Will 2GB of RAM to be iPhone 6 Plus only feature?

[sunking101]

Well, that's a bit different since larger storage options are still available and the consumer can decide. In case of something like RAM there are no options, just what's there for everyone.

If Apple continue to be stingy with RAM then they should allow people to specify additional RAM at a cost. The only reason I'll be trading my 6+ this year is insufficient RAM, otherwise I would wait for the iPhone 7. I feel cheated after laying out so much £££ only seven months ago. All for a measly couple of bucks of RAM.

 

[terraphantm]

Well, that's a bit different since larger storage options are still available and the consumer can decide. In case of something like RAM there are no options, just what's there for everyone.

True, but they're similar in that bumping the base storage without bumping the cost (which Apple used to do) doesn't hurt anything, but there are some folks who are really against it for god knows what reason

 

[C DM]

True, but they're similar in that bumping the base storage without bumping the cost (which Apple used to do) doesn't hurt anything, but there are some folks who are really against it for god knows what reason

In a sense yes. But Apple can make more money leaving 16 GB and then offering 64 GB as the next option with more people opting for that. Increasing RAM in all devices doesn't really bring more money in for Apple. I'm not saying that's good or anything just different enough.

 

[Technarchy]

Amazing. You are saying that almost 90% of the iPhone users are ignorant and you are one of the gifted ones.

That's not what I said...That's what CDM said

...the vast majority of typical customers don't even know what RAM is ...

So because those people are ignorant and buy without being informed, I should not boycott iPhones until Apple stops selling RAM starved iPhones?

No, I will not let the majority and/or the ignorant somehow convince me that iPhones don't have a RAM problem because they are low information consumers.

 

[adamhenry]

That's not what I said...That's what CDM said



So because those people are ignorant and buy without being informed, I should not boycott iPhones until Apple stops selling RAM starved iPhones?

No, I will not let the majority and/or the ignorant somehow convince me that iPhones don't have a RAM problem because they are low information consumers.

If you could convince 999 people to boycott Apple with you, Apple wouldn't have any clue that you and your friends even existed. What's the point?

 

[bhayes444]

It is called sarcasm and it obviously went over your head. I have read dozens of reviews before I bought my iPhone and the reason I changed from Android to Apple is because so many websites called it the best on the market.

I am saying that they are not using their phone properly because user reviews on Amazon show that almost 90% of the iPhone 6 users give it a four or five star rating. Those are the people who are using their phone properly. Only 7% give it a one star and some of them are not using it properly. Every phone has built in limitations and if you use the phone beyond it's limitations then it won't work properly. That is why I laugh at the multitaskers complaining. There is nothing wrong with the phone, the problem is the way they are using it.

I really don't know what sarcasm you're referring to. If it went over my head as you allude to, then what good did it do?

So, what you're saying is that since other people review it highly it must have nothing wrong with it? The Moto G also has 90% positive feedback on Amazon, but it has a very poor camera experience. Would you suggest people not take pictures with it even though the camera is stuck to the back of the phone? Just because the average person thinks a product is good does not mean that it performs as advertised. To top that off, is there any indication that these people were in any way a random sampling of iPhone users to more adequately gauge their satisfaction with the device. For all intents and purposes a good portion of them could've been using iPhone 4 devices on ios7 before jumping to the 6/6+. Their experience is going to be quite positive, aside from possible size issues, in regards to the new device. There is no way to say that the 90% of positive experiences, as you've quoted, are statistically significant at all; making that metric even less credible than it already is.

Plain and simple the devices are advertised as being able to effectively multitask, and they do accomplish this feat, but can struggle while doing so. I don't understand how using a phone within it's advertised design parameters is not using it properly, according to your insane logic. Sure, these phones perform single tasks marvelously, but we are told they can do more than that. There is nothing being done on these phones that is out of the ordinary, they just don't work as well as they could if given appropriate hardware for their advertised capabilities.

 

[maxsix]

I've been monitoring the rumors across the web closely and ram aside, it does seem like this upcoming model will have very few improvements. That's not a knock on Apple, after all they're tasked with making maximum profits.

It's one of Apple's strengths. They brilliantly spin the marketing dialog to get people thinking there's more to it than there actually is. Plus Apple's never one to disclose specs clearly anyway. Sleight of hand is a core strength, factor in that they're the master of the supply and demand game, proving time after time that they can command hefty prices and laugh all the way to the bank.

Apple is the only company I know of that has followers that boast about how much money the company makes off of them. An amazing accomplishment on Apple's part.

 

[bhayes444]

If you could convince 999 people to boycott Apple with you, Apple wouldn't have any clue that you and your friends even existed. What's the point?

Well, that would be almost $100k in lost sales, not insignificant. But, the point is that consumers do have power in the market. Assuming that one person won't make a difference is logical, but if even 10% of the market feels the same way he does then that is a ton of lost revenue for Apple, and they will eventually try to tap into that. Just going with the flow, and not feeling like your opinions matter is how sheeple are formed. It gives power to the big players in the market and encourages them to be less innovative. Granted Apple is the only iOS OEM, so they have a monopoly of sorts, but that shouldn't discourage you. A way of boycotting them could just be to not buy their newer devices and use your older one until something that fits your wants come out. Or, you could buy used iPhones only so Apple won't have a new sell from you. Apple's goal is to increase sales year over year, and until they don't do that they won't do more innovation than they have too.

 

[C DM]

That's not what I said...That's what CDM said



So because those people are ignorant and buy without being informed, I should not boycott iPhones until Apple stops selling RAM starved iPhones?

No, I will not let the majority and/or the ignorant somehow convince me that iPhones don't have a RAM problem because they are low information consumers.

I'm saying because of that your boycott would be meaningless. You can do anything you want but it won't result in anything.

 

[adamhenry]

Well, that would be almost $100k in lost sales, not insignificant

That is incorrect. $100K is insignificant in this case.

 

[C DM]

Well, that would be almost $100k in lost sales, not insignificant. But, the point is that consumers do have power in the market. Assuming that one person won't make a difference is logical, but if even 10% of the market feels the same way he does then that is a ton of lost revenue for Apple, and they will eventually try to tap into that. Just going with the flow, and not feeling like your opinions matter is how sheeple are formed. It gives power to the big players in the market and encourages them to be less innovative. Granted Apple is the only iOS OEM, so they have a monopoly of sorts, but that shouldn't discourage you. A way of boycotting them could just be to not buy their newer devices and use your older one until something that fits your wants come out. Or, you could buy used iPhones only so Apple won't have a new sell from you. Apple's goal is to increase sales year over year, and until they don't do that they won't do more innovation than they have too.

The point is that even 1% of the market wouldn't end up doing that even if you got al your friends and their friends to do it. That's the unfortunate reality. It's nice to think that something could be done, but it would take proportions of many multiples more than one can even think might optimistically be realistic for it to have a noticeable enough effect that someone might even think of looking into it let alone actually try to do something about it. The reality is that the typical users who don't know any better and/or don't care outweigh all those that might by that much.

 

[adamhenry]

In the three months of Q2 2015, Apple sold an incredible 61 million iPhones.

From: http://thenextweb.com/apple/2015/04/27/apple-sells-tons-of-iphones/

 

[bhayes444]

The point is that even 1% of the market wouldn't end up doing that even if you got al your friends and their friends to do it. That's the unfortunate reality. It's nice to think that something could be done, but it would take proportions of many multiples more than one can even think might optimistically be realistic for it to have a noticeable enough effect that someone might even think of looking into it let alone actually try to do something about it. The reality is that the typical users who don't know any better and/or don't care outweigh all those that might by that much.

I know that's true, I was more or less trying to say that if everybody who felt the same way he did (which is probably quite a few) acted how they felt was right, versus just giving up hope, then they would collectively make a difference. Just getting a group of people together doesn't necessarily do much, but if a bunch of others have the same idea, well then that is how change occurs.

 

[C DM]

Well, in sales reports it isn't significant. But, if they wanted to redesign a store or purchase some new

I know that's true, I was more or less trying to say that if everybody who felt the same way he did (which is probably quite a few) acted how they felt was right, versus just giving up hope, then they would collectively make a difference. Just getting a group of people together doesn't necessarily do much, but if a bunch of others have the same idea, well then that is how change occurs.

Unfortunately even if everyone who felt the same way got together and did something (and that's already something that is almost completely unrealistic) it would still more than likely be a small enough sub-group of consumers that the effects won't really be felt to enough of a degree to matter.

It would take something that would be much more sensational and would have the potential to cross into the meanstream and spread to even have a chance, and something like this is simply not that. It's just the unfortunate reality of really popular and widespread products/services.

 

[ABC5S]

I've been monitoring the rumors across the web closely and ram aside, it does seem like this upcoming model will have very few improvements. That's not a knock on Apple, after all they're tasked with making maximum profits.

Sites I've visited suggest other wise.

A9 Processor
2 GB or ram
Force touch
Better front facing camera
Better rear facing camera
Better less bending prone casing
Improved SIRI
Improved Touch ID

https://www.macrumors.com/roundup/iphone-6s/

http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/iphone-6s-news/

 

[iterva]

Apps that use more ram because they're poorly designed and have a huge overhead.

This is the reason i keep on coming back to iPhones, the app design (UX/UI), not with open arms and leaps of joy, but out of "necessity" even tho the refresh/ram issue makes the iPhone far from being the best hardware out there. Not even gonna start about the random springboard reboot thats been around since 8.0 on my iP6..

I am saying that they are not using their phone properly because user reviews on Amazon show that almost 90% of the iPhone 6 users give it a four or five star rating. Those are the people who are using their phone properly. Only 7% give it a one star and some of them are not using it properly. Every phone has built in limitations and if you use the phone beyond it's limitations then it won't work properly. That is why I laugh at the multitaskers complaining. There is nothing wrong with the phone, the problem is the way they are using it.

So when i want to use my iPhone with Tapatalk and lets say, safari browsing, at the same time i´m listening to Apple Music/Spotify, and just because i want to switch between these apps with the expectation that they shouldn´t refresh (make me start scrolling from beginning) i´m using it wrong? Seems like a basic thing a "the most advanced smartphone, with the most advanced OS" in 2015 should be able to handle, but i guess that´s just me, using it wrong...

Plain and simple the devices are advertised as being able to effectively multitask, and they do accomplish this feat, but can struggle while doing so. I don't understand how using a phone within it's advertised design parameters is not using it properly, according to your insane logic. Sure, these phones perform single tasks marvelously, but we are told they can do more than that. There is nothing being done on these phones that is out of the ordinary, they just don't work as well as they could if given appropriate hardware for their advertised capabilities.

So on point with your statement, i agree!

 

[SeilerBird]

So when i want to use my iPhone with Tapatalk and lets say, safari browsing, at the same time i´m listening to Apple Music/Spotify, and just because i want to switch between these apps with the expectation that they shouldn´t refresh (make me start scrolling from beginning) i´m using it wrong? Seems like a basic thing a "the most advanced smartphone, with the most advanced OS" in 2015 should be able to handle, but i guess that´s just me, using it wrong...

Yes you are using it wrong. If it doesn't work right then the fault is with the user. Yes the phone should be able to handle it but it can't so either start using it correctly or stop complaining.

 

[sunking101]

Yes you are using it wrong. If it doesn't work right then the fault is with the user. Yes the phone should be able to handle it but it can't so either start using it correctly or stop complaining.

Lol. The phone is doing it wrong, not the user. This is simple multitasking that any low-range smartphone is capable of. You seem to have issues with technology moving on and when it comes to RAM, you seem to have issues with technology staying stagnant. I repeat, the two generations older iPhone 5 could do this and yet the iPhone 6+ cannot. Therefore we have stepped BACK in time and things haven't even remained stagnant.

 

[SeilerBird]

Lol. The phone is doing it wrong, not the user. This is simple multitasking that any low-range smartphone is capable of. You seem to have issues with technology moving on and when it comes to RAM, you seem to have issues with technology staying stagnant. I repeat, the two generations older iPhone 5 could do this and yet the iPhone 6+ cannot. Therefore we have stepped BACK in time and things haven't even remained stagnant.

So you think Apple is wrong and you are correct then why don't you stop making excuses and get an Android phone? Clearly they don't work for you and you are in the vast minority. No one loves technology more than I do, I just don't abuse it and expect things that aren't going to happen.

 

[QuarterSwede]

It's the OS, not necessarily the RAM. Like I said earlier. The 6+ multitasks perfectly well in iOS 9. They finally fixed that mess from iOS 8.

 

[sunking101]

It's the OS, not necessarily the RAM. Like I said earlier. The 6+ multitasks perfectly well in iOS 9. They finally fixed that mess from iOS 8.

The 6+ is always going to have less available RAM than the iPhone 5 due to hardware and also it being 64Bit, but any software improvements will be gratefully received.

 

[okwhatev]

You are the one who appears to not understand how memory works. Apple CPUs are now 64 bit which means that the operating system is also 64 bit which means that some parts of applications (pointers for instance) take twice as much memory as a 32 bit application. So in short by upping the CPU to 64 bit Apple have increased the memory requirements for applications.

With this in mind it is essential for iPhones (and iPads) to have increased RAM.

Edit: Had a spelling mistake saying "not" instead of "now" which was somewhat misleading. The rest of the post explained what I meant though.

Anyone, and I mean ANYONE, who's had a chance to really play with the first iOS device with 2GB of RAM, the iPad Air 2, can instantly see what a difference it makes. The difference is massive. Less crashing, insanely more responsive, the Air 2 is exactly how the iPhone 6 Plus should feel, but instead the 6 Plus is a laggy, crashy total mess of a phone that should've never ever been released with so little memory. Didn't have the problems with the 6, but the 6 Plus is a pretty but insanely slow device for anyone who bothers to run more then a handful of apps at a time. I get restarts literally 8 to 10 times a day. crash reports brought into apple say "oh yeah, memory problems. Run less apps." Not run their mouth is a better answer!!

 

[SeilerBird]

Anyone, and I mean ANYONE, who's had a chance to really play with the first iOS device with 2GB of RAM, the iPad Air 2, can instantly see what a difference it makes. The difference is massive. Less crashing, insanely more responsive, the Air 2 is exactly how the iPhone 6 Plus should feel, but instead the 6 Plus is a laggy, crashy total mess of a phone that should've never ever been released with so little memory. Didn't have the problems with the 6, but the 6 Plus is a pretty but insanely slow device for anyone who bothers to run more then a handful of apps at a time. I get restarts literally 8 to 10 times a day. crash reports brought into apple say "oh yeah, memory problems. Run less apps." Not run their mouth is a better answer!!

My iPhone 6 has never crashed, it is extremely responsive, it has no lag, it is not slow, has never once restarted and it is not a mess.

 

[QuarterSwede]

My iPhone 6 has never crashed, it is extremely responsive, it has no lag, it is not slow, has never once restarted and it is not a mess.

The 6 Plus also has twice the resolution of the 6. That one change seems to be causing most of the Plus's issues.

 

[sunking101]

The 6 Plus also has twice the resolution of the 6. That one change seems to be causing most of the Plus's issues.

The 6+ was rushed out of the door without any real thought. The iPhone 6 should really have 2GB of RAM but the 6+ absolutely needs it. The HD screen and constant downscaling requires beefier specs than the iPhone 6 but sadly Apple decided to just whack a big HD screen and 'desktop scaler' onto the same innards. Bad move Apple but hey, they still made their money. It's we the poor schmucks who bought it that suffer.