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Read a few posts from the beginning of this thread then skipped to the end. Here's what I've read:

-The OP waited 5 years (2002 - 2007) to buy a Mac
-The Macbook is covered in cracks
-The OP is considering a Dell m1330

My advice: Get a high-end VAIO. The build quality is excellent and you won't be disappointed unless you're exceedingly unlucky (possible). If you want to stay with OS X, get a Macbook Pro. MBP's do have fault prone nVidia GPU's, but so does the m1330 and almost every other decent laptop out there.
 
Well not ALL mac products are perfect. Even tho they have a strict manufacturing process that tries to eliminate the "bad" one, it's not 100% accurate. Sounds to me you just happen to be the "lucky one". I'm sorry you had to go thru all of that. Just tell them that you just switched and it's giving you a lot of trouble. If that scenario happened to me, my local apple store would gladly help fix the problem. but some store managers can be a real pain.
 
Bleh. The Xbox 360 has it's problems. Computer monitors come with dead pixels. Hell, cars have been known to break down after 10,000 miles.

Basically, take ownership (and a bit of pride and confidence) and get your stuff replaced. I can't count how many threads I've read where people have taken their MacBooks to the Apple Store and got the casing replaced right then and there. And you don't need AppleCare for that.

Also, someone mentioned your friend's iBook AppleCare. You don't need to "find it". If you purchase it, it is registered to that particular computer. You can go to Apple's website, plug in the serial number, and it will show up.

Personally, if my MacBook started cracking I wouldn't mind. As long as the machine is fully functional and I can stay with OS X, I don't mind aesthetic issues. I realize everyone is different, though.
 
Windows has failed because its a piss poor OS. Granted there are sometimes driver issues, as was the case with Vista, however more often than not its because its simply bad.


Wow, this is one of the dumbest, most generalizing, misinformed things I've ever read on these forums. Windows hasn't failed, despite the flavor of kool aid on this side. It so completely and utterly dominates the computer industry, it's not even a battle. AT ALL. Anyone who says that XP wasn't/isn't a solid OS is full of crap.

nick9191 said:
Apple would become Microsoft, except with moral values and a good operating system.

What the hell? Now we're personalizing and internalizing billion dollar corporations to the point where we're assigning them moral values?!! This is utterly ridiculous. Both companies are in it for one reason: TO MAKE MONEY. If Apple can get people to believe that they're the purveyors of a happy little community of hip artists who are better than the unwashed Windows masses, it helps them sell more computers and ipods!

Some of the people on these forums amaze me with their naivete. Good lord. The world is not black and white, good and evil, mac and windows. Both have their pros and cons. Amazing concept, isn't it?
 
Queen of Spades,

Will you marry me? :D Assuming, of course, that you are a girl.
Just kidding, but I like your comments. I am a Mac fan, but I agree that Windows XP has a lot going for it. You are right; there is no black&white, Mac&Windows, etc.
Both have their good points and their weaknesses. Overall, I prefer the Mac; although I have used Windows for 15+ years.
 
So, hey!

M-MacBooks?

OP: after reading your original post (and nothing else, because i read enough), i have the opinion that it was your fault everything happened to that, and i support apple for their decision (IMO). my friend has an original MB (which is at least 2 years older than yours) and his has only just started cracking on the sides. none on the palm rests mind you.

how hard are you on your MB? of course plastic is going to crack if your 'mean' to it.

DoFoT9
 
So, hey!

M-MacBooks?

You said you adore OS X and dread going to Windows. You also said that after you ride the MacBook out, you will not likely get your next computer from Apple. Someone on here said that Apple acknowledges the "crack" issue and are fixing all MacBook units that are out of warranty. Finally, you said that you've been getting your crack issue fixed. It is clear the MacBook has a design flaw.

My question for you is, since you're going to keep your MacBook for a few more years, why not monitor the new MacBook/MacBook Pro offerings from Apple over the next few years and if they prove to be solid and without design flaws, why not consider getting another one then? I'm asking this specifically because you said you adore OS X.
 
OP: after reading your original post (and nothing else, because i read enough), i have the opinion that it was your fault everything happened to that, and i support apple for their decision (IMO). my friend has an original MB (which is at least 2 years older than yours) and his has only just started cracking on the sides. none on the palm rests mind you.

how hard are you on your MB? of course plastic is going to crack if your 'mean' to it.

DoFoT9

RRRize, I guess I don't have much of a choice but to do that. I am just weary of this case design in general as it has become evident how grossly flawed it is. I wish I could get my laptop transplanted into whatever new case Apple releases. ;)
 
I have been using Macs for as long as I can remember and can say that lately I have been feeling a little let down.

Over the past year or two Apple has grown as a company extremely fast. This with the fact that Apple is focusing on their damn iPods means that QA is shot to hell. Since I updated to 10.5 there has been constant software issues. My MBP does not function like my Powerbook did. Worst yet, I was getting ripped off for years with dot mac (totally my fault for continuing it), then it becomes mobleme and still does not work. All added features to it don't really work. I am currently working with 3 others to try and get our computers running after the 10.5.5 update. One of my buddies has a totally inaccessible start up disk.

Apple support is also no longer a help. Today while trying to get back to my mac working (yet again....) the rep typed "well, hmmm" when I told him my router was compatible because it is an Airport Extreme, he then just ended the chat session with out giving me any insight on how to get this stuff working.

IMO Apple has been to focused on the iPhone and iPods and has totally lost sight of the computer side of things. This was evident when Apple dropped "computer" from their name. This is going to have a very negative effect. Apple is really working hard releasing all this crap to wow windows users. These windows users will buy their Macs, then will see the same type of crap that made them want to switch in the first place and go back to windows.

I am currently looking into the Lenovo Thinkpad W-series. I will be bring my MBP in to get the power button and track pad fixed, then I will most likely sell it and use the Lenovo. I do music and will have to keep my MP to run Logic. I will be running Linux on the Thinkpad and frankly I really don't like any of the Linux audio software. Currently said MP is also not functioning correctly. I will most likely be forced to do a clean install (again....) and I plan on leaving it at 10.5.3. It's not perfect, but it is the best version of Leopard we have.

I was recently laid off and really need to have a functioning computer for resume printing and job hunting, not to mention moving my 401k and ESPP stocks around. I don't have the time to waste on figuring out why my computer does not work.

It really sucks sitting at a coffee house with other Mac users trying to get our computers to function while all the PC guys watch us and blog about it on their functioning computers.

<end_rant>
 
Though I'm a die-hard Mac fan (look at my signature), I have to agree that Apple's QC has gone somewhat downhill. Looking at everything from incorrectly applied thermal grease to cracks to logic board failures...it's disappointing. Even though apple has been great in my experience, I'm hearing way too many stories now about issues with their current line of products. :(
 
RRRize, I guess I don't have much of a choice but to do that. I am just weary of this case design in general as it has become evident how grossly flawed it is. I wish I could get my laptop transplanted into whatever new case Apple releases. ;)

what is RRRize??

the case design seems fine to me and pretty much 99% of other users, i guess you were just tougher on it then everyone else. :rolleyes:
 
what is RRRize??

the case design seems fine to me and pretty much 99% of other users, i guess you were just tougher on it then everyone else. :rolleyes:

rrrize is the user that posted immediately beneath you

also yes i guess you are right it's not like this issue is an absurdly commo-

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https://forums.macrumors.com/search/?searchid=12690100

seriously if you don't think that the macbook case has serious design flaws and believe for a second that this incredibly common problem is due to user negligence you are absolutely ignorant and hilariously devoted to a company that doesn't give a **** about you beyond your wallet
 
Although I have generally had good experiences with Dell's, I hear lots of good things about thinkpads. They are known for their incredible build quality.

Oh yeah, and the palm rest crack is 100% not you. I have seen so many MacBooks with cracks in the EXACT SAME SPOT. This is a widely spread issue that Apple is kind of ignoring.
 
rrrize is the user that posted immediately beneath you

also yes i guess you are right it's not like this issue is an absurdly commo-

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https://forums.macrumors.com/search/?searchid=12690100

seriously if you don't think that the macbook case has serious design flaws and believe for a second that this incredibly common problem is due to user negligence you are absolutely ignorant and hilariously devoted to a company that doesn't give a **** about you beyond your wallet

haha well then why did you quote me?? that doesnt make any sense.

there may be a design flaw but it can be (somewhat) avoided by being easier on it. the thing isnt a friggen brick.

i read the last result from the google search... that was caused by idiocy. im guessing some of the other 1million results are also from that kind of thing. yes it may be weak plastic, but no you dont have to be harsh on it. if you dont like the computer, go and buy a MBP. ive had mine since forever, it is an actual machine, nice n sturdy.
 
i read the last result from the google search... that was caused by idiocy. im guessing some of the other 1million results are also from that kind of thing. yes it may be weak plastic, but no you dont have to be harsh on it. if you dont like the computer, go and buy a MBP. ive had mine since forever, it is an actual machine, nice n sturdy.

You're right, for a measely $1300 CAD I shouldn't expect an actual machine like the MBP. :rolleyes: And I did reply to you, and then I replied to RRRize. It's not a difficult concept!

You're such a fanboy. Here you go! :apple::apple::apple:
 
You're right, for a measely $1300 CAD I shouldn't expect an actual machine like the MBP. :rolleyes: And I did reply to you, and then I replied to RRRize. It's not a difficult concept!

You're such a fanboy. Here you go! :apple::apple::apple:

hahaha i think if you take a closer look at your post, you will find that it has been removed, probably because your so rude and arrogant.

you go on back to winblows, goodluck with that buddy ;)
 
You're correct, it was removed. My apologies, but I can't be held accountable for them not removing the pertinent quote as well. ;)
 
The user needs to get some job done. The operating system shouldn't make itself visible unless absolutely needed. I think Microsoft is too concerned with 'delivering an experience' and not concerned enough about making sure the user is actually able to reliably use his PC as a tool, unhindered by irrelevant distractions.

Yes, the OS does need to "stay out of the way" while being reliable. OS X does a great job of this, with its random crashes, and Mail crashing in the background if theres a connection interruption, or iTunes randomly crashing while trying to sync an iPod or iPhone...

OS X is great about this in other ways too. For example, if you're browsing through folders in Finder and hit the back button, it doesn't take you back to wherey ou were, it takes you back to the top of the folder, so you have to scroll down again.

OS X really gets in the way when you hook up an external display to a portable. On Vista, the first time you connect a display, it brings up a little box asking you if you're like to clone the displays, extend, or use only the external. Even if you're on a portable. You can disable the built-in display and use the external. Better yet, it automatically detects the external displays native resolution. OS X? Mirror or extended. It won't detect the native resolution of the external display, and probably won't have it available if you're connecting to an HDTV. The only way to disable the built-in display is to close the lid to sleep the system, hook up an external mouse and keyboard, and wake it that way. But even then you still don't get proper resolution support thanks to OS X.

Another way OS X gets in the way: on Windows you cant alt+tab through all of your open WINDOWS. In OS X you can only do it (command+tab) through open applications, then you have to use a separate shortcut for going through the windows in the application.

Shall I go on about the ways OS X gets in the way?

And yes, visual distractions are a part of that. One (random) example: I love LOVE OS X's way of recognizing a USB mouse when plugged in and just letting me use it practically in an instant (without 'boasting' about it). Why would I have to be told about what the system is doing to let that happen (as at least XP did).

The "found new hardware" prompts only show up the FIRST time you connect a new device. Not every time. And that prompt is only onscreen as long as it takes for OS X to recognize a new connection for a device. OS X has to have me go through a setup wizard after a fresh install when I connect my wireless Logitech keyboard and mouse. Windows doesn't.

you can be relatively sure of its conformity in behaviour across the system, moreso than on Windows.

Even Jobs admitted that one of the improvements of Leopard was a uniform UI, since so many apps had such different UIs.

I stand by what I said, namely that I find that OS X cares much more for uniformity systemwide and across applications, often has easier to understand and carefully designed dialogues and generally adheres to guidelines that try to minimize clutter, visual overload and confusing behaviour, as well as unneedingly interrupting the user to take administrative actions not needed for his current work.

Are you referring to UAC? That only shows up as often as a password prompt does in OS X.

OS X is better about visual clutter than Windows? are you kidding me? In OS X, if you have a ton of windows/apps open, your only real way to access them all is either through Expose (which requires you to search for what you want out of the mess), or to bring all windows to the front by clicking on the apps icon in the Dock, or by control+tabbing to the app then control+~ to the window you want.

In Windows, you have access to ALL windows with the click of a button on the taskbar.

IF indeed OS X has serious crashing issues, I would agree that that would 'get in the way'.

And, indeed, OS X does ;) It's just that Apple fans are brainwashed to believe that, despite the crashing issues, they're still getting a better experience than Windows.

I know a guy with a dell 15something or other core 2 in it that I;m sure and I kid you not my G3 starts quicker ....can't watch flash on it but it starts quicker all the same ...funny that

System boot speed has absolutely nothing to do with overall system speed. Don't let OS X's boot speed fool you either. It appears to be faster, but for a good full minute from the time you press the power button, OS X is still performing boot and loading processes in the background even though you have a "useable" desktop. Watch iStat or Activity Monitor if you dont believe me.

Personally, if my MacBook started cracking I wouldn't mind. As long as the machine is fully functional and I can stay with OS X, I don't mind aesthetic issues. I realize everyone is different, though.

You see, thats the problem right there. Apple knows that they have millions of diehard fans that share those exact same feelings. And that those ridiculously loyal fans that will stay with them and buy their products no mater what.

Apple knows that they can charge premium prices for poorly built MacBooks and MacBook Pros with low-end specs and hardware and that these kind of people will buy them up without hesitation, because it has an Apple logo.

If these people would finally realize that they're getting ripped off... that $1100 for a combo drive, no dedicated GPU, and poor build quality is unacceptable, or that the MacBook Pro is also poorly built and $800 too expensive... and stop buying Apple products, then things would improve across the board.

But as long as theres enough people out there that are diehard fans, enough to keep Apple's profit margins high, they're not going to change their ways and we're going to be stuck with low-end and low quality hardware.

OP: after reading your original post (and nothing else, because i read enough), i have the opinion that it was your fault everything happened to that, and i support apple for their decision (IMO). my friend has an original MB (which is at least 2 years older than yours) and his has only just started cracking on the sides. none on the palm rests mind you.

how hard are you on your MB? of course plastic is going to crack if your 'mean' to it.

Classic Apple apologist reply.

It's never Apple or OS X's fault. Never. It's ALWAYS the users fault. Apple, Macs, and Mac OS X are absolutely perfect. Whenever something is wrong, it is because the user did something wrong or abused it or something.

Why don't you read this forum a little bit more or do some googling? Or even read Apple's support forums. You'll find pretty quick that the MacBooks are prone to cracking from regular use, cracking due to heat in various places, cracking because of over tightened screws and the stress caused by heat, cracking at various stress points for no real reason, cracking around the vents due to heat, the hinge separating due to heat. Need I go on?

there may be a design flaw but it can be (somewhat) avoided by being easier on it. the thing isnt a friggen brick.

i read the last result from the google search... that was caused by idiocy. im guessing some of the other 1million results are also from that kind of thing. yes it may be weak plastic, but no you dont have to be harsh on it. if you dont like the computer, go and buy a MBP. ive had mine since forever, it is an actual machine, nice n sturdy. [/quote[

How can you be easier on it? The palmrest cracks are a result of the magnetic "latches" putting too much pressure on the palmrest material. The high amount of constant pressure and weak material combine to make cracks. That has NOTHING to do with how the user treats it.

you go on back to winblows, goodluck with that buddy

At least Windows has modern technologies and is sold on hardware that is generally built significantly better ;)

And if you spend $2,000 on a notebook, you actually get a machine worth $2,000. Not one that is not even on par with a $1300 Gateway from Best Buy.
 
I wish I could get over my bitterness and go back to drinking the Kool-Aid, but I'm starting to feel claustrophobic about getting too involved in Apple's "ecosystem".
 
Personally, if my MacBook started cracking I wouldn't mind. As long as the machine is fully functional and I can stay with OS X, I don't mind aesthetic issues. I realize everyone is different, though.

Gotta love these kind of answers... I wonder how far a real Apple fan would go? Would everything still be fine if you somehow get Mac OS X to run on a pile of dog crap from Steve's favorite dog? You know, as long as it runs Mac OS X.. ;)
 
System boot speed has absolutely nothing to do with overall system speed. Don't let OS X's boot speed fool you either. It appears to be faster, but for a good full minute from the time you press the power button, OS X is still performing boot and loading processes in the background even though you have a "useable" desktop. Watch iStat or Activity Monitor if you dont believe me.

Oh, I totally agree , when both systems have 'booted' his blows my old G3 out of the park but just thought I'd throw the fact it does 'appear' to boot up quicker ......just for fun really.


Please don't take me for an Apple fan boy , I am anything but.
.........thing is I have only ever used OSX so I'm a little reluctant to try Windows , well on the occasions I have used it at friends home's etc it confuses the head off me ( which , granted is getting easier as the years pass), I suppose it is to be expected when trying something one is not used too....maybe I should go buy a low cost netbook with Windows on , just to try out (I could always sell it if it doesn't suit ) hmmm, might just .

I too get a bit sick of the Apple 'fanboys' who refuse to accept that OSX or Apple could have even the slightest flaw .......I'd go as far to say I think that Apple has an army of bots, people or whatever trawling the net just to find negative comments about the company to shout them down ...I've had more than my fair share of trouble with Apple , which I wont go into but suffice to say they are not as perfect as made out to be
 
RRRize, I guess I don't have much of a choice but to do that. I am just weary of this case design in general as it has become evident how grossly flawed it is. I wish I could get my laptop transplanted into whatever new case Apple releases. ;)

Get it fixed, sell it and buy a used 2.16 or 2.33 C2D MBP with ATI x1600 chip. Still better than built in Intel GPU and no plastic and way cheaper than current models. You can find them with a few blemishes for $800-$1000 or a bit more in very good condition.

This way you keep OS X and bootcamp flexibility and have a more reliable machine.

I didn't mention it earlier but I used to own a original CD MB and upgraded the disk and RAM and sold it for what I paid for the unit originally. It had one very tiny crack that the buyer didn't mind. The ATI-based MBPs are a good deal with plenty of life left in them and your MB once repaired again will sell. Plenty of them are still selling out there.

Cheers,
 

I've used the following OSes in this order :
OS/2 Warp/Win3.11/Win95/Win98/Win2000/WinXP/OS 10.3/4 and currently OS 10.5 as well as XP in a VM and Vista on another box just to keep it alive and because I get it for free.

I've used Windows for the longest time and still use it from time to time. I also have experienced enough of Vista to decide against using it full-time.

It's a free choice that many make and you now seem to ridicule anyone who makes that choice, which seems weird to do on a Mac forum.

- you mention the crashing again=> beside the point, I have already reacted to this point

- yes, there are user interface quirks in OS X. The so called Mac community actually holds Apple's feet to the fire regarding some of these issues (FTFF !?) Personally I can handle OS X's quirks better than the ones in Windows, so far. OS X's window handling has its pros and cons, I have come to find OS X's behaviour more logical than Windows'

- there are certainly areas in which Windows is more advanced and vice versa. You have to decide which area is most important to you. Any OS is a valid decision for multiple scenarios and different people.

-what you said about visual clutter: You're talking about visual clutter brought up by the user. That's not what I'm talking about. While I'm working, my real desk becomes a mess too, and I can be very productive (because of that). The specific programs and individual windows as well as the core system have to be clutter free, so you can even handle having multiple documents open and available at the same time

- saying Apple fans are brainwashed is pretty rude, but since you didn't apply it to all Apple users I'm gonna pretend you just mean the core of the cult

btw: I can't believe I'm discussing the possible sensibility in choosing OS X over Windows on a Mac forum. I do get the impression you mean to flame the fire.

It's sad that the OP has to put up with a faulty Macbook that cracks by design (as has mine). Personally, I quite regularly hear from people having hardware issues with their laptops, be it Apple or not. They're just sensitive items. One thing I guess you could argue is that Apple's designs are often a little more daring than those of other manufacturers, I could imagine that they may be more difficult to manufacture than your standard boring notebook.

Let's hope their track record gets a bit better in the future regarding some of these issues.
 
Sometimes I wish I had gone with a Windows laptop. I dig OS X, but I was using windows the other day, and I also bootcamp into it often, and I have never had a major problem. OS X feels great but it just doesn't seem completely worth the price?

I just bought my macbook a month and a half ago. Only three years until I can get a new laptop!:(
 
I love OSX. I've used Macs a long time. Current Mac hardware is hitting a streak of the sh|ts IMO. I wish I could easily (and legally) use OSX on other hardware, but that probably won't be happening anytime soon, so Apple's got me.

Not looking forward to aluminum, since my friends' MacBook
Pros have horrid wifi reception next to my MacBook. Hopefully Apple will fix this if they shift everything to metal.

I feel sorry for the OP's string of probs. I've had my share of problems as well (batteries, logic board, power adapter, matSHITa optical drives) and although I think I deserve a replacement, Apple Thailand's "service with a smile" ends when you hand over your money for the initial purchase. They actually tried to charge me a "repair service fee" even though I have AppleCare. Apple U.S. told me it was out of their hands. nice.

Been enjoying my Linux box a lot, lately ;)
 
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