Will the next Apple event be the most anticipated one since 2007?

[chris975d]

I am not sure how this '3GS was a bigger step' conclusion can be reached.

The 3GS brought:
- ~200MHz faster processor
- 128 MB more RAM
- digital compass
- voice control
- improved rear camera (50% more pixels)
- ??

The 4 added the following:
- 200MHz faster processor
- 256 MB more RAM
- Retina display - double resolution, and also IPS
- front camera
- video calling
- improved rear camera (50% more pixels plus a much better sensor)
- LED flash
- gyroscope
- noise canceling microphone
- better voice quality and reception (except in areas of poor reception + death grip).

I do agree about the durability issues, but feature-wise the iPhone 4 was a massive leap that added every missing, oft-requested feature plus some.

The parts that you are missing are the changes regarding the architecture of the hardware. The 3G was using the old ARM architecture (same CPU that was in the original iPhone), and a very slow GPU. The 3GS moved up to the Cortex A8 CPU (same CPU architecture found in the iPhone 4), and the PowerVR SGX535 GPU (exact same as the one found in the iPhone 4). The processor change alone from 3G to 3GS was somewhere around twice as fast as the one found in the 3G, and the GPU is vastly improved as well. These things are the major contributing factor to how fast and "powerful" the device is, and how fast apps run. That's why many people regard the 3G to 3GS upgrade as the most significant so far. The iPhone 4's CPU/GPU are just a refinement of the one's in the 3GS, mainly refining for size and power consumption. It's why the 3GS benchmarks much closer (and sometimes faster...iPhone 4 has to push more pixels with same GPU because of the Retina display) to the iPhone 4 than the 3G does. Even though the 3G looked just like the 3GS did/does, it was much different. You can think of the 3GS as an "almost" iPhone 4 in a 3G body.

 

[boss.king]

i definitely think the 4 was a better change than the 3gs was. the value of each upgrade imo meant a lot more. the 4 is a hell of a phone and always will be in my mind.

The 3GS is a hell of a phone too. See, reasoning like that means very little. In terms of actual upgrades, the list in my previous post shows that the 3GS actually brought more to the table than the iPhone 4. No subjectivity, just a solid hardware list.

The parts that you are missing are the changes regarding the architecture of the hardware. [SNIP] You can think of the 3GS as an "almost" iPhone 4 in a 3G body.

Great post

 

[Travisimo]

I think it could very well be the most anticipated Apple event in a LONG time, if not since 2007, for the following reasons:

1) Longer Wait. The most obvious reason is because Apple has thrown off their iPhone release schedule this year. This means it'll be 3-4 months longer between iPhone's than normal.

2) Increased Competition. Though Apple still dominates in profit share, Android has taken over marketshare and Apple cannot let the same thing happen to the iPhone that happened to the Mac platform years ago (which has recently been reversing again). By limiting themselves to one phone per year, they really have to knock it out of the ballpark each time or else they could ultimately stumble for a longer period of time. Conversely, Android manufacturers releases new phones all the time and can easily recover from a "miss". Apple cannot afford to miss at this point.

3) Combined Events. It is quite possible/probably that we may see a combined event where they announce the new iPhone as well as new iPods. While iPods are increasingly becoming less important to Apple, they still sell well and are an important announcement this time of year. It's unlikely that Apple would hold two separate events in a very short period of time, so this upcoming combined event could potentially have more product announcements than usual.

4) More questions. Before the iPhone 4 event, we pretty much had confirmed leaked photos of the device because of Gizmodo's fiasco with the lost/stolen iPhone at the bar. So far, that hasn't happened with the iPhone 5/4S, though there have been potential leaks and photos. Furthermore, there are mixed rumors on whether this could be an LTE device or not. Up until recently, it was very doubtful that Apple would release an LTE iPhone this year. But with rumors now of LTE hardware being installed in Apple Stores, and LTE field testing going on, I think everyone will be in greater anticipation to find out for sure. Personally, I still don't think it's going to happen. Battery life and mass production of parts is more important to Apple than being the first out of the gate with a new technology. On the other hand, if they DON'T release an LTE iPhone this year, it'll be a LONG wait until next year before another phone is released. While in the meantime, Android will already have dozens of LTE devices on the market, especially with Verizon who has been rolling out LTE very quickly! The iPhone could very well fall further behind...

So yeah, I think it's going to be an unprecendented event, with levels of anticipation even greater than normal.

 

[boss.king]

I think it could very well be the most anticipated Apple event in a LONG time, if not since 2007, for the following reasons:

1) Longer Wait. The most obvious reason is because Apple has thrown off their iPhone release schedule this year. This means it'll be 3-4 months longer between iPhone's than normal.

2) Increased Competition. Though Apple still dominates in profit share, Android has taken over marketshare and Apple cannot let the same thing happen to the iPhone that happened to the Mac platform years ago (which has recently been reversing again). By limiting themselves to one phone per year, they really have to knock it out of the ballpark each time or else they could ultimately stumble for a longer period of time. Conversely, Android manufacturers releases new phones all the time and can easily recover from a "miss". Apple cannot afford to miss at this point.

3) Combined Events. It is quite possible/probably that we may see a combined event where they announce the new iPhone as well as new iPods. While iPods are increasingly becoming less important to Apple, they still sell well and are an important announcement this time of year. It's unlikely that Apple would hold two separate events in a very short period of time, so this upcoming combined event could potentially have more product announcements than usual.

4) More questions. Before the iPhone 4 event, we pretty much had confirmed leaked photos of the device because of Gizmodo's fiasco with the lost/stolen iPhone at the bar. So far, that hasn't happened with the iPhone 5/4S, though there have been potential leaks and photos. Furthermore, there are mixed rumors on whether this could be an LTE device or not. Up until recently, it was very doubtful that Apple would release an LTE iPhone this year. But with rumors now of LTE hardware being installed in Apple Stores, and LTE field testing going on, I think everyone will be in greater anticipation to find out for sure. Personally, I still don't think it's going to happen. Battery life and mass production of parts is more important to Apple than being the first out of the gate with a new technology. On the other hand, if they DON'T release an LTE iPhone this year, it'll be a LONG wait until next year before another phone is released. While in the meantime, Android will already have dozens of LTE devices on the market, especially with Verizon who has been rolling out LTE very quickly! The iPhone could very well fall further behind...

So yeah, I think it's going to be an unprecendented event, with levels of anticipation even greater than normal.

On the flipside of that, people are growing tired of waiting and are starting to look elsewhere for a device. I've been flip-flopping between wanting a new iPhone and trying out an Android or WP7 device, and this wait is pushing me away from an iPhone. Like you said, Apple has to knock it out of the ballpark, and if they fail to do that after this wait they could lose a few customers, especially those like me who are only interested in their phones. I don't care about LTE, I just want something amazing.

Hopefully they unveil something spectacular though, competition is always great.

 

[sulpfiction]

It's the 3G to 3GS for me. iPhone 4 was te biggest. Not sure what else they can do hardware wise except bigger screens and speed. Two things that really don't care about.

No way. This is the biggest hyped device for apple and iphone users since 07. The delay, rumors and secrecy all play a huge role. Every day there are more and more rumors, polls, threads, etc. It seems to me that people are just as. If not more excited for this release as they were for original iPhone. secondly, this is the biggest release from an apple perspective because noe for really the first time since 07, there is some real competition out there. Consumers actually have a choice. And every month there is a new droid or WM device coming out that's faster & better then the last. Apple, however is releasing one device this year and it's 16 months (if it drops in oct) since iPhone 4. Apple almost HAS to hit this one out of the park. If they flubb this in any way, and consumers are disappointed when iPhone 5 is annonunced, (ie and updated iPhone 4, etc) apple would stand to lose a ton of market share to droid, windows, etc. and possibly no longer rule the smart phone world. With that being said, apple has no intention on being in second place. So yes, this is by far the biggest announcement for apple since 07. And the reason it doesn't seem that a lot of people don't seem too excited yet is because it hasn't been announced yet. The majority of consumers aren't spending time searching out the rumors and the speculation surrounding iPhone 5. But wait and see...once the device gets announced, and we can actually see it, the hype and excitement is going to be much bigger then it was it 07. I really think iPhone 5 is going to change everything. And again leave the competition scrambling. I for one cannot wait.

 

[Sedrick]

No way. This is the biggest hyped device for apple and iphone users since 07. The delay, rumors and secrecy all play a huge role. Every day there are more and more rumors, polls, threads, etc. It seems to me that people are just as. If not more excited for this release as they were for original iPhone. secondly, this is the biggest release from an apple perspective because noe for really the first time since 07, there is some real competition out there. Consumers actually have a choice. And every month there is a new droid or WM device coming out that's faster & better then the last. Apple, however is releasing one device this year and it's 16 months (if it drops in oct) since iPhone 4. Apple almost HAS to hit this one out of the park. If they flubb this in any way, and consumers are disappointed when iPhone 5 is annonunced, (ie and updated iPhone 4, etc) apple would stand to lose a ton of market share to droid, windows, etc. and possibly no longer rule the smart phone world. With that being said, apple has no intention on being in second place. So yes, this is by far the biggest announcement for apple since 07. And the reason it doesn't seem that a lot of people don't seem too excited yet is because it hasn't been announced yet. The majority of consumers aren't spending time searching out the rumors and the speculation surrounding iPhone 5. But wait and see...once the device gets announced, and we can actually see it, the hype and excitement is going to be much bigger then it was it 07. I really think iPhone 5 is going to change everything. And again leave the competition scrambling. I for one cannot wait.

Let me pose a question here: What do you think will happen if, after all this wait and hype, come October, we just get an updated iPhone 4? (by updated I mean same physical appearance, new chip and camera)

Personally, I think the honeymoon will be over and the press will turn on Apple.

 

[singlestick]

Let me pose a question here: What do you think will happen if, after all this wait and hype, come October, we just get an updated iPhone 4? (by updated I mean same physical appearance, new chip and camera)

Personally, I think the honeymoon will be over and the press will turn on Apple.

The press don't matter. How consumers react to the iPhone is what matters.

Again, I think the big story will be that Apple will release iOS 5 when the new iPhone is announced. So even if the iPhone is just "updated," it will still offer new features and services.

 

[Inmem58]

i'm pretty excited about ios 5 as well. ever since the keynote i've been itching to get my hands on the new features.

as for the most anticipated, they're all exciting to me. new keynotes =

WTF is a keynote, sorry I'm not iPhone/Lingo smart

 

[Zeisen55]

WTF is a keynote, sorry I'm not iPhone/Lingo smart

in this case the keynote, or keynote speech, is referring to the speech made by steve jobs at the upcoming apple event

 

[macingman]

iPhone or no iPhone, the next Apple event will be the most anticipated one and watched since 2007 is my guess. And mostly due to all of this iPhone 5 crazyness ofcourse there is more to come out from Apple but the expectations of the iPhone beats eveything.

What are your expectations folks? If till then no single leak will come out, will you be happy with some minor adjustments or do you demand awesomeness after all of this waiting?

There isn't really much "iPhone 5 craziness" this year there's much less talk than last year when there was an actual prototype found.

The iPad announcement was the most anticipated in my opinion.

 

[Reach9]

I do get the point. You don't like how it is made of glass and how it feels in your hand. Those opinions can vastly vary from person to person. You're options are not the general census of iPhone users. Many people like the glass and love how it feels. The iPhone 4 is faster, has a better display, better camera, has a flash, and has FaceTime. Looking at is objectively, the iPhone 4 is their best iPhone so far. You can say that the iPhone 4 was your most disliked or disappointing iPhone yet, but you said it was the worst iPhone.

iPhone 4 - best iPhone, you dislike the design and how it feels
iPhone 3GS - 2nd best, you prefer the design and how it feels

Get my point?

Again, very subjective.

My iPhone 4 - I find it durable and comfortable
Your iPhone 3GS - you find it durable and comfortable

My features, upgrades and specs in my iPhone 4 are better than the 3GS

The iPhone 4 is the best iPhone.

You disliking the design and comfort doesn't make it the worst iPhone.

Right, your opinion is subjective.

Actually the iPhone 4 has gotten the worst publicity, any iPhone has ever got. Antennagate, proximity sensor, white iPhone 4, bad ergonomic design, easily breakable, etc. Even Consumer Report doesn't recommend it. The iPhone 4 design is flawed, and is plagued with negativity. And that is a fact.
Therefore we can expect a redesign, and the rumored case leaks point to just that.

Apple redesigning the iPhone actually shows how the iPhone 4 was a bad design.

And as people have said before me, the jump from the iPhone 3G to 3GS, internally, was bigger than the internal upgrade from the 3GS to 4.

But the iPhone 4 sold well, why? Because it's an iPhone.

If the rumors are true, than the iPhone 5 will actually be the biggest jump since the original (internally and externally). And i find it unfortunate that Apple already labeled the iPhone 4, just that. Wonder what they'll say this time..

 

[Thedeathbear]

Durability is not subjective. Also, in terms of improvements made from the previous gen, the 3GS is a bigger step from the 3G than the 4 was from the 3GS. You will probably say this is also subjective though.

Durability is subjective. I've dropped it many times and no breakage. I actually I only have a few micro scratches on the back. My 3G had many scratches and started to crack after a year. To me, the iPhone 4 is more durable.

Also, the upgrade to the 4 was bigger.

 

[Dandrews524]

Actually the iPhone 4 has gotten the worst publicity, any iPhone has ever got. Antennagate, proximity sensor, white iPhone 4, bad ergonomic design, easily breakable, etc. Even Consumer Report doesn't recommend it. The iPhone 4 design is flawed, and is plagued with negativity.

and the damn thing STILL is selling like crazy. imagine if apple made another iphone that didnt have any of those issues!

 

[Muro]

There isn't really much "iPhone 5 craziness" this year there's much less talk than last year when there was an actual prototype found.

The iPad announcement was the most anticipated in my opinion.

Eeh no crazyness?!....I suppose it's normal a guy in London is lying, as we speak, in a tent before the Apple store waiting for the 5 release since a month ago. Not to mention all the effort people put in the mock-ups I have seen coming by the couple of months also in this the 5 is Leader. Even mayor carriers are raisin questions when this devilish device will come out.

I last saw a patent release of Apple where they use a technique to get rid of fingerprints on touchscreen. It would be great if they apply this on the 5. These small changes are what makes the iPhone that special and distinguish itself from the competitors.

What makes the 4 more special to it's predecessors among other things is that the shape of smartphones went from big assed to lean and slim figured. Normally I'm oke with big assed but not when it's sitting in my pocket. Suddenly you had a techy device full of electronics and with a premium feel to it. No one can convince me, despite it's fragileness, the 4 doesn't feel more solid or well-crafted in your hands then it's plastic predecessors. And this all in a thin device and that's what also lead to the iPhone being interresting for the mainstream which then resulted in a crazy year of world breaking sells.

It will be a thoug job for the 5 to surpass this but I will not be suprised if Apple manages it again.

 

[Sedrick]

Durability is subjective. I've dropped it many times and no breakage. I actually I only have a few micro scratches on the back. My 3G had many scratches and started to crack after a year. To me, the iPhone 4 is more durable.

Nope. To You is the key here. Add your experience in with everyone elses and you have the statistics that show the iPhone 4 is far less durable than the 3.

Let's say you voted for a candidate that's really good to you, but that lost. Just because you voted for him doesn't make him the winner.

 

[sulpfiction]

Let me pose a question here: What do you think will happen if, after all this wait and hype, come October, we just get an updated iPhone 4? (by updated I mean same physical appearance, new chip and camera)

Personally, I think the honeymoon will be over and the press will turn on Apple.

Exactly my point. Apple not only made it to the top of the mobile market with the release of one device, it absolutely crushed the competition and set a new standard. Without iPhone, droids, etc wouldn't exist in the form they do today. And Apple, who was struggling to stay afloat a decade ago, is now one of the richest, most profitable company in the world.

My point is that they didn't get to where they are at by having a bunch of dummies working for them. they know exactly what is at stake here. There is NO WAY POSSIBLE that this new device will be a souped up iPhone 4. Like I said in my other post, more than likely this device is going to be a game changer. In my opinion this launch is bigger then anything apple has put out EVER. And when we finally get a look at it, I'm thinking a lot of jaws will be dropping...along with droid sales.

 

[macingman]

Eeh no crazyness?!....I suppose it's normal a guy in London is lying, as we speak, in a tent before the Apple store waiting for the 5 release since a month ago. Not to mention all the effort people put in the mock-ups I have seen coming by the couple of months also in this the 5 is Leader. Even mayor carriers are raisin questions when this devilish device will come out.

I last saw a patent release of Apple where they use a technique to get rid of fingerprints on touchscreen. It would be great if they apply this on the 5. These small changes are what makes the iPhone that special and distinguish itself from the competitors.

It's normal you get a few attention seeking freaks which go outside an Apple store and wait weeks before launch seeing they have nothing better to do and it's also normal for people to make mockups. And I doubt the patent you saw will make it into the iPhone 5, Apple patents hundreds if not thousands of things and they rarely see the light of day after that.

 

[Thedeathbear]

Nope. To You is the key here. Add your experience in with everyone elses and you have the statistics that show the iPhone 4 is far less durable than the 3.

Let's say you voted for a candidate that's really good to you, but that lost. Just because you voted for him doesn't make him the winner.

Also I'd like to add, the majority Of iPhone users use a case, thus preventing breakage. To people that go naked, you know the risk. Just because more people break the iPhone 4 than the other model doesn't make the iPhone 4 unusable. if people kept breaking iPhone 4's, people would never buy them. Sales show that the iPhone 4 being made of glass isn't a hinderance.

 

[boss.king]

Also I'd like to add, the majority Of iPhone users use a case, thus preventing breakage. To people that go naked, you know the risk. Just because more people break the iPhone 4 than the other model doesn't make the iPhone 4 unusable. if people kept breaking iPhone 4's, people would never buy them. Sales show that the iPhone 4 being made of glass isn't a hinderance.

But a case isn't part of the phone. The iPhone 4 is less durable, it's a fact, it's the trade off Apple made for made for a beautiful design. Take an iPhone 4 and a 3GS and drop them the same number of times, from the same height, onto the same surface, and I'll bet you any amount of money the iPhone 4 will break first. There's no subjectivity in this matter.

 

[Thedeathbear]

But a case isn't part of the phone. The iPhone 4 is less durable, it's a fact, it's the trade off Apple made for made for a beautiful design. Take an iPhone 4 and a 3GS and drop them the same number of times, from the same height, onto the same surface, and I'll bet you any amount of money the iPhone 4 will break first. There's no subjectivity in this matter.

So, I don't drop my iPhone 4. My iPhone 4 is better than your 3GS.

 

[boss.king]

So, I don't drop my iPhone 4. My iPhone 4 is better than your 3GS.

That has nothing to do with the point I'm trying to make. Glad you like your phone. Hope it's got a case

 

[Pez555]

That's a fairly inconclusive argument you're making there dude. Try backing it with some points. See post #46 for examples of said points.

sorry was out so my response was a bit blunt.

I guess im coming at it from a different angle. Im not one of those people who care about the innards of the phone. Its the features that i use to evaluate my conclusion when im comparing to previous models. Whether it uses different architecture inside the phone to me, is irrelevant (whereas for techies i can appreciate it is relevant). For me it is the features that are presented to the end user.

for me there is a bigger list of upgraded features on the iPhone 4 when compared to 3GS than comparing 3G to 3GS, and im pretty sure this was Apple's thinking too. Didnt steve jobs say at WWDC 2010 that the iPhone 4 itself is the biggest leap since the original iPhone or something, or 3G? (or am i imagining it?).

But a case isn't part of the phone. The iPhone 4 is less durable, it's a fact, it's the trade off Apple made for made for a beautiful design. Take an iPhone 4 and a 3GS and drop them the same number of times, from the same height, onto the same surface, and I'll bet you any amount of money the iPhone 4 will break first. There's no subjectivity in this matter.

agreed, im pretty sure there are statistics out there somewhere that would conclude this also?

 

[danpass]

I'm looking forward to it

 

[Muro]

I think it could very well be the most anticipated Apple event in a LONG time, if not since 2007, for the following reasons:

1) Longer Wait. The most obvious reason is because Apple has thrown off their iPhone release schedule this year. This means it'll be 3-4 months longer between iPhone's than normal.

2) Increased Competition. Though Apple still dominates in profit share, Android has taken over marketshare and Apple cannot let the same thing happen to the iPhone that happened to the Mac platform years ago (which has recently been reversing again). By limiting themselves to one phone per year, they really have to knock it out of the ballpark each time or else they could ultimately stumble for a longer period of time. Conversely, Android manufacturers releases new phones all the time and can easily recover from a "miss". Apple cannot afford to miss at this point.

3) Combined Events. It is quite possible/probably that we may see a combined event where they announce the new iPhone as well as new iPods. While iPods are increasingly becoming less important to Apple, they still sell well and are an important announcement this time of year. It's unlikely that Apple would hold two separate events in a very short period of time, so this upcoming combined event could potentially have more product announcements than usual.

4) More questions. Before the iPhone 4 event, we pretty much had confirmed leaked photos of the device because of Gizmodo's fiasco with the lost/stolen iPhone at the bar. So far, that hasn't happened with the iPhone 5/4S, though there have been potential leaks and photos. Furthermore, there are mixed rumors on whether this could be an LTE device or not. Up until recently, it was very doubtful that Apple would release an LTE iPhone this year. But with rumors now of LTE hardware being installed in Apple Stores, and LTE field testing going on, I think everyone will be in greater anticipation to find out for sure. Personally, I still don't think it's going to happen. Battery life and mass production of parts is more important to Apple than being the first out of the gate with a new technology. On the other hand, if they DON'T release an LTE iPhone this year, it'll be a LONG wait until next year before another phone is released. While in the meantime, Android will already have dozens of LTE devices on the market, especially with Verizon who has been rolling out LTE very quickly! The iPhone could very well fall further behind...

So yeah, I think it's going to be an unprecendented event, with levels of anticipation even greater than normal.

Wow man...you deserve a free iPhone 5 on releaseday for writing this post

 

[Thedeathbear]

That has nothing to do with the point I'm trying to make. Glad you like your phone. Hope it's got a case

You stated the iPhone 4 was the worst iPhone to date. You failed to show how it is.