Why so angry?

[boss.king]

If it's not for you it's not for you. Apple is a vision, Samsung is a product. Have fun in the Samsung camp.

I don't want a Samsung. There are other companies you know.

EDIT: Btw, Apple is a company. Samsung is also a company.

This is what I think. Everything is available for Apple to make an amazing redesigned phone. Just a spec upgrade would feel to me like they have not met what they can do. I'm happy to have 1 phone a year or longer just as long as it meets my expectations based on what Apple can do.

Exactly. I've had my 3GS for 2 years now because it fit with what I wanted. I want Apple to pull that off again, to give me a phone I can keep. ryuok doesn't get it, I don't want to leave iOS, I just want Apple to step it up.

 

[thewitt]

In the real world, the iPhone 4 is the single best selling handset in the marketplace. The number 2? The iPhone 3GS.

I think Apple is doing just fine against the competition.

I'm sure they have a solid product strategy without doing anything knee-jerk to put their reliability and stability position at risk.

One of my friends sons bought the latest Samsung phone because the technology was supposed to be leading edge. It's so leading edge it drops nearly every other call and regularly does not receive text messages. Oh and it has to be restarted several times a day AND this is a replacement phone because the first phone only held a charge for two hours...

-t

 

[TonyBaloney]

Many of us don't believe the iPhone 4 is a great phone. Compared to other phones on the market it:

1. Isn't built durably (fragile glass on the front and the back with no bezel to protect the edges -- the most vulnerable spot on tempered glass -- from direct shattering impacts).

2. Isn't comfortable in the hand (square shape doesn't fit curved hands and the glass is slippery, especially in clammy hands)

3. Has documented signal attenuation issues

4. Has a small screen

Consumer Reports wouldn't even recommend the iP4.

So yes, there is some anger that Apple would continue to use the same design.

For future reference, this was the kind of answer I was looking for. I know everybody has their own opinion about iPhone 4. I now know why he really wants an iPhone 5. The end.

 

[jamald]

I won't be the least bit angry. This will be my first real smartphone, and I think the iPhone 4 has a great design. I'd like to see 64GB though.

 

[TonyBaloney]

I will now throw my two cents into the fray. If you really know apple, then for the most part, you know that Apple does what Apple wants to do. Remember multitasking was out for years but was not implemented until iPhone 4 (granted Im glad they did the way they did it; methods on other phones had really sucked before IMO). And the iPhone is their baby. They are so particular about what they put in it. While a new major feature may be sweeping through most competitor phones, Apple doesn't usually hop on board until they themselves are satisfied with its implementation. This is kind of the reason I believe LTE won't be in iPhone until at least iPhone 6. There is just not enough market for it and for now it can be a drain on battery (if it is in the new iPhone then great, but don't be surprised if it isn't). If their is one major feature that I think won't be changed for a long time is the screen size. Apple believes it is the sweet spot for the population. Big enough to see and manipulate what you're doing without getting a tad ridiculous (I think one day they could make divergent XL style iPhones but even then I still feel that is a ways off). And so now this brings me to my point. If Apple fails to put particular features you desire into the iPhone, and these features are present in another phone, then go get that one. This is not meant as an insult. Get what you want. Just don't take it so personally if iPhone you want doesn't come to fruition. I mean this entire conversation kinda makes us all seem so materialistic. Ok thats it I think. The end.

 

[marksman]

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I think most of them think if there is a bigger screen their porn will work better.

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I noticed a trend recently in the forums. A lot of people seem like they would be really pissed if there is no redesigned iPhone 5 announced at the media event. My question is why? A new iPhone is a new iPhone. I would understand if no new iPhone was announced AT ALL. But whats wrong with a 4S? I thought the iPhone 4 was great. The iPhone 4S is simply a better version of an already great phone. Seriously whats with some of these people saying they are going to go to Android or something if there is no iPhone 5? Relax!

A year and a half just to come up with an upgraded SoC unit and RAM sounds too little too late.

A little too late for what?

 

[ryuok]

Many of us don't believe the iPhone 4 is a great phone. Compared to other phones on the market it:

1. Isn't built durably (fragile glass on the front and the back with no bezel to protect the edges -- the most vulnerable spot on tempered glass -- from direct shattering impacts).

iPhone 4 has the best balance between material engineering and durability. Other phones that are more durable look rubbish.

2. Isn't comfortable in the hand (square shape doesn't fit curved hands and the glass is slippery, especially in clammy hands)

Ergonomic is never an Apple thing. Just look at Microsoft's mouses, they are the most ergonomic ones on the market. But I'd buy an Apple mouse on any given day because the minor ergonomic issue is far outweighed by the aesthetics value.

3. Has documented signal attenuation issues

And so are other phones.

4. Has a small screen

Has the best quality screen and the best balance between size and clarity.

Consumer Reports wouldn't even recommend the iP4.

So yes, there is some anger that Apple would continue to use the same design.



And who gives a damn about what Consumer Reports think? Why should a visionary company like Apple be judged by a bunch of visionless editors?

 

[vitzr]

Apple is a vision

Oh my, what Vision do you see?

 

[marksman]

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So if in 2010 Apple had come out with an iPhone 4 that looked exactly like the 3GS/3G, but had improved specs, you would be fine with that?

I honestly wouldn't really care. Because I thought the 3G design was better than the original. If I never saw iPhone 4, then I wouldn't know what I was missing That being said, are you saying that most people that want an iPhone 5 don't really care for the design of the iPhone 4? Because thats a legitimate reason. Its just no one was really saying that.

I think 95% of the people who want a redesign really just want a larger screen. Why they don't just say that I don't know. It makes people come across oddly when they are claiming that because Apple does not redo the least functional and useful part of the phone, the case, they will fall behind.

Again they really want a bigger screen but that won't happen until apple can provide their superior smartphone experience with a bigger screen. In otherwords if an iPhone eventually comes out with a bigger display it will be done right, not just as a means to trick 100k people into buying their phone

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I noticed a trend recently in the forums. A lot of people seem like they would be really pissed if there is no redesigned iPhone 5 announced at the media event. My question is why? A new iPhone is a new iPhone. I would understand if no new iPhone was announced AT ALL. But whats wrong with a 4S? I thought the iPhone 4 was great. The iPhone 4S is simply a better version of an already great phone. Seriously whats with some of these people saying they are going to go to Android or something if there is no iPhone 5? Relax!

Many of us don't believe the iPhone 4 is a great phone. Compared to other phones on the market it:

1. Isn't built durably (fragile glass on the front and the back with no bezel to protect the edges -- the most vulnerable spot on tempered glass -- from direct shattering impacts).

2. Isn't comfortable in the hand (square shape doesn't fit curved hands and the glass is slippery, especially in clammy hands)

3. Has documented signal attenuation issues

4. Has a small screen

Consumer Reports wouldn't even recommend the iP4.

So yes, there is some anger that Apple would continue to use the same design.

You don't even own an iPhone 4 and from your posts you know very little about it and most of what you do know is wrong.

 

[marksman]

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In the real world, the iPhone 4 is the single best selling handset in the marketplace. The number 2? The iPhone 3GS.

I think Apple is doing just fine against the competition.

I'm sure they have a solid product strategy without doing anything knee-jerk to put their reliability and stability position at risk.

One of my friends sons bought the latest Samsung phone because the technology was supposed to be leading edge. It's so leading edge it drops nearly every other call and regularly does not receive text messages. Oh and it has to be restarted several times a day AND this is a replacement phone because the first phone only held a charge for two hours...

-t

Spot on. Too many people seem to not understand the how's and why's of apples success. It does not include throwing a half arsed inferior large screen on a phone just because some android maker who wants to sell 1 million units does it.

That is not how apple works. Since before the iPhone came out people have always rattled off other phones with better "specs" yet all that time apple has always had the best phones. Nothing has changed.

The reason why android makers throw crappy big screens on their phones is because they will try anything to trick people into buying their phone. They are at a loss for how to compete Against an integrated apple/iOS device so they do the only thing they can do to try and differentiate themselves not only from the iPhone but from the commodity android market abd that is slap on the newest hardware as quickly as possible.

Apple has never played that game so it is weird people would expect them to do it now. For those who want the latest hardware slapped on the android commodity phone dujour you have many options with new ones coming weekly.

If you want those upgrades combined with the superior iPhone experience you need to be more patient while they do it right

 

[jimbo1mcm]

Screen size is important

When you look around, the screen size seems to be very important. But you also have to have quality in DPI. I would be a little surprised if Apple keeps the current screen size in the next phone. They can add a better processor and better voice integration, but if they keep the screen the same size I think there will be major disappointment. I feel my IP4 is the best phone out there right now and I expect Apple to keep pushing the technology. If Apple just does a few spec bumps and says, " here it is, take it or leave it", I will be upset.

 

[d0vr]

Here's the thing, it is true that the iPhone 4 is the best selling mobile phone today. But that is today. Unless apple is about to change the release cycle completely, they only release a phone every 12 (to 16 now - though I am under the impression they were aiming to change the release cycle to be in time with Christmas) months.

So if they did release only a 4S, it may be the best phone tomorrow, but where will it sit early next year with mobile phone technology evolving as fast as it is? Apple likes to market themselves as a leading technological company, who always creates revolutionary products, and I'd like to believe them. But they're going to have to step up the game if they want to remain leading in my opinion.

I'm definitely one of those people who wants a bigger screen. I'm constantly having to zoom right in to read websites and keep scrolling left to right. If they can do it on a 4 styled body, great. If not, I guess I'd be wanting a redesign as well

I'd also love to see them introduce 4G AND improve battery life. Then they'd remain on top until the next phone release with no problem. But that's another story.

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One of my friends sons bought the latest Samsung phone because the technology was supposed to be leading edge. It's so leading edge it drops nearly every other call and regularly does not receive text messages.

Is your friend on Vodafone by any chance?

 

[malias4]

I noticed a trend recently in the forums. A lot of people seem like they would be really pissed if there is no redesigned iPhone 5 announced at the media event. My question is why? A new iPhone is a new iPhone. I would understand if no new iPhone was announced AT ALL. But whats wrong with a 4S? I thought the iPhone 4 was great. The iPhone 4S is simply a better version of an already great phone. Seriously whats with some of these people saying they are going to go to Android or something if there is no iPhone 5? Relax!

so after 16 months apple just release a same phone with just better specs?
wow wat a super douper changethey seem to worked very hard , come on man its not like 10 months after iphone 4 its really long time ago!
and what they did till now , they only stolen cydia apps and put them on ios5
great....

 

[The Game 161]

Maybe apple's train of thinking is IOS 5 is the big thing this year and the 4s will just be a spec bump building up to the re-design next year.

 

[Deadpulse]

I'll be happy with a larger screen.

 

[Zeonmx]

If it's not for you it's not for you. Apple is a vision, Samsung is a product..

Seriously, how much is Apple paying you for their propaganda? Because I want some.

 

[navier]

I noticed a trend recently in the forums. A lot of people seem like they would be really pissed if there is no redesigned iPhone 5 announced at the media event. My question is why? A new iPhone is a new iPhone. I would understand if no new iPhone was announced AT ALL. But whats wrong with a 4S? I thought the iPhone 4 was great. The iPhone 4S is simply a better version of an already great phone. Seriously whats with some of these people saying they are going to go to Android or something if there is no iPhone 5? Relax!

I'm with you. It seems the world is turning crazy, and people are pushing it way too far... Common sense people! It's only a product/phone. It probably will be with you at the most 2 years in your whole life.
Think about it. It isn't really that important.

Don't worry. Be happy

 

[dealmaker]

Actually I think the real risk here for Apple is share price!!

If the iPhone 5 actually turns out to be a 4GS - then I don't then think the issue is a mass migration to Android/Samsung etc- I think the real issue will simply become ambivalence - i.e that a LOT of people (me and every iPhone 4 user that I know) will simply go .."MEH".....and won't upgrade their 4 to a 4S - they will wait for the 5/6 !!!

This will devastate Apples upward trajectory of sales and market penetration......they will lose ground and appear weakened from an innovation and market penetration/market share perspective.....

....there quarterly sales numbers (whilst still stellar) will appear poor in a like-for-like comparison against last years iPhone 4 introduction...and questions will start to be asked......

the "analysts" will say "the glory days of Apple are over....its all because Jobs has left" etc etc.......and the share price will fall..........

...the risk then is that this becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.......so I actually think Apple are on VERY dangerous ground here......

.....here's hoping for a 5 !!!

 

[Amnesia87]

I can't speak for anyone else, but I think what is really bothering me is that I really am wanting to get a new multi-core phone... but if the new iPhone is just a spec bump and nothing else, I will be very hesitant to buy knowing that the next iPhone which could come as soon as 6 months later, will be the redesign, with the bigger screen and new profile and all of the other features I want, maybe even A6, AND may even feature LTE.

I can forgive not having LTE... That's a feature I can live without, but I don't want to drop a bunch of cash and burn my upgrade for the same basic phone to have the redesign I want come out 6 months later.

 

[boss.king]

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[Amnesia87]

There won't be a mass migration, it'll be a migration of a handful on unsatisfied users, probably a few thousand. That won't hit Apple very hard. The thing to remember is that Apple's key market is people who don't care what their phone has, they just want it to work, so as long as they don't break anything, a lot of people will happily buy whatever they put out.

Did you actually read the post you quoted?

 

[VulchR]

In my ideal world, there would be two models: a revised iPhone 4s (which has the same form factor as the current iPhone, but has the design optimized to reduce some of the complaints about the phone such as signal attenuation) and an iPhone 5 that has a larger screen. I want the larger screen because my eyesight is not what it once was, and also I have big fingers.

Would I be angry if a larger-screen iPhone 5were not made available? Not really, but I'd sure be frustrated. I have been waiting to upgrade so I could have a faster phone and so I could give my kid my 3GS as a hand-me-down. If only the 4S comes out, then I'd probably take that rather than continuing with the status quo. However, I'd be chagrined if Apple puts out a newer iPhone that more closely matches the form factor I want in the first few months after I purchased the 4S. Finally, I have an interest in seeing Apple succeed, having invested in the Apple ecosystem by buying hardware and software. Thus I want Apple to be healthy. I would be concerned that if Apple only put out a 4S after so many months of potential R&D. The apparent lack of innovation plus the loss of SJ could lead to investors, developers, IT departments and the best Apple employees to lose confidence. This might marginalize the Apple ecosystem in which I have invested, which would be a pain because Apple hardware and software is finally being treated as mainstream in my University.

 

[boss.king]

Did you actually read the post you quoted?

Lol, obviously not well enough I don't actually know what I read to get that response. My bad

 

[wackymacky]

because we all expect Apple to push the boundaries of design and technology. They've had a lot of time to design a new one, and it would suck if only came with minor upgrades.

Push the boundaries? That's over stating a bit. Since when did they do that? They are at times good at picking the market, and get the desgin right a few times that captures the hearts of people.

Apart from way back at the birth of PC's over 25 years back, Apple has not pushed many boundaries.

 

[henchosbandito]

Money

I wonder whether any of this comes down to money. I, like (probably) many others, have managed their phone contracts to attempt to coincide with iPhone releases to make sure we get the best deal we can through subsidy pricing on handsets.

The contract I got for my iPhone 4 (luckily managed to get 12 month contract, which just don't exist any more) has expired and I've been offered superb deals on non iPhone handset contracts with significantly reduced monthly costs and improved minutes/texts/data. The reason I haven't taken them up on this is because back in June, we were all anticipating a new iPhone. So almost 5 months on, we've been excited for an announcement that could possibly mean we've been waiting for a phone that isn't worth an upgrade.

This is why I reckon so many people are annoyed.