Very true - good point. I have 4 contracts (me, wife and two kids) all now ready for upgrade. I probably won't bother on any of these if it's juts an 4GS - will wait for the 5/6 !!
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Very true - good point. I have 4 contracts (me, wife and two kids) all now ready for upgrade. I probably won't bother on any of these if it's juts an 4GS - will wait for the 5/6 !!
Two of my iPhone plans have expired. One is now on prepaid and another on a month to month plan. I'm saving bundles now, and will save even more if I stay like this until a 4 to 4.3 inch screen iPhone come along. May be this is not such a bad thing.
I did, and the GSII is a perfectly fine phone. What's with the 'Go ahead.' bit? Is it supposed to be scary?
The Ford F150 is the best selling car in the US today (and has been for the past 24 years). Do you think it would still be the best selling car if it still used the shell from a 1997 model? Modern underpinnings or not, I don't think so.
The point is, while it may be the best selling phone today, it won't be for long if it looks the same for much longer. That's the truth. People don't want to pay for something that looks the same.
I'm sure this is supposed to be all deep and stuff but at the end of the day it doesn't matter if Apple envisions a sleek phone with a huge screen and a 6GHz octo-core processor while maintaining a year long battery life. If it doesn't exist, their competitors will get the business (y'know, since they actually have a product for sale). Have fun in the Apple vision camp, I guess?
This is probably what I will do if there is no redesign to be honest. Theres nothing wrong with my iPhone 4 so no reason to upgrade contract. Either that or accept a reduced-cost contract with free Android handset.
Just for the heck of it.
I agree dealmaker. I will be pissed because Apple drug out a change they could have easily made a year ago, but at least on the mid year schedule. I've hung on to my obsolete 3GS waiting for a new model iPhone that matches the competition and eliminates the antennae problem.
Those of you who say just go get a Sammy...I'm out the door this AM to look at the Galaxy S 2 that I have not paid close attention to until now because I was expecting Apple to show us something new. I won't buy until tomorrow when I see the Apple offering because I really would prefer to stay with Apple at this point.
I know some of you fanboys will be smarta$$ but I don't think I'm alone here. If it's a 4S, Apple will get a message both on phone sales and stock price expectations. If they do a 4S only it will prove they have lost touch. I expect they have.
Those of you who say just go get a Sammy...I'm out the door this AM to look at the Galaxy S 2 that I have not paid close attention to until now because I was expecting Apple to show us something new. I won't buy until tomorrow when I see the Apple offering because I really would prefer to stay with Apple at this point.
I know some of you fanboys will be smarta$$ but I don't think I'm alone here. If it's a 4S, Apple will get a message both on phone sales and stock price expectations. If they do a 4S only it will prove they have lost touch. I expect they have.
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Which makes no sense. The 4s will be a significant upgrade so your position is illogical.
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Which makes no sense. The 4s will be a significant upgrade so your position is illogical.
Nice sweeping statement.
Actually, no, my position is not illogical. Its logical that based on rumours we have already heard - a processor upgrade and voice assistant - I would decide that I have no need to upgrade since I don't require these features. Especially since it will cost in the range of hundreds of pounds to gain these features.
It would be illogical to spank money on an upgrade that has no benefit for ME. I bet many others feel the same even though you might not.
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The 4s will be the #1 or #2 selling smartphone of 2012. Take that to the bank.
You guys act like there is some cohesive integrated challenger coming after apple. Instead it is just the same android commodity market poop flingers cranking out handsets as fast as possible without any real longterm plan or usability.
Some of you think apple will lose out because they don't half arsed tack on a bigger screen like the dime-a-dozen android handsets.
There will still only be one choice for those who want the superior smartphone experience. Apple will make changes when they can do it right and Mai tain their high quality of standards. None of the android handset makers have these same high standards.
Some of you think this will cause apple to fall behind but you are 100% wrong. That careful deliberation, consideration of the big picture and their high standards are why apple dominates the smartphone marketplace.
Again if you have to get the feature du jour combined with a subpar os then wade into the android commodity pool. If you want the best possible smartphone ecperience bar none, take a look at the 4S. 10s upon 10s of millions of other people will.
djdover said:Here's the thing, it is true that the iPhone 4 is the best selling mobile phone today. But that is today. Unless apple is about to change the release cycle completely, they only release a phone every 12 (to 16 now - though I am under the impression they were aiming to change the release cycle to be in time with Christmas) months.
So if they did release only a 4S, it may be the best phone tomorrow, but where will it sit early next year with mobile phone technology evolving as fast as it is? Apple likes to market themselves as a leading technological company, who always creates revolutionary products, and I'd like to believe them. But they're going to have to step up the game if they want to remain leading in my opinion.
I'm definitely one of those people who wants a bigger screen. I'm constantly having to zoom right in to read websites and keep scrolling left to right. If they can do it on a 4 styled body, great. If not, I guess I'd be wanting a redesign as well
I'd also love to see them introduce 4G AND improve battery life. Then they'd remain on top until the next phone release with no problem. But that's another story.
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Is your friend on Vodafone by any chance?
The 4s will be the #1 or #2 selling smartphone of 2012. Take that to the bank.
You guys act like there is some cohesive integrated challenger coming after apple. Instead it is just the same android commodity market poop flingers cranking out handsets as fast as possible without any real longterm plan or usability.
Some of you think apple will lose out because they don't half arsed tack on a bigger screen like the dime-a-dozen android handsets.
There will still only be one choice for those who want the superior smartphone experience. Apple will make changes when they can do it right and Mai tain their high quality of standards. None of the android handset makers have these same high standards.
Some of you think this will cause apple to fall behind but you are 100% wrong. That careful deliberation, consideration of the big picture and their high standards are why apple dominates the smartphone marketplace.
Again if you have to get the feature du jour combined with a subpar os then wade into the android commodity pool. If you want the best possible smartphone ecperience bar none, take a look at the 4S. 10s upon 10s of millions of other people will.
Ever heard of the iPhone? That was a pretty big push of the boundaries or what phones used to do.
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You act like the public at large understand that there is no longterm plan for these new fan dangled phones. They just see bigger numbers and go ooohh shiny.
This is utter dross. Give me 3 good reasons why you think the phone needed to be redesigned? I mean... redesigning for redesigning sake? I can't see anything on the Android phone market that is exactly amazingly compelling.
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Ever heard of the iPhone? That was a pretty big push of the boundaries or what phones used to do.
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You act like the public at large understand that there is no longterm plan for these new fan dangled phones. They just see bigger numbers and go ooohh shiny.
Agreed here. The things people are screaming out for on this forum, are things that are only going to be a temporary hit. Bigger screen? Different case? Meh. 5 minutes later another Android phone comes out with a bigger screen, and bigger case. Play at that game, and it's a losing battle.
The 3G design has lasted 3 years. 3 Years! point to any Android phone that has had a design that has been identical for the same amount of time.
Apple aren't as stupid as the spoilt teenagers that need that short-term hit where they can flash to their friends 'the latest and greatest'.
As they say elsewhere..... There's no point having bigger inches, if you're not using them.
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We're also forgetting that Apple are going to be marketing their devices on more than just the iPhone. There's the phone, and then there's iCloud. I think you're forgetting that people actually use these phones to 'do things'.
Just wait and see what comes out with iCloud. I'm willing to lay down cash that the next 12 months will see a huge marketing push for the iCloud service.
I will buy the iP5 just as soon as I can get my hands on it. If there is no iP5, I would buy the 4S in a heartbeat!
Just a faster processor will make the iPhone much nicer to use!
What you have is a bunch of very spoiled brats here, average age of 16-21 who's world revolves around the iPhone. This tells me that most are not out in the REAL world, working and trying to support a family or even themselves!
It will not matter what Apple delivers as many will STILL not be happy.
Just a faster processor will make the iPhone much nicer to use!
What you have is a bunch of very spoiled brats here, average age of 16-21 who's world revolves around the iPhone. This tells me that most are not out in the REAL world, working and trying to support a family or even themselves!
It will not matter what Apple delivers as many will STILL not be happy.
I will buy the iP5 just as soon as I can get my hands on it. If there is no iP5, I would buy the 4S in a heartbeat!
Just a faster processor will make the iPhone much nicer to use!
What you have is a bunch of very spoiled brats here, average age of 16-21 who's world revolves around the iPhone. This tells me that most are not out in the REAL world, working and trying to support a family or even themselves!
It will not matter what Apple delivers as many will STILL not be happy.
Agreed. They just want a cheap and fast way to show their friends they have a new phone... The latest and greatest... And that fades within a month.
Very bad assumption.
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What you have is a bunch of very spoiled brats here, average age of 16-21 who's world revolves around the iPhone. This tells me that most are not out in the REAL world, working and trying to support a family or even themselves!
It will not matter what Apple delivers as many will STILL not be happy.
Very bad assumptions.
There are people who genuinely find bigger screen more useable.
A better camera and a faster processor are just some of the features the android phones have already had for a long time among many other features.
Maybe people (including myself) will change their tune once iOS 5 comes out and realise that an iPhone 4S is a better choice to run it.
After all, the software is the real key differentiator in the mobile market at the moment. Some Android handsets are pretty good but Android OS isn't a patch on iOS.
After all, the software is the real key differentiator in the mobile market at the moment. Some Android handsets are pretty good but Android OS isn't a patch on iOS.
The way I see it is like this....
If it really is a 4S, same form factor and bumped specs Apple is sending the message that SHELL revisions are every two years, spec updates in the middle.
2G - original
3G - updated (expected now that the cat was out of the bag so to speak)
3GS - updated innards
4 - redesign
4S - updated innards
5- redesign
5S - updated innards
So if you are going to insist on upgrading every year you will be disappointed 1/2 the years by my way of thinking.
It is what it is.... Want to chase the latest - go elsewhere.
I, and others are chastised for buying our 4's "recently" (mine was mid-July). But in my case, I needed a PHONE, I chose from the optiions and got what worked for me, knowing full well a new one was around the corner. It was a massive update over my Treo 755p, heck, it even has data!
Those of you jumping 3GS to 4S might not be getting a bigger screen, but man will the speed jump be huge (my dad has a 3GS and 3G). You set the sights for something bigger with the 5 by skipping a generation.... But you jumped on at the wrong time.
And maybe the 5 was supposed to be out now.... Who knows.
Meanwhile, just do what is best for you and your NEEDS....
If it really is a 4S, same form factor and bumped specs Apple is sending the message that SHELL revisions are every two years, spec updates in the middle.
2G - original
3G - updated (expected now that the cat was out of the bag so to speak)
3GS - updated innards
4 - redesign
4S - updated innards
5- redesign
5S - updated innards
So if you are going to insist on upgrading every year you will be disappointed 1/2 the years by my way of thinking.
It is what it is.... Want to chase the latest - go elsewhere.
I, and others are chastised for buying our 4's "recently" (mine was mid-July). But in my case, I needed a PHONE, I chose from the optiions and got what worked for me, knowing full well a new one was around the corner. It was a massive update over my Treo 755p, heck, it even has data!
Those of you jumping 3GS to 4S might not be getting a bigger screen, but man will the speed jump be huge (my dad has a 3GS and 3G). You set the sights for something bigger with the 5 by skipping a generation.... But you jumped on at the wrong time.
And maybe the 5 was supposed to be out now.... Who knows.
Meanwhile, just do what is best for you and your NEEDS....
I've been reading a lot of iphone 4 owners saying the same "if it's not a complete redesign I'm buying *enter another phone here*"
why? you already have an iPhone 4 just keep the iPhone 4 chances are you got it on contract and are locked into a 24month contract anyway, the world isn't going to implode just cause you don't have the latest iPhone you know.
why? you already have an iPhone 4 just keep the iPhone 4 chances are you got it on contract and are locked into a 24month contract anyway, the world isn't going to implode just cause you don't have the latest iPhone you know.
One thing's for sure. Steve Jobs could get up there and polish a turn and people called it 'revolutionary' and bought millions.
Mr. Cook won't have the same forgiving fan base and starry eyed reporters. I hope Apple gets a good dose of reality for only spec bumping their 15 month old phone.
Mr. Cook won't have the same forgiving fan base and starry eyed reporters. I hope Apple gets a good dose of reality for only spec bumping their 15 month old phone.
+1 I'm willing to bet that will happen if they call it 4S but if it's the exact same spec bump but called iphone 5 it will be considered "revolutionary."
As has been said elsewhere though the big news from Apple this year is ios 5 and icloud.
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It's easy to get caught in the bubble but there are probably a few dozen on these forums clamouring for a larger screen and willing to accept nothing less, a somewhat larger minority who would probably buy a new format iPhone but can wait and the rest who probably really don't care. These are of course a tiny minority of the millions worldwide who own an iPhone.
Despite the "tiny" screen, they are still flying off the shelves and so I don't expect Apple are really that bothered about the small minority who want a larger screen.
Myself? I expect that the 4S will have a couple of new features along with those already rumoured which, in combination with iCloud, will be very compelling. They will also, no doubt, be reducing the cost.
I just don't hear my friends who have an iPhone, or who want one, clamouring for a larger screen.
Most people in the world have better things to spend their limited money on than upgrading their phone every 12 months. For those who want to, then great ... That's your decision...but please don't stay thinking that you are the majority
It's easy to get caught in the bubble but there are probably a few dozen on these forums clamouring for a larger screen and willing to accept nothing less, a somewhat larger minority who would probably buy a new format iPhone but can wait and the rest who probably really don't care. These are of course a tiny minority of the millions worldwide who own an iPhone.
Despite the "tiny" screen, they are still flying off the shelves and so I don't expect Apple are really that bothered about the small minority who want a larger screen.
Myself? I expect that the 4S will have a couple of new features along with those already rumoured which, in combination with iCloud, will be very compelling. They will also, no doubt, be reducing the cost.
I just don't hear my friends who have an iPhone, or who want one, clamouring for a larger screen.
Most people in the world have better things to spend their limited money on than upgrading their phone every 12 months. For those who want to, then great ... That's your decision...but please don't stay thinking that you are the majority
+1 I'm willing to bet that will happen if they call it 4S but if it's the exact same spec bump but called iphone 5 it will be considered "revolutionary."
As has been said elsewhere though the big news from Apple this year is ios 5 and icloud.
Maybe 'magical'?