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This concerns me more on the iPad than the iPhone. I frequently have an iPad plugged into speakers while charging and I see a quality accommodating stereo or set of speakers as way more expensive than headphones.


Maybe an alternative could be some kind of Bluetooth dongle that could be plugged into my existing systems.

Airport Express :)
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So they don't have to include a free adapter in the box?

Based on Apple's history, the iPhone 7 will be the only device to come with an adapter.
 
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So they don't have to include a free adapter in the box?

It wouldnt make a sense at all to sell products with a jack when they already have launched a device without it and moving into the wireless world. That would be not only stupid but also an irrational and odd choice. However, we are talking about apple and being rational doesnt belong in the same sentence.

I quess, every new devices from now is sold without a jack. Otherwise they are giving to us a confusing signal.
 
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It wouldnt make a sense at all to sell products with a jack when they already have launched a device without it and moving into the wireless world. That would be not only stupid but also an irrational and odd choice. However, we are talking about apple and being rational doesnt belong in the same sentence.

I quess, every new devices from now is sold without a jack. Otherwise they are giving to us a confusing signal.

Again, they're selling a device without a jack, but including one in the box in the form of a dongle. The iPad doesn't need to remove the jack for space reasons, or any of their other stated reasons for that matter. The iPad is used cross platform, not necessarily by iPhone users, or even Apple customers. The iPad has been in steady decline. I doubt Apple could afford to alienate all those Android customers and PC users. At some point after more Android phones drop the jack, and headphones go mostly digital interface, or wireless, then Apple could drop the jack without consequence. But if they wanted to drop it sooner, then they could include the jack dongle in the box. If they didn't it wouldn't be the end of the world at $9/dongle, but then it's not now, and yet they're doing it.
 
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It's the new era of computing, so that's how we use it. It has accessories, and it's being used in production. Removing the option to charge while we use usb dongle, card reader dongle, headphones for remotes. To record instruments, etc.

Sigh.. that means with battery draining situations in production that you get sessions of an hour, with 45m break to charge again. Completely time wasting, and a reason to use android instead. unfortn.

I hope they realise it's not just a facebook machine.
 
It's the new era of computing, so that's how we use it. It has accessories, and it's being used in production. Removing the option to charge while we use usb dongle, card reader dongle, headphones for remotes. To record instruments, etc.

Sigh.. that means with battery draining situations in production that you get sessions of an hour, with 45m break to charge again. Completely time wasting, and a reason to use android instead. unfortn.

I hope they realise it's not just a facebook machine.

dont worry, there will be plenty of accessory makers making pass thorugh charging adapters.
 
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don't worry, there will be plenty of accessory makers making pass through charging adapters.
So the have the convenience of a single device in your hand. You just need to buy a table to put all the accessories on .. rather than just using the stuff you need to use.
 
So the have the convenience of a single device in your hand. You just need to buy a table to put all the accessories on .. rather than just using the stuff you need to use.

It will most likely just be a split cable -- you had to plug in two cables to the device anyway. Now the two cables will plug into a split cable that then plugs into the lightning port.
 
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So there are a lot of supposed audio afficiantoes out there that complain about sound quality over Bluetooth.

I kind of doubt that if you're that concerned with audio sound quality you're using an iPhone for your music needs. Myself, I can't tell the difference. I have all kinds of headphones from Apple's default pods to expensive wired and Bluetooth headphones - and the ONLY difference I can tell is my Bluetooth headphones are over the ear and tend to block out more noise.

I know some people who are really into music and love their Bluetooth speakers. I fully admit my bias and doubt over the Bluetooth quality issue - though I;m certain that there are people who can discern the difference.

So, my question is twofold: What IS the difference? And is it REALLY something a great many can actually hear (without straining to hear it) or is it something that they see in a review and just run with it?
 
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the jack will disappear in the next case redesign simply for aesthetic or cross-product consistency reasons.

There. Courage right there. Greedy *******s. As for aesthetics, what were they thinking when they put that hideous bump on the back of the 7 plus? How that was approved is beyond me.
 
I really hope not. I use my iPad Mini's charging port/headphone jack simultaneously all the time. Especially when I have a sports game on in the background while working. As a media consumption device, it would be strange to make the move on the iPad as well.

As for design purposes, I can definitely see why they would want to. I just really hope they don't..
 
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So future Macbooks will only have USB-C?

It's hard to say, but let's look at why the jack was removed. Better water resistance? I don't think that water resistance is a major concern for iPads. To add additional speakers? Already there on the iPad. To promote wireless audio? Well, it seems like that would be the only reason to do it.

Eventually, yeah.

The better question is, will future Macs / macbooks have no headphone jack? And I'm talking about macs/macbooks released this year and next.
 
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The better question is, will future Macs / macbooks have no headphone jack? And I'm talking about macs/macbooks released this year and next.

Well, going along with what I said about iPads, I don't know that there are as many advantages to removing it on a Mac as on a phone. Also, would removing it mean that they have to put a lightning port on Macs so that the new wired earbuds could be used?
 
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The better question is, will future Macs / macbooks have no headphone jack? And I'm talking about macs/macbooks released this year and next.

No. Not likely. Except for the retina MacBook.

We've already seen allegedly leaked MBP cases and they have the headphone jack. They definitely won't take it off the MBA, and there's no reason to take it off the desktops, short of a major redesign which isn't likely yet.

So there will be Mac models with headphone jacks no matter what, just like there are iPhones with them still. The rMB will likely continue to be the test market for removing ports, replacing he headphone jack with Lightning, while adding Lightning to the rest of the lineup.
 
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What else are audio jacks used for?

That's easy. I use my iPad for sound design in theatrical productions. While the audio jack is not the best option, it works in most environments. The other alternative is the very dated Composite cable that Apple offers, but there isn't a version for the lightning connection yet. I need the cable, and lightning to 30-pin adapter. There are some great apps for operating sound and even lights via an iPad that have rendered the need for a laptop for this function pointless. This is what makes using a tablet so exciting, to have that power and design in a sleek tool. Take away some functionality that some consumers take for granted or find redundant, and it does take things a step backwards.
 
That's easy. I use my iPad for sound design in theatrical productions. While the audio jack is not the best option, it works in most environments. The other alternative is the very dated Composite cable that Apple offers, but there isn't a version for the lightning connection yet. I need the cable, and lightning to 30-pin adapter. There are some great apps for operating sound and even lights via an iPad that have rendered the need for a laptop for this function pointless. This is what makes using a tablet so exciting, to have that power and design in a sleek tool. Take away some functionality that some consumers take for granted or find redundant, and it does take things a step backwards.

I don't agree. Especially in your profession.

I've seen some of these apps in use in professional theater presentations, and everything is done wirelessly, including sound. The sound guy literally sits in the middle of the audience and mixes for the target sound, instead of at the back of the house tethered to a sound board. The fact you chose to use archaic interfaces when there is a better way is not Apple's fault. Time to invest in some real equipment.
 
Time to invest in some real equipment.

I need to be ready for whatever system is being used in whatever theater is looking for my work, including community theater venues that aren't financially able to do much more than pay me a stipend. I do not control the equipment that they have or that I need to use. I just need to make it work, and I do.
 
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I need to be ready for whatever system is being used in whatever theater is looking for my work, including community theater venues that aren't financially able to do much more than pay me a stipend. I do not control the equipment that they have or that I need to use. I just need to make it work, and I do.

No slight intended at all. And that's the job of professional, to have whatever dongles necessary in the bag of tricks to accomplish whatever the job requires. Unfortunately, Apple can't, and shouldn't cater to every niche use of their products, and that's the reality, and to some degree why we have professionals -- to allow those who can't afford the latest technology to keep doing what they do with what they have, as the rest of the world moves on.
 

This is a nice puff piece for Apple but nothing more. And to think buzzfeed of all places!

"But the transition is inevitable."

Except it's not. The old audio jack is a universal port - the new one isn't (nor will it be). I do not want to have to carry an adapter on a plane or in my car or buy a new pair of headphones and guess what - I won't because it's not inevitable.

"We needed the space"

Lie. As many videos have shown there's still more than enough space for it behind the false speaker grill that apparently fulfills the useful purpose of symmetry.
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So here is the question - what Apple will [sic] remove or add in the next models??

Their customers.
 
Except it's not. The old audio jack is a universal port - the new one isn't (nor will it be). I do not want to have to carry an adapter on a plane or in my car or buy a new pair of headphones and guess what - I won't because it's not inevitable.

Using the lightning port for audio out is just a stop-gap transition measure. The real future is wireless audio. I just bought the new Bose Bluetooth Soundsport earphones, and spent half an hour pairing it with my iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch, AppleTV and iMac. Now that it's done, I can just switch from one sound source to another using Bose's iOS app. No need for an audio port on any of these devices. No need to reach behind the iMac to plug headphones in and out, no getting cables tangled when listening to iPad or iPhone, and I don't even know how I would plug in a headphone to the AppleTV. From what I can tell, Apple's AirBuds make this process even more quicker and seamless. I don't know how things will go with professional sound equipment, but for personal audio listening, this really does feel like the future, and inevitable.
 
Using the lightning port for audio out is just a stop-gap transition measure. The real future is wireless audio.
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I don't know how things will go with professional sound equipment, but for personal audio listening, this really does feel like the future, and inevitable.

I couldn't agree more.

I like to think that, every now and then, gentle Tim Cook let's out his inner Steve Jobs when he walks into a post iPhone launch meeting. Everyone is talking about how well the new iPhone is received, supply issues, and potential features for the new device. Tim Cook walks in and everyone stops talking, waiting for the meeting to begin. He takes his iPhone out of his pocket, and says, in an uncharacteristic angry tone, "I still have to plug wires into this thing." He throws the phone into the middle of the table and says "Fix it." And walks out.

Inevitable? Yes.
Wireless is the future and people should have seen this coming. The lightning port has a BIG target on it. People talk about wanting Apple to move to USB C, but once Apple has fast wireless charging figured out, the lightning port's days are numbered.
 
Using the lightning port for audio out is just a stop-gap transition measure. The real future is wireless audio. I just bought the new Bose Bluetooth Soundsport earphones, and spent half an hour pairing it with my iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch, AppleTV and iMac. Now that it's done, I can just switch from one sound source to another using Bose's iOS app.

The future isn't here and further it's open to people's absurd speculations. While listing your Apple ecosystem is lovely, it's also pointless, my comment was about the real world of going on planes, my car, etc. it's called a universal standard for a reason. Apple is not giving us a new universal standard they're compensating for slowing sales by selling more headphones with a different connection through perceived obsolescence. I'd rather have a $300 pair of headphones that works with everything than simply Apple devices and I'd rather have a phone that doesn't need adapters everywhere I take it. It's really that simple.
 
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The future isn't here and further it's open to people's absurd speculations. While listing your Apple ecosystem is lovely, it's also pointless, my comment was about the real world of going on planes, my car, etc. it's called a universal standard for a reason. Apple is not giving us a new universal standard they're compensating for slowing sales by selling more headphones with a different connection through perceived obsolescence. I'd rather have a $300 pair of headphones that works with everything than simply Apple devices and I'd rather have a phone that doesn't need adapters everywhere I take it. It's really that simple.

BT is a universal standard.

You're hung up on wires. Even if Apple switched to USB-C how would that solve anything on a plane, or your car? You'll still need adapters and dongles.

Your gross hyperbole aside, a $300 pair of headphones can work with everything, including BT, with a simple adapter. But most people won't need those other options for a large percentage of time they actually use them. Many won't need them at all. And that's the world Apple is catering to.
 
BT is a universal standard.

Even if Apple switched to USB-C how would that solve anything on a plane, or your car? You'll still need adapters and dongles.

They don't need to switch to anything. Right now everything works fine with a standard jack. Apple had the space to keep it and chose not to, to increase sales of peripherals while their growth is floundering meanwhile spinning it as innovation - it's simply not. (Hey I wonder if they own a headphone company? That could be profitable.) Further it alienates long time customers, and erodes their brand. Getting rid of disk drives in laptops at least had the obvious benefit from the start of creating lighter notebooks for consumers - this move has none.

Your gross hyperbole aside...

The only "gross hyperbole" right now is believing in a future that does not exist while ignoring the very real problems created by this current reality. It's obviously your prerogative to do so which is fine as it is mine to spend money on something that's actually useful.
 
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