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(A) No scalpers b/c of reservation system (already mentioned)
(B) Day-1 buyers are likely to be full-size iPad buyers
(C) iPad Air just came out, drawing all of the must-have-new-apple-thing people out already (including myself).
(D) Holiday shopping hasn't started in earnest yet.

I think Apple did a silent release specifically to create the scenario that's happening. Best case scenario is that everyone who wants an iPad gets one, and with the way things are going, the people that just wanted one so badly probably bought an Air. This leaves the minis for the casual buyers, mostly Christmas shoppers.

Last Christmas I bought an iPad mini for my fiancee and I had to buy it a month in advance because I was worried stock was going to run out long before Christmas. Turned out I was right, and the last minute shoppers missed out. Apple wants to avoid that.
 
Surprised by the people calling craigslisters scalpers and calling markups immoral.

What if I told you apple marks up their own products beyond what they would need to turn a comfortable profit.

Do you really think 16 gb of flash memory is worth $100?

What if I told you every retailer is somehow marking up a product from their costs to turn a profit?

It's no different on Cl. It is supply and demand. If someone has the foresight to purchase ahead of time, good for them. What do you think investment bankers do? Futures traders? Same basic concept. Except there is essentially no risk here, although the ROI is relatively small.
 
Surprised by the people calling craigslisters scalpers and calling markups immoral.

What if I told you apple marks up their own products beyond what they would need to turn a comfortable profit.

Do you really think 16 gb of flash memory is worth $100?

What if I told you every retailer is somehow marking up a product from their costs to turn a profit?

It's no different on Cl. It is supply and demand. If someone has the foresight to purchase ahead of time, good for them. What do you think investment bankers do? Futures traders? Same basic concept. Except there is essentially no risk here, although the ROI is relatively small.

Not really. Apple actually put effort into the desgin and creation of their products. They may be marked up, but they do have costs such as R&D to make up for.

Scalpers are worthless individuals who contribute nothing to the product or purchasing process. They just take advantage of generous parents who want to buy something for their children.
 
Not really. Apple actually put effort into the desgin and creation of their products. They may be marked up, but they do have costs such as R&D to make up for.

Scalpers are worthless individuals who contribute nothing to the product or purchasing process. They just take advantage of generous parents who want to buy something for their children.

Watch Friday all the Playstation 4s that go on ebay and craigslist.
Reading forums it seems over half of the preorders were purchased to flip.
Got a feeling most of those will be returned.

Sites like eBay, Craigslist and stubhub have turned scalping into a business.

Right now there seems to be little demand for over retail cost iPads. Most stores are having to discount them just to sell.
 
Watch Friday all the Playstation 4s that go on ebay and craigslist.
Reading forums it seems over half of the preorders were purchased to flip.
Got a feeling most of those will be returned.

Sites like eBay, Craigslist and stubhub have turned scalping into a business.

Right now there seems to be little demand for over retail cost iPads. Most stores are having to discount them just to sell.

The people who do this with the PS4 are worthless as well. 50 wrongs don't make a right.
 
The people who do this with the PS4 are worthless as well. 50 wrongs don't make a right.

Have you ever done anything you think is wrong in your life? You judge people way too much.
If we didn't have our precious and somewhat pointless devices what would you ever do to care for your children? Again. Stop judging. Immoral worthless individuals should be crimes like murder or rape. Not somebody doing the same thing as business's do. You need to reevaluate what your saying here....
 
Have you ever done anything you think is wrong in your life? You judge people way too much.
If we didn't have our precious and somewhat pointless devices what would you ever do to care for your children? Again. Stop judging. Immoral worthless individuals should be crimes like murder or rape. Not somebody doing the same thing as business's do. You need to reevaluate what your saying here....

At least you're admitting that what you did was wrong. That's a start.
 
Not really. Apple actually put effort into the desgin and creation of their products. They may be marked up, but they do have costs such as R&D to make up for.

Scalpers are worthless individuals who contribute nothing to the product or purchasing process. They just take advantage of generous parents who want to buy something for their children.

lol.

You are a funny guy, comatose.

1. Apple generates hundreds of millions, if not billions in profit every year. Some of that "profit" (as you put it) covers expenses (whatever they may be: R&D, components, marketing, etc.) [but then again, that's not really "profit" in the truest sense of the word as I am using it, that is more overhead] but at the end of the day, they make even more money [real "profit" as I use the word]. And I have no problem with that. Neither should you.

If you think they are breaking even, that probably explains your reductionism of the situation to "scalping."

2. We have relatively free markets that allow for open trading of goods and services. Nearly every commodity you can think of is traded on the market. The iPad is a commodity like anything else that is traded. If you have a problem with the iPad being traded or marked up, then you should also have a problem with rare cars (vintage Ferraris being sold for over $1 million dollars, wherein the current owner had nothing to do with the R&D or building of the Ferrari itself); or any other commodity at that. By your reasoning, we should all hate people reselling their houses at or above market value wherein they did not build the homes themselves. Why should anyone profit when they didn't have anything to do with construction or research right?

3. Not every person missing out on an Apple product is some "innocent and generous" grandparent as you so hyperbolically put it. Don't make me laugh. If I were to use the same sad reasoning, I would say "oh, well these resellers are poor innocent college students that lost their grandparents in a plane crash and are selling ipads to pay for their student loans." Please, save the sap for another fool, and quit relying on sob stories to bolster your otherwise weak argument.

4. If someone is smart enough to see a demand/market for something, complies with all the laws in purchasing and reselling that commodity, and abides by all other rules/regulations, what is the problem? Everyone is on a level playing field when it comes to purchasing these items. Apple limits each person to two units per visit. We all have an opportunity to buy if we want to. It's available online, and in-person even on opening day for those that wait.

No one is precluded from buying an Apple product. Some people are merely more willing to pay more for one to skip a line, or to get one sooner than other outlets make available.

No one is forcing you to buy anything at a certain price, and you have the option of going elsewhere. There are plenty of other outlets available. And if you think that resellers are really having a substantial effect on product availability, I'd like to see that data. Those products would likely have been eaten up by other non-reselling consumers regardless.

So to say that they provide no service at all, is not actually true. They do provide some "service" in the strictest sense of the word. They are actually reserving units available for immediate purchase to those that were too late to preorder, or couldn't wait in line themselves, wherein those units would have gone to other non-reselling consumers and been completely consumed and unavailable for purchase. Don't get me wrong: I am not making them out to be saints or to be acting out of good will or to perform the above stated service. I am speaking merely academically in what role they would play in this economic transaction/economy.

Follow this example:

Scenario 1: Comatose fell asleep and forgot to preorder his ipad. He is too lazy to go to the Apple store and wait in line. He wants to buy one, but unfortunately he passed a law banning anyone from reselling electronics. Apple has completely sold out of ipads, and if he orders one now, he will have to wait 1 month before they start shipping. Comatose is sad because he has no chance to buy an ipad now (because the penalty for "scalping" as he so put it is death, and there is a 100% conviction rate), and will have to wait a month (boo hoo).

Scenario 2: Comatose didn't preorder, and didn't wait in line. Apple, Best Buy, etc. are all sold out until a month later. But luckily in this universe, he also didn't pass that crazy law and people are selling them on CL. Some are at crazy prices, and some are at $50 markups. Comatose strikes a deal, and buys one for $50 above market value. Comatose is happy again, because he bought the ipad at a markup he could afford, and gets to enjoy it immediately instead of waiting 1 month for it to ship. On a side note, some other guy paid $200 above market value just because he is rich, and didn't want to wait. Nice for him, and nice for the seller.

Stop with the sap stories. Worst case scenario is you wait a month.

Even in a case where you can't ever get a product again unless you go through a scalper, who is to say that is wrong? Let me give you a real life example:

I had LASIK surgery, and need eye drops. Every eye drop I have tried stings my eyes, except one: Aquify. This was unfortunately discontinued months ago, and no stores have them in stock any longer. I have looked everywhere, and they are gone. Luckily for me, someone was smart enough to see the opportunity, and bought several cases and put them for sale on ebay. He marked them up, but at a price I was willing to pay for dry eye relief. I bought them, and we both left each other positive feedback. There was another person reselling them at 10x their asking price, and they haven't sold. While I would love to get his inventory, he hasn't committed any crimes. I'll keep buying from cheaper sources until they are unavailable.

Now in your crazy world, without "scalpers" as you erroneously put it, I wouldn't have my eye drops at all.

and lol @ anyone comparing an ipad/iphone to medicine. It's not: it is a luxury good that anyone can do completely without (especially for a month). Also, in the case of medicines, the real example is a pharm company marking up prices in an epidemic. Guess what kids and uneducated adults, there are laws in place that allow the govt to compel those companies to produce those medicines at reduced prices in emergencies.
 
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Have you ever done anything you think is wrong in your life? You judge people way too much.
If we didn't have our precious and somewhat pointless devices what would you ever do to care for your children? Again. Stop judging. Immoral worthless individuals should be crimes like murder or rape. Not somebody doing the same thing as business's do. You need to reevaluate what your saying here....

So you would be fine with it, if it was medicine? Cause you know, he is only doing the same thing as business's do...
 
Sites like eBay, Craigslist and stubhub have turned scalping into a business.

HA. Clearly you are very young. Back in the day when the Internet was just lines of text and academic there were these dolls called "Cabbage Patch Doll." They were THE hottest Xmas gift for girls one year (early 80s). Lines formed making any iPhone camp out look paltry. On the stores open adults ran to the dolls & were literally getting into fist fights over them.

There is no better profit center than a parent needing the #1 Xmas gift for their kid. So where did many of these $30 dolls show up? In the classified section of local newspapers (news printed on actual paper!) across the country... going for 10, 20, even 30x retail price.

Point is scalping is not a child of the Internet. It goes back to biblical days.
 
So you would be fine with it, if it was medicine? Cause you know, he is only doing the same thing as business's do...

It's not medicine... I am not doing this with medicine. Don't understand the comparison. Not a very good one. Try picking something WE can live without and go again.

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Why isn't the iPad mini sold out yet?

cause they have some left still?

Thanks. What will I ever do without you?
 
Blah blah blah for ten paragraphs.

Again, Apple actually designed and manufactured the product. They have earned the right to sell it for a markup.

People don't buy Ferraris and then turn around and sell them for profit two weeks later. They own them for years and then sell them to collectors. They have put effort into caring for them and/or restoring them and also have earned the right to charge a markup for those efforts.

iPad scalpers did absolutely nothing other than have too much time on their hands.
 
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Many employees of stores seem like they aren't even sure they're out yet. I got my rMini yesterday at Best Buy and the employees were convinced they didn't have any, but low and behold, they did.:rolleyes:

This isn't the only reason, but it has to be a part of it.
 
Many employees of stores seem like they aren't even sure they're out yet. I got my rMini yesterday at Best Buy and the employees were convinced they didn't have any, but low and behold, they did.:rolleyes:

This isn't the only reason, but it has to be a part of it.

I think this was all planned on apples side. Coincidence being the same launch as Xbox one and ps4 apple had to do something different(this is the most wanted tablet). Supply constraints might of been the reason. Not many people know about it.
 
It's not medicine... I am not doing this with medicine. Don't understand the comparison. Not a very good one. Try picking something WE can live without and go again.

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Headache pills, birth control pills, bandage, there is tons of stuff more... you can live without those.
 
It's not medicine... I am not doing this with medicine. Don't understand the comparison. Not a very good one. Try picking something WE can live without and go again.

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Headache pills, birth control pills, bandage, there is tons of stuff more... you can live without those.

Sigh... I'm going to sleep
 
Again, Apple actually designed and manufactured the product. They have earned the right to sell it for a markup.

People don't buy Ferraris and then turn around and sell them for profit two weeks later. They own them for years and then sell them to collectors. They have put effort into caring for them and/or restoring them and also have earned the right to charge a markup for those efforts.

iPad scalpers did absolutely nothing other than have too much time on their hands. You can justify it all you want while you burn in hell.

Nice ninja edit, but for those that missed it, here was that brilliant rebuttal.
 
So much anger over something so pointless to stress over. How many of you have hair left?
 
What if I told you every retailer is somehow marking up a product from their costs to turn a profit?

It's no different on Cl. It is supply and demand.
The difference between retailers/manufacturers and scalpers is that the former are providing value in some form. The manufacturers produce the actual product, and the retailers make it available. Scalpers operate by buying up a scarce or limited commodity, thereby further limiting the supply and forcing people to buy through them. They have not added anything of value to the product or the reselling process. If anything, by marking up prices and potentially creating a situation where the buyer can't receive proper support for the product (because they weren't the one who made the purchase from the store - I'm speaking generally, not about Apple products), the scalper has created quite a bit of negative value to the resale process.
 
The difference between retailers/manufacturers and scalpers is that the former are providing value in some form. The manufacturers produce the actual product, and the retailers make it available. Scalpers operate by buying up a scarce or limited commodity, thereby further limiting the supply and forcing people to buy through them. They have not added anything of value to the product or the reselling process. If anything, by marking up prices and potentially creating a situation where the buyer can't receive proper support for the product (because they weren't the one who made the purchase from the store - I'm speaking generally, not about Apple products), the scalper has created quite a bit of negative value to the resale process.

Nobody is forcing these people to buy it this way. If you want one then get them when they are available. If you don't do this then you either wait or find another way of getting it.
My friend offered me 150$ to take my reservation on my ps4. He wants it that day when it comes out. If he wanted it bad enough he would of done research like I did before waiting so long before ordering. He brought up the 150$ and is willing to pay me that (I wasn't even planning on selling). I'm still thinking over this deal...
 
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