, Vista recognizes it, connects to the internet, and a minute later its installed and functioning flawlessly.

Whats even better is how things work now. If you're like most people and have a standard Intel chipset, Intel wireless, Realtek ethernet (or any ethernet really), Realtek or Sigmatel or anything like those based off the Intel HD Audio spec, and even more advanced hardware like a GeForce GPU, you can just do a standard install of Vista (which includes the standard drivers) and connect to Windows Update and it will download and install all of the drivers for all of your hardware. I could do that with my HP. It even gives me the most recent WHQL certified nvidia driver. But I choose to install my drivers individually.

I don't see why people make such a big deal out of drivers anyway. Drivers bring functionality and speed improvements across the board. So theres nothing wrong with them at all. When was the last time Apple updated the nvidia drivers in OS X or even Boot Camp? Windows users who know and are interested in that kind of hardware get updates constantly. As I've said in other threads, thanks to driver updates, my performance has nearly doubled in games in the last year. It happened with my other nvidia cards too. Frame-rates were much higher by the end of that products life than they were when I bought it thanks to driver updates. I had a TV tuner that, while being 4.5 years old now (Desktop TV tuner), it still gets driver updates to this day. It received all kinds of functionality updates, like being able to record 10Mbps 480p MPEG-2 video.

My problem with Vista and Windows in general is its lack of general vision when it comes to the user's needs.

How?

I also find it tasteless and gaudy.

I personally think Vista looks significantly better than OS X. Leopard has too much grey in it. Almost to the point of being a depressing color scheme. Vista makes much better use of color and looks considerably more modern than OS X does.

In my opinion Vista doesn't give an ever growing part of the general public what it wants anymore (and that is simplicity and clarity in its presentation to the user, a system designed to do the job it is asked to do and stay in the background beyond that).

OS X's crashing issues make it "Get in the way" more than Windows does.

Neither system is easier to use than the other. They just do things different. Vista does, however, have better underlying technologies (like hardware video acceleration and the ability to properly handle external displays on a notebook).
 
my gosh , that was some post mosx!, ..... be concise man , were on a forum here !



I see you guys don't really need me in this thread anymore!

Brilliant , just brilliant :)

ps , I hope you get your issues sorted out !.....remember, the most important thing when speaking to Applecare is to act like your 16 & asking your mum can you go the disco in a car with some older boys n girls...basically just be reeal polite , informed and most of all, chilled !.

best .
 
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:eek:

I'll answer what was directed at me:

1. The "lack of general vision when it comes to the user's needs": The user needs to get some job done. The operating system shouldn't make itself visible unless absolutely needed. I think Microsoft is too concerned with 'delivering an experience' and not concerned enough about making sure the user is actually able to reliably use his PC as a tool, unhindered by irrelevant distractions. And yes, visual distractions are a part of that. One (random) example: I love LOVE OS X's way of recognizing a USB mouse when plugged in and just letting me use it practically in an instant (without 'boasting' about it). Why would I have to be told about what the system is doing to let that happen (as at least XP did).


2. Easier to use ? Didn't say it was. You're right, they do thingsfferently. I'd actually guess OS X is NOT easier to use at first, but once you get used to it, you can be relatively sure of its conformity in behaviour across the system, moreso than on Windows. I stand by what I said, namely that I find that OS X cares much more for uniformity systemwide and across applications, often has easier to understand and carefully designed dialogues and generally adheres to guidelines that try to minimize clutter, visual overload and confusing behaviour, as well as unneedingly interrupting the user to take administrative actions not needed for his current work.


3. The look: No point to argue about it. Everybody should respect your opinion

4.The getting out of my way part: IF indeed OS X has serious crashing issues, I would agree that that would 'get in the way'.
 
I'm sorry to hear about your problems. I've had creaky hinges, screen issues, etc., but the worst was when my chassis deformed and warped, so I understand why you want to rid of the computer. When my computer warped I was ready to sell it and get a Thinkpad myself.

Anyways, I got a replacement and upgrade and it's been good ever since.
 
All I can say is, take it higher up until it gets resolved. I'm sorry you were the unfortunate person who got the lemon out of the bunch :(
 
I own two desktop Macs, and I look forward to owning one of the new MacBooks.

I sincerely hope that Apple will be able to compete in the increasingly aggressive notebook marketplace.

CASE IN POINT: This today . . .
"Dell Home has the Dell Inspiron 1525 Intel Core 2 Duo T5750 15.4" Widescreen Notebook PC with Blu-ray and Iron Man movie with bonus content, featuring 14 different color options (no extra charge on any), for a low $699.00. Free 2 Day Shipping (select 2nd Business Day Delivery in shopping cart).
5.9lbs; 15.4"; Intel Core 2 Duo T5750 @ 2.0GHz; 2GB RAM; 120GB HDD; Blu-ray reader/DVD burner; 802.11b/g; Vista Home Basic; 6-cell battery; 1yr warranty"

All this for $700, delivered.

Keeping my fingers crossed.
 
I own two desktop Macs, and I look forward to owning one of the new MacBooks.

I sincerely hope that Apple will be able to compete in the increasingly aggressive notebook marketplace.

CASE IN POINT: This today . . .
"Dell Home has the Dell Inspiron 1525 Intel Core 2 Duo T5750 15.4" Widescreen Notebook PC with Blu-ray and Iron Man movie with bonus content, featuring 14 different color options (no extra charge on any), for a low $699.00. Free 2 Day Shipping (select 2nd Business Day Delivery in shopping cart).
5.9lbs; 15.4"; Intel Core 2 Duo T5750 @ 2.0GHz; 2GB RAM; 120GB HDD; Blu-ray reader/DVD burner; 802.11b/g; Vista Home Basic; 6-cell battery; 1yr warranty"

All this for $700, delivered.

Keeping my fingers crossed.
I know a guy with a dell 15something or other core 2 in it that I;m sure and I kid you not my G3 starts quicker ....can't watch flash on it but it starts quicker all the same ...funny that :)
 
Don't get me wrong, marbles. I'm pulling for Apple, but I don't have my head buried in the sand.
 
Don't get me wrong, marbles. I'm pulling for Apple, but I don't have my head buried in the sand.

I never said you did have your head in the sand ! ,.......you believe it or not, I really couldn't care less ! ........ but I kid you not my G3 seems to start quicker than my mates new dell thingy ? might be something with his machine ..or my trusty G3 but still , all the same , it does .
( it was the dell 15?? given away free with an AOL deal about 6 months ago in the UK , if that helps ?)
 
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