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Why no SD slot: you see lies?
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What's the problem? You can always use one of your USB memory sticks you've got lying around... Oh! Wait!
Because I have no need for it so that's one less port to get dust into
https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Ultra-Drive-Type-C-SDDDC2-032G-G46/dp/B01EZ0X23W/ref=dp_ob_title_ce
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Because I have no need for it so that's one less port to get dust into
https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Ultra-Drive-Type-C-SDDDC2-032G-G46/dp/B01EZ0X23W/ref=dp_ob_title_ce
Yes - and how many of those do you have lying around. Furthermore how many iMacs do you have that will accept usb c?
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None, have no need for them
So a non-issue for me really.I was just pointing out that USB-drives exists that actually works without dongles.
Like someone said before, dongles are only required due to not using modern tech in all your devices.
Because I have no need for it so that's one less port to get dust into
https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Ultra-Drive-Type-C-SDDDC2-032G-G46/dp/B01EZ0X23W/ref=dp_ob_title_ce
But if you don't use it there is no disadvantage in a dusty port. After almost a decade of dragging MacBook Pros around I never had the SD port die on me, but maybe I was just lucky.
The Wifi capabilities of current cameras are nothing to write home about in my experience, especially when using mirror less cameras who often have a very high battery consumption already. It will take some time before the camera industry will have sorted those factors out.
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Why would I want a port I don't ever use? :S
With USB-C, every port can be everything, and every port can charge the computer. Literally EVERYTHING is better with having all USB-C ports and removing all other legacy ports. Thank God.
It's not Apple's fault other manufacturers are slow in adopting new technology that have been around for a couple of years already. Personally I'm glad they're forcing evolution. Also, SD-slot is mostly used by photographers which is only 1 type of professional. It's crazy they kept the SD-slot for as long as they did for only 1 group of people, albeit a rather large group.
But sure, I understand those that gets in a pickle in the meantime while the manufacturers are updating to supporting USB-C. But honestly, if you're gonna be mad at someone, be mad at the others for not evolving and adapting to the ever changing world that is technology.
Adapter based solutions are exactly not what I buy Apple for. It used to just work. Adapters are the opposite of simplicity which is one of the core things that define Apple. I agree that if everyone were using the C port it would be easier and that not just one party is to blame but that doesn't excuse putting devices on the market and having the user suffer until the ecosystem is done playing catch up.
Not even Apple's own iPhones can be synced or charged without adapters- no more questions.
You're looking at this completely wrong and just repeating something that went viral and now every hater out there is riffing off. It's BS. Suddenly, the most important thing on a laptop is a card reader, just as the most important thing you can do with a phone is charge it while listening to music.
For those that need the port, they are going to use a small external reader. And some will want use XQD, some UFS, some CompactFlash, only some will use SD cards. Vast majority of people won't use them. So you want to put some cumbersome slot on mu MacBook Pro, even though I will never use it? For example, I don't need an SD port, but I need more USB ports, 2 on the previous models is not enough. So, what's the solution? If there only was some kind of UNIVERSAL PORT so we could all get what we want!
Oh yeah, there is. If only some company would be forward thinking enough to maximise on these ports and give us 4 of these, instead of putting a bunch of different ones.
Oh yeah, there is.
This is a non-issue. This is an issue if you want something to complain about.
And stop it with "multiple adapters" talk. That's not going to happen. No one will have "multiple adapters". You will have one hub with a card reader, or just the card reader. You're going to replace a few cables with new cables. USB-C to micro USB for example, buy a few of these and you'll actually have MORE ports to attach your devices than on previous models.
Not putting a clunky slot that only a few people will use is not just something that doesn't bother objective users - it is actually the prefered choice. Most pro photographer blogs agree - it's not a big deal, they already use readers anyway. The only ones who are bothered by this are people who like to complain.
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Of course you can. Of course.
Just get new frigging cables. What adapters? Seriously, what effing adapters? What more simplicity do you need?
Here, one search on Amazon. It's 12 dollars.
https://www.amazon.com/USB-3-1-Type...id=1478169582&sr=8-4&keywords=lightning+usb-c
There, I just solved your issue with "simplicity that is the core thing that defines Apple". Repeat this step for all your other devices. I bet you can solve this issue for all your devices for, like, $30-40.
Can we realize this is not a problem, or are we still going to make stuff up because, as Louis C. K. says, "everything is amazing but no one is happy"?
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You need a single cable for syncing/charging iPhone with the new MBP, I'm don't see how that's different from today?
Granted, you have to pay for it separately because it's not included in either MBP nor iPhone - that's a bummer - but still not a big inconvenience like you paint it up to be.
No, not the most important thing, but it's one MORE thing lacking from the new model. It's the SUM of all the little things gone or MIA in this release that puts a bad taste in people's mouth -- even Kool Aid for most won't wash it away. A $2400+ laptop should be an end solution not just a starter hub. And even as a starter hub it's limited to 16GB RAM no matter if you buy the base or every top option available. But then it's dongle city. You know why dongles exist? They are a band-aid solution to lazy or poor design, which this MBP is once you get past the pretty touch bar. It's no wonder why Schiller has been having to do so much explaining and PRing since the announcement event.
Dongles exist to customize base design. If you need a specialy port. Let's face it - SD slot is a specialty slot, not needed for most users. Want that - get an adapter. Thunderbolt 3 is the most versatile (and expensive) port there is, and you get four of them. So, it's not poor design, it's outstanding design.
And what do you mean "one more thing lacking"? If you need 32Gb RAM, you're out of luck, true. And Mag Safe was nice. But other than that - this new model is one of the fastest, most practical, easy to carry around piece of powerful hardware in the world. You all act like they made a pretty toy, randomly tossing adjectives like "mediocre CPU", "gimmick", "not true pro" etc. Some of the comments are downright ridiculous - like my personal favorite: "the trackpad is too large" (seriously? too much of a good thing?). I just watched a YouTube video where the reviewer compared the new MBP to HP Spectre and then made a big deal how HP has Kaby Lake (although no one will see any perceivable difference) but then defended the fact that HP had a 1080p display for the same price. And of course, there was no mention of the fastest SSD on the planet in the MacBook Pro. Because we all know that 0.5% faster CPU is more important than screen quality, disk performance, GPU performance, etc. - when our goal is to dis Apple.
You can cry all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that what we have here is most likely one of the best laptops for pro and power users on the market. Good luck with your Dells and HPs.
I've used my SD slot to transfer photos from my camera. Why? Well, not for speed or convenience or anything -- but because the battery on my camera had run down. Why? Because I hardly ever use the danged camera, that's why.
Maybe my next point-n-shoot will have Wifi. That'd be cool. Or maybe I'll be more disciplined and use its cable connection to transfer pics the day I take the pictures instead of waiting for four months.
Will I miss the slot? Frankly, I didn't need it to begin with.
Maybe my next point-n-shoot will have Wifi. That'd be cool. Or maybe I'll be more disciplined and use its cable connection to transfer pics the day I take the pictures instead of waiting for four months.
Will I miss the slot? Frankly, I didn't need it to begin with.
the one time that Apple is pushing for a UNIFIED/UNIVERSAL non-proprietary port people start freaking out...
USB A, HDMI, and SD cards are speciality ports? Got it. BTW are you Schiller's intern or do you do his bidding for free?
All the negatives of the new 15" MBP, a $2400 computer:
1. Requires dongles -- not for legacy devices and peripherals but for current and still ubiquitous ones.
2. RAM restricted to 16GB.
3. Standard entry level storage rolled back to 256GB
4. Magsafe gone, but also, new charging takes up one port, in effect only offering 3 usable ports, a cut back from my 2012 model with a diverse selection, no dongles required for common devices: 2 USB, 2 FW 800, HDMI, and SD slot. Also dongles are expensive, in addition to being a PITA.
5. Keyboard is improved (have tried it next to an original butterfly keyboard) but still is not the same quality as the old keyboard. Apple could have easily left the MBP thickness as-is and kept the old keyboard.
6. Battery life 2 hours less than the previous model.
You clearly have no idea what true power uses need. 16GB RAM is scratching the surface for the need for Photoshop and video editing. There is a reason why Apple showed how emoticons work so great during the demo -- this isn't a pro machine, it's an Air replacement with a "pro" moniker. This isn't just me speaking, that is why Schiller has had to come out and go on defense. I've owned dozens of PowerBooks and MBPs, the new one is the least appealing one to true pros ever released. Again, let's hope Apple does better next round, and also that it doesn't take 18 months.
I do love that people are angry at Apple for not including an SD slot, yet everyone seems fine with the camera industry being stuck on ancient connectivity (often USB 2.0.....for what reason exactly?). WTF is up with that?
I am neither. I say things the way I see them.
For most of these you can just get new cables. USB-A, HDMI and SD card can be solved with one hub until the time comes that you can plug these things directly. Apple is pushing this day to be sooner, and one little hub is not really that much of an inconvenience.
For most users that won't be an issue. Some users will think they need more, but combined with the super-fast SSD, they will realize that 16Gb is plenty. For those that really need 32Gb, they are out of luck. Still, the majority will benefit from a smaller and lighter computer.
Not true. Standard 15" always came with 256Gb, standard 13" with 128Gb. In fact, they increased the space minimum for 13", others remained the same.
True for Magsafe. No one is glad about that. The one charging port can be used up by charging, but a lot of hubs allow the power to go through. Also, attach it to one of those LG screens and get not only charging, but additional ports as well as video out. Basically, there are a lot of ways to use this port for charging and for data at the same time, and more will come.
Your 2012 model didn't have a diverse selection, it had several ports that could be used for one type of device only. The 2012. model didn't have Firewire, perhaps you have an older one. And it's a perfect example. Each port takes space and resources - not only physical space, but also data lanes on the motherboard. I never had a single Firewire device and never will, and yet, I would be forced to buy a computer with a port taking up resources just because you need it. Instead, isn't it better to have universal ports that can be hooked up with anything with a few adapters? You all act like adapters are the end of the world. Why are they a PITA? You throw a few in your laptop bag, big deal. A small price to pay for better ports and pushing the industry forward.
This is your opinion. It is fine and I won't try to change it. For me, the MacBook keyboard (didn't try the one on the pro) is quite fine. And if Apple left the MBP as thick as it was, everyone on these forums and their dog would compare them to Surface Books and Dell XPS' and yell how Apple lost the edge and how Tim Cook should step down.
I wanted it thinner and lighter. A lot of people did. This is 2016. - I want power AND portability.
Previous models all had 10 hours battery life, what are you talking about?
You clearly have no clue what you're saying. I've been a professional in Photoshop for 10 years now. I can guarantee you don't know what you're talking about if you think 16Gb is "scratching the surface for Photoshop". Even for huge files with lots of layers, you can make due with 8Gb. 16Gb is more than enough.
Here is a helpful video.
And before you say it - yes, this was done in the end of 2014. but requirements haven't changed for Photoshop (in fact, because of the rise of Windows tablets with pens, Adobe optimized Photoshop even better)
As you can see, there are severe diminishing returns for more RAM than 8Gb for Photoshop (and it's similar with most programs, for example, Zbrush is still a 32bit program that can't even see more than 4Gb, even though it's an industry standard for working with MILLIONS of polygons). And even when there is some benefit to having more than 16Gb RAM, like in certain video projects, it doesn't prevent anyone from doing serious work - it only makes them a bit slower.
There are certain situations where you really need 32 and even more RAM. Serious rendering projects, running a large number of VM, etc. But these are really in minority and Apple balanced a computer to offer maximum benefit to most, solid solution to a few and a bad solution to a really small number of users.
Of course, there is a huge amount of users who THINK they need 32Gb RAM. But then again, there are people who buy hex-core computers for gaming. People think a lot of things.
You clearly don't know how much RAM is required and follow the rule "more must be better".
Also, while the lack of MagSafe is bad and having to use adapters is a mild inconvenience - you willfuly ignore all the benefits:
1. much better screen
2. much faster hard drive
3. performance increase all around - probably one of the fastest laptops for everything but gaming (wait for benchmarks, you'll be surprised)
4. much better mobility
5. innovative Touch Bar (everyone who tried it agrees it's really good, the only people who claim it's a gimmick are those that didn't even try it)
6. much faster I/O with the largest number of Thunderbolt 3 ports on the market
7. able to run two 5K displays and four (four!) 4K displays. What other laptop can do that?
8. de facto the best trackpad on the market
These are some of the most 'pro' laptops on the market if you ask me. And Schiller didn't have to pay me a dime, because it's the truth.
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The removal of the SD card slot is such a retarded move for a "Pro" machine. I'm a photographer and I have a high-end Sony camera with Wi-Fi the experience to transfer photos is terrible.
I understand for some people here having an SD card slot is not something they would use. Maybe they are not professionals just like some people do not need a super powerful dGPU.
But to say a port is cumbersome? Please... That's such a stupid statement.
If Phill had to comment on this is because he knows this is controversial and will ultimately hurt sales on the PRO side but turns out Apple doesn't make a laptop for Pro users anymore. It's all for consumers.
I understand for some people here having an SD card slot is not something they would use. Maybe they are not professionals just like some people do not need a super powerful dGPU.
But to say a port is cumbersome? Please... That's such a stupid statement.
If Phill had to comment on this is because he knows this is controversial and will ultimately hurt sales on the PRO side but turns out Apple doesn't make a laptop for Pro users anymore. It's all for consumers.
When was the last time you blamed Sony for having awful transfer options? Does that camera have USB 3.0?
Babe this are RAW and 4K video files do you think wireless would work great for those?
Also why didn't Apple sit down and said we are removing this ok. Let's make a Protocol for transferring files that is universal and reliable.
I should trust my PRO computer to accept files right?
Does your camera have usb 3.0? Or is it one of these pro cameras that are still gimped with 2.0 nearly 5 years after 3.0 became the standard...babe.
Louis CK sums it up perfectly.
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Precisely how I feel about USB-C. Don't have a single USB-C device - why would I want USB-C ports?
Wasn't the SD card reader in the last-gen MBPs rather slow anyway?
I think I remember seeing that some of the pricier SD card readers were faster that the built-in one.
I think I remember seeing that some of the pricier SD card readers were faster that the built-in one.