iPhone 11 Why iPhone 11 is still a "720p" phone?

[profets]

Can you possibly upload a screen recording? This is mine and it is ridiculous. 13.1.2.

That's odd! I'll take some pics / video in a bit, wife is just out right now. I was trying it in Notes and Mail.

I do recall that Reminders app doesn't have dual pane (even on the Max) which is pretty weird as I remember in the past on Plus iPhones it did which was nice. Though the UI for it has completely changed with iOS 13.

 

[The Game 161]

Guess people don’t care that much given it’s likely the best selling smartphone.

 

[The.Glorious.Son]

Guess people don’t care that much given it’s likely the best selling smartphone.

Very true. But then you’ll have those who will tell you it’s because “well they couldn’t afford the pro models” lol Anything to validate a purchase.

 

[The Game 161]

Very true. But then you’ll have those who will tell you it’s because “well they couldn’t afford the pro models” lol Anything to validate a purchase.

Well those people would tell anything to push through their agenda lol...but the average person cares more about I would say their camera, battery life and it working smoothly than screen quality.

 

[russell_314]

Let me help you out. The only choices for modern devices are not Windows PC or Apple.

You said "Apple shows itself in a bad light by not allowing you to access things like your iCloud photos on non-Apple devices." I just proved your statement incorrect. It's okay to be wrong. None of us know everything or we wouldn't be here.

 

[Man on the moon]

Call me crazy but the Xr model still looks good to me.

 

[44267547]

Call me crazy but the Xr model still looks good to me.

Call me crazy, even the iPhone 8 LCD display looks good to me. Point is, All of the Apples displays look good. It’s not just the quality of the panel, it’s their calibration settings, color/temp, ect. It’s not like LCD isn’t relevant anymore, it is, it’s just Apple is abandoning that in favor of OLED.

 

[Drak3]

Call me crazy but the Xr model still looks good to me.

I ran an XR next to a Note 9 for months. The Note 9 didn't look any better outside of deeper blacks. Replaced the 9 with an 11 Pro Max, same thing, deeper blacks but otherwise they're both very sharp displays. If it weren't for the matte band on the XR and the slight size increase of the 11 Pro, I couldn't tell the difference without flipping them over.


The only phones I could recall ever being blurry since Apple introduced Retina, were the plus models for the 6-8. Only due to the weird downscale to 1080p.

 

[jimmy_uk]

I ran an XR next to a Note 9 for months. The Note 9 didn't look any better outside of deeper blacks. Replaced the 9 with an 11 Pro Max, same thing, deeper blacks but otherwise they're both very sharp displays. If it weren't for the matte band on the XR and the slight size increase of the 11 Pro, I couldn't tell the difference without flipping them over.


The only phones I could recall ever being blurry since Apple introduced Retina, were the plus models for the 6-8. Only due to the weird downscale to 1080p.

So you think the 1080p plus models were blurry, and the 1440p Note 9 didn't any better than the 828p XR. OK.

 

[skaertus]

Apple finally gets in 2019. Battery life and camera. Focus on what people want. The 6.1 lcd screen is good for 98% of the general public. They practically all day battery life even for heavy users matters.

Well, 98% of the general public do not need an iPhone 11 either. If we are talking about what is “good enough”, then perhaps we should not be talking of high-end devices at all.

If Apple wants to sell a $700 phone in 2019 and 2020, it should at least offer an OLED screen, which is included in phones costing half of the price.

 

[Azathoth123]

Well, 98% of the general public do not need an iPhone 11 either. If we are talking about what is “good enough”, then perhaps we should not be talking of high-end devices at all.

If Apple wants to sell a $700 phone in 2019 and 2020, it should at least offer an OLED screen, which is included in phones costing half of the price.

Generally I agree, but if some people have issues with OLED then it makes some sense to keep an ‘alternative screen’ in the lineup. We all used LCDs for a long time, and Apple make some of the best. And people seem to be having no issues with the 11, it’s selling well so if I were driving I’d be inclined to take the ‘If it isn’t broken don’t fix it’ position.

 

[danny842003]

Well, 98% of the general public do not need an iPhone 11 either. If we are talking about what is “good enough”, then perhaps we should not be talking of high-end devices at all.

If Apple wants to sell a $700 phone in 2019 and 2020, it should at least offer an OLED screen, which is included in phones costing half of the price.

why should they do anything? If you want an OLED phone at half the price go buy one. why make false equivalencies and pretend these devices are the same aside from that one thing?

 

[skaertus]

why should they do anything? If you want an OLED phone at half the price go buy one. why make false equivalencies and pretend these devices are the same aside from that one thing?

They are definitely not the same. But if a manufacturer can offer an OLED smartphone for $200, it means that Apple could certainly have included it in its iPhone 11. It is no big deal after all.

And it is not a false equivalency. Apple’s customers would probably be happier with an iPhone 11 with an OLED screen and a slightly slower processor. But Apple prefers to restrict the OLED display to more expensive phones, making them more exclusive to entice customers, and offer the same processor in all the phones (which probably optimizes the supply chain).

Of course Apple can do whatever it wants and Tim Cook knows how to manage a company better than I do (even though Apple is growing slower than its competitors and Microsoft has surpassed its market cap).

But, at least for me, Tim Cook’s Apple seems a greedy company which puts the best interests of shareholders above the ones of the customers. This Apple does not inspire me, and destroys any sense of loyalty I may have ever had towards it.

 

[deivydas]

They are definitely not the same. But if a manufacturer can offer an OLED smartphone for $200, it means that Apple could certainly have included it in its iPhone 11. It is no big deal after all.

And it is not a false equivalency. Apple’s customers would probably be happier with an iPhone 11 with an OLED screen and a slightly slower processor. But Apple prefers to restrict the OLED display to more expensive phones, making them more exclusive to entice customers, and offer the same processor in all the phones (which probably optimizes the supply chain).

Of course Apple can do whatever it wants and Tim Cook knows how to manage a company better than I do (even though Apple is growing slower than its competitors and Microsoft has surpassed its market cap).

But, at least for me, Tim Cook’s Apple seems a greedy company which puts the best interests of shareholders above the ones of the customers. This Apple does not inspire me, and destroys any sense of loyalty I may have ever had towards it.

I absolutely disagree with it. Flawless performance is a must thing for most and Oled is just an overhyped screen technology. And I’m saying it as an ex-iPhone XS Max user who is using iPhone 11 at the moment

 

[danny842003]

They are definitely not the same. But if a manufacturer can offer an OLED smartphone for $200, it means that Apple could certainly have included it in its iPhone 11. It is no big deal after all.

And it is not a false equivalency. Apple’s customers would probably be happier with an iPhone 11 with an OLED screen and a slightly slower processor. But Apple prefers to restrict the OLED display to more expensive phones, making them more exclusive to entice customers, and offer the same processor in all the phones (which probably optimizes the supply chain).

Of course Apple can do whatever it wants and Tim Cook knows how to manage a company better than I do (even though Apple is growing slower than its competitors and Microsoft has surpassed its market cap).

But, at least for me, Tim Cook’s Apple seems a greedy company which puts the best interests of shareholders above the ones of the customers. This Apple does not inspire me, and destroys any sense of loyalty I may have ever had towards it.

do you think the OLED panel in that $200 phone is going to be the same type of panel Apple would use?
customers maybe be happier but the majority don’t know or care.
What are you talking about, every company puts the interest of its shareholders above customers. You’re kidding yourself if you believe otherwise.

 

[Crow_Servo]

I’m actually actively annoyed by people who say they can see the pixels on the XR/11 screen. Are they two inches away from the screen? My eyes get blurry when I’m that close, so I don’t know how you could even get close enough to see the pixels. I call bs.

 

[Drak3]

So you think the 1080p plus models were blurry, and the 1440p Note 9 didn't any better than the 828p XR. OK.

The XR doesn't downscale the final render for the 828p display. Neither does the Note 9. The rendered image and the physical hardware are both at the same resolution.

The Plus models render at 1242x2208 and then downscale it to 1080p. That is what causes any blurriness with the Plus models. I said that in the comment you replied to.

 

[skaertus]

do you think the OLED panel in that $200 phone is going to be the same type of panel Apple would use?
customers maybe be happier but the majority don’t know or care.
What are you talking about, every company puts the interest of its shareholders above customers. You’re kidding yourself if you believe otherwise.

In a certain way, they do. The interests of the company itself are to be pursued above those of the shareholders, employees and customers. Tim Cook puts the immediate interests of current shareholders above all. Under Steve Jobs, Apple did not even pay dividends, and did not adopt a strategy of market segmentation within the same range of products. That of course valued the company’s reputation, which became top-notch. It was in the best interest of the company and, of course, the shareholders, to have such a valuable asset. But Tim Cook seems to think different: to pay dividends and release lower-end products may be profitable in the near term, but may also harm the company in the long term. Anyway, this is not a discussion to have here.

The OLED screen in $200 phones is exactly the same one as found in Samsung A-series phones, which is definitely better than the one in the iPhone XR. I honestly cannot find a difference between the screen of any such intermediate device and the one in an iPhone X/XS. The iPhone 11 Pro and the Samsung S10 may have even better displays now, but those $200 phones are pretty impressive, which means that these screens are cheap enough now to be inside any high end device.

Of course, you are right in the sense that most people will not even care about an OLED display, and will not even know what it means.

 

[ryanwarsaw]

1080p mon should be still very cheap, let's say it is $3 more expensive for Apple to use 1080p screen. I really want an at least 1080p iPhone instead of 720p, so I skip upgrading iPhone again.

$3 * 10 million phones is $30 million. That's money straight out of Tim's bonus.

Tim won't even give you a spare pencil tip that costs 4 cents to make, and you want 1080p from him for less than $1k...

As a shareholder let me assure you that this huge conundrum you are experiencing gives me great pain. The feelings of depression and loneliness must be more than I can imagine. As a shareholder it is my duty to hold Cook accountable for such things. Believe me that we will not let Tim have one waking moment of peace until he rectifies this situation.

The remedy would be IMO we find a way to sell you a new phone that we make more than the three dollars. Now we all know today's $3 isn't worth what next years $3 would be worth so we have to also account for that. So we are going to raise the price of the next phone by $100 just for you. Thanks for waiting out until we can raise prices again with 5G.

Sincerely,

Johnny Appleseed Majority shareholder of AAPL

 

[retta283]

I don't get into these things very often, but just had to chime in for a second year. First, it's not 720p. It's 828p. Second, it is still the Retina standard of 326 PPI. This is higher than any of the iPad Pro models. I don't see people complaining about pixels on those, even if the viewing distance is greater, the noticeable PPI is quite similar. I myself will never be able to tell the difference between an 828p and 1080p res on a phone. My eyesight is too poor.

Now, LCD versus OLED is a more serious debate, as there is a more noticeable difference in appearance and in power usage. But to me, and most average iPhone buyers, a slightly lower quality screen that is not in any way terrible is worth the $300 saved.

 

[aneftp]

I have had cheaper Motorola oled screen. And frankly when the z2force 2. It wasn’t that cheap. Compare that to the $1000 google pixel 3 xl oled i had There is a huge difference in quality brightness etc

so oled quality can vary.

the google pixel 3a oled isn’t as high qualify as the $1000 google pixel 3 xl either. It’s a $400 phone (3a) running slower processor. So google cut corners also.

Apple at least put the lastest A13 processor in the iPhone 11 and a very good camera. The lcd is nice. I had it for 12 days before I sold it. But then again. I sold my pixel 3 xl also. I don’t keep phones long.

no one is everhappy with pricing.

Even if apple put oled 1080p screen in the 6.1 inch iPhone and priced it $450 running A10 processor (equivalent to google pixel 3a processor). People would still bitch and moan. And the A10 professor is still more powerful than the mid range pixel 3a snapdragon professor.

 

[soft99]

Even if there is 1080p for iPhone 12, that would be for my maid.

 

[Elitegate]

Even if there is 1080p for iPhone 12, that would be for my maid.

Fine. Get your 1440p (why not 4K) AMOLED or OLED screen on an Android, why are you even here if you don't like iPhones? 1440p for example only drains the battery more and it has next-to-none visible improvement. 1080p is fine, and so is 828p, atleast on the Xr/11.

Honestly, why did you started this thread? Only to complain? Get what you like, i don't care.

 

[danny842003]

Even if there is 1080p for iPhone 12, that would be for my maid.

Well for us plebs that can’t afford a maid we’re happy with 828p. We’re probably too busy cleaning up after ourselves to really appreciate 1080p

 

[Hieveryone]

Apple wants to try and differentiate it enough from the pro.

so it has to be good enough for those unwilling to spend a thousand bucks and but not so good that people who would buy the pro, buy the eleven instead