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I don’t really know anyone who plans on buying a new iPhone for a while. They all seemed to have panic brought the iPhone 16 or 16 Pro with all the tariff scares, so they won’t be getting another phone for 3-4 years.

At this point no one needs to upgrade phones annually. The people who do upgrade annually, mainly do it as a hobby, in the same way someone might collect cars, wine, baseball cards, etc.
 
I realize that trying to engage with you on a logical level is a fool's errand, but here goes one example of where you completely misunderstand possible reasons for buying the rumored 17, and a conclusion that comes from your misunderstanding:

Features like 4k 120ips are cool since you can enjoy this on your tv... tho 8k is a lot heavier and you cannot enjoy unless you have an 8k tv.

People often record video in 4K and above to have a large file that allows them a lot of options, such as cropping and slow zooming (digitally imitating the look of a dolly), expanded options for exposure and color grading in post, etc. It provides a larger file to work with.

So your assumption that the reason people would want 4K or more because of the size of their television is a mistaken assumption based on your lack of knowledge of the subject. You think you know things that you do not.

It's likely your reply will be along the lines of "if people want a 'real' camera they will buy one." You've already handwaved away the possibility that people who want better quality files from their phones would want to upgrade, and that instead they should buy a dedicated camera in other posts in this thread, so you've already told us you feel that way.

Real commercial movies - and many videos - have been made by professionals with iPhones. MR often posts stories about them. So clearly these are tools that can be used for such work, whether you want to recognize that or not. What's that saying about facts not caring about your feelings? Yes, that.

Here's the conclusion about the point I just made: People will buy (or not) a device based on their needs and wants. Not yours. Trying to convince others that their needs and wants are insufficient because they don't meet your standards is a kind of verbal bullying. This entire thread goes beyond simple advice (which no one asked you for - you started this thread) as you've told others how wrong they are in their personal decisions. It's offensive.
 
You asked why people were upgrading.

I answered that question, which has been the same answer I've given for every upgrade I've made since 2008 when I upgraded my original iPhone to the 3G.

I will pre-order a 17 Pro Max (or whatever it's called this year) on September 12th and look forward to unboxing it on September 19th, and will absolutely appreciate my new device for the year I have it.

It sounds like you're more interested in trying to convince people they don't enjoy the things they enjoy, which is a fool's errand. I upgrade for the reasons stated because those things are of value to me. They won't be of value to everyone, and that's fine, but they are to me (and many others, apparently), ergo I upgrade.
Well with a possible 200$ upgrade, I wonder why people are upgrading… then people don’t have a lot of money and it’s less fun in everything in the life.
 
I realize that trying to engage with you on a logical level is a fool's errand, but here goes one example of where you completely misunderstand possible reasons for buying the rumored 17, and a conclusion that comes from your misunderstanding:



People often record video in 4K and above to have a large file that allows them a lot of options, such as cropping and slow zooming (digitally imitating the look of a dolly), expanded options for exposure and color grading in post, etc. It provides a larger file to work with.

So your assumption that the reason people would want 4K or more because of the size of their television is a mistaken assumption based on your lack of knowledge of the subject. You think you know things that you do not.

It's likely your reply will be along the lines of "if people want a 'real' camera they will buy one." You've already handwaved away the possibility that people who want better quality files from their phones would want to upgrade, and that instead they should buy a dedicated camera in other posts in this thread, so you've already told us you feel that way.

Real commercial movies - and many videos - have been made by professionals with iPhones. MR often posts stories about them. So clearly these are tools that can be used for such work, whether you want to recognize that or not. What's that saying about facts not caring about your feelings? Yes, that.

Here's the conclusion about the point I just made: People will buy (or not) a device based on their needs and wants. Not yours. Trying to convince others that their needs and wants are insufficient because they don't meet your standards is a kind of verbal bullying. This entire thread goes beyond simple advice (which no one asked you for - you started this thread) as you've told others how wrong they are in their personal decisions. It's offensive.
If pro use 8k it’s cool for them, but I’m asking to the community here.
 
Dude. The El Capitan Supercomputer, the most powerful computer in the USA, can’t run Final Cut Pro or Xcode….

Good luck convincing anyone that it must, therefore, not be a computer…
Well it can probably run similar programs, exclusive programs or something… This thing is made for something, the iPhone is not made for superpower so yeah you can have a lot but it will be hard to enjoy it now.
 
I don’t really know anyone who plans on buying a new iPhone for a while. They all seemed to have panic brought the iPhone 16 or 16 Pro with all the tariff scares, so they won’t be getting another phone for 3-4 years.

At this point no one needs to upgrade phones annually. The people who do upgrade annually, mainly do it as a hobby, in the same way someone might collect cars, wine, baseball cards, etc.

I mean, we’ll know for sure shortly, but it seems like there’s going to be a ton of folks upgrading.
 
I don’t really know anyone who plans on buying a new iPhone for a while. They all seemed to have panic brought the iPhone 16 or 16 Pro with all the tariff scares, so they won’t be getting another phone for 3-4 years.

At this point no one needs to upgrade phones annually. The people who do upgrade annually, mainly do it as a hobby, in the same way someone might collect cars, wine, baseball cards, etc.
Sorry but suggesting what others need ["no one needs to upgrade phones annually"] is simply wrong, because you obviously do not know what others need. You do not even remotely comprehend what my iPhone workflow is, for instance. So how could you possibly define what I need? Or what others need? You cannot; not even close. At least not without the resources and worldwide access that Apple has.

Claiming "The people who do upgrade annually, mainly do it as a hobby" is worse than absurd. Tens of or hundreds of millions of iPhone users are adults that do real work with their phones. Annually upgrading costs less than half what a small black coffee would cost at Starbucks every day, so it only takes tiny improvements in the ability to do real work to make annual upgrades cost effective. For those of us using iPhone cameras in our work, for instance, the iPhone Pro improvements have way more than paid for themselves each year for the past few years.
 
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There are over a billion active iPhone users even as we speak. Even if people upgrade once every 4 years, you are talking about over 200 million phones sold every year. At this point, motivations don’t really matter. There’s going to be a huge number of used buying a new iPhone each year out of habit alone and for Apple, it’s probably more about maintaining their supply chain more than anything else.
 
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I mean, we’ll know for sure shortly, but it seems like there’s going to be a ton of folks upgrading.

I saw that article!

I was very surprised, considering all the articles we got earlier, about the record number of iPhone sales this Spring.

And on top of that, over the last 5-year span, only about 25% of users have upgraded annually…but apparently the iPhone 17 is supposed to be some super upgrade cycle? Something just isn’t adding up…

(But yes, we will find out soon!)
 
Sorry but suggesting what others need ["no one needs to upgrade phones annually"] is simply wrong, because you obviously do not know what others need. You do not even remotely comprehend what my iPhone workflow is, for instance. So how could you possibly define what I need? Or what others need? You cannot; not even close. At least not without the resources and worldwide access that Apple has.

Claiming "The people who do upgrade annually, mainly do it as a hobby" is worse than absurd. Tens of or hundreds of millions of iPhone users are adults that do real work with their phones. Annually upgrading costs less than half what a small black coffee would cost at Starbucks every day, so it only takes tiny improvements in the ability to do real work to make annual upgrades cost effective. For those of us using iPhone cameras in our work, for instance, the iPhone Pro improvements have way more than paid for themselves each year for the past few years.

Que the righteous indignation of edge cases! Obviously, we are talking generalizations here. With 1.5 billion iPhone users, your thousands or millions does in fact represent an edge case…and I can think of hundreds or thousands of different edge cases. But when talking about general trends, it is OK to talk about, well general trends!

As for “need”. Nope, if for whatever reason you couldn’t upgrade this year, you could still get all of your “adult real work” done on your year old phone. Would it be less profitable? Perhaps (you would know that better then me), but lets not pretend that “it is logical to upgrade” is the same as “I need to upgrade”…as if you would go out of business and end up homeless on the streets, unable to contact any family or friends for help, if you didn’t upgrade…

“Need” has a very specific definition, and it doesn’t mean “prudent”, “smart”, “logical”, “ideal”, etc etc etc

(Now if you are a full time tech reviewer, who for whatever reason doesn’t get review devices, and who actually would go out of business if you didn’t get a new phone…well my apologies. But again, we are talking generalizations here, and we can argue over if getting a review phone counts as a personal upgrade 😛)
 
It will be a good change.I change phones only every 4-5 years. As it should be. I wish I could go longer. My record is 6 years. Its insane with people changing every year. Now from iphone 13 to 17 pro.

Would you change your car or even any house appliances every year? No you would not. So its crazy how some have the urge to change every year
 
It will be a good change.I change phones only every 4-5 years. As it should be. I wish I could go longer. My record is 6 years. Its insane with people changing every year. Now from iphone 13 to 17 pro.

Would you change your car or even any house appliances every year? No you would not. So its crazy how some have the urge to change every year
I change my car about every ten years, my household appliances as needed, my iPhone annually and my socks daily. I really have no opinion what others do as long as they’re happy.
 
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