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You stated the iPhone 4 was the worst iPhone to date. You failed to show how it is.

No, I stated it wasn't the best. That doesn't mean it's the worst.

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sorry was out so my response was a bit blunt.

I guess im coming at it from a different angle. Im not one of those people who care about the innards of the phone. Its the features that i use to evaluate my conclusion when im comparing to previous models. Whether it uses different architecture inside the phone to me, is irrelevant (whereas for techies i can appreciate it is relevant). For me it is the features that are presented to the end user.

for me there is a bigger list of upgraded features on the iPhone 4 when compared to 3GS than comparing 3G to 3GS, and im pretty sure this was Apple's thinking too. Didnt steve jobs say at WWDC 2010 that the iPhone 4 itself is the biggest leap since the original iPhone or something, or 3G? (or am i imagining it?).

Steve Jobs says all sorts of crap though, he's not really a good source to quote. He said the iPhone would never have video recording, and look where we are today. I get that you like the features more, but that doesn't meant that there are more of them than in the 3GS. Just because you don't appreciate them doesn't mean they aren't there. I do get what you mean though.

agreed, im pretty sure there are statistics out there somewhere that would conclude this also?

One of the previous posts (I think Sedrick) posted a link showing something like 80% higher breakage rate for the iPhone 4.
 
You stated the iPhone 4 was the worst iPhone to date. You failed to show how it is.

More like you failed to realize the iPhone 4's negative points. Anyway, he never said it was the worst iPhone, i think you're getting confused with what i said:

Actually the iPhone 4 has gotten the worst publicity, any iPhone has ever got. Antennagate, proximity sensor, white iPhone 4, bad ergonomic design, easily breakable, etc. Even Consumer Report doesn't recommend it. The iPhone 4 design is flawed, and is plagued with negativity. And that is a fact.

Didnt steve jobs say at WWDC 2010 that the iPhone 4 itself is the biggest leap since the original iPhone or something, or 3G? (or am i imagining it?).

He did, and i'm sure he wishes he didn't. Because if rumors are true, then the iPhone 5 will actually be the biggest leap (internally and externally).
 
He did, and i'm sure he wishes he didn't. Because if rumors are true, then the iPhone 5 will actually be the biggest leap (internally and externally).

He could just say something like "We've outdone ourselves this year, the new iPhone 5 is now the biggest leap since the original." Problem solved.
 
He could just say something like "We've outdone ourselves this year, the new iPhone 5 is now the biggest leap since the original." Problem solved.

That actually makes sense! I can see him saying something along the lines of "we've outdone ourselves this year".
 
There are quite a few features you left out. I haven't edited the iPhone 4 list.

The parts that you are missing are the changes regarding the architecture of the hardware. (... snipped ...) Even though the 3G looked just like the 3GS did/does, it was much different. You can think of the 3GS as an "almost" iPhone 4 in a 3G body.

I totally acknowledge what you guys are referring to. In terms of internal architecture the 3GS was certainly a bigger leap. However this doesn't change my opinion, and I recognise this is a subjective matter.

If the focus is on architecture and performance, the 3GS is a major update. The importance of the compass (which I actually did include originally, boss.king) is also underrated in terms of unlocking A.R. opportunities to developers. However for other users who may perhaps be more focused on the breadth of features, the iPhone 4 added significantly more user-facing benefits.

The retina display is really two major features (IPS and resolution) that could individually be seen as more substantial additions than an oleophobic coating. The front-facing camera, which unlocked video calling as well as developer opportunities, was a major gain for a lot of users. The camera saw by far the biggest upgrade to date, plus the much requested addition of a flash (which is also usable as a flash light, and now with iOS 5 as a notifier of events).

Finally, despite the less dramatic internal upgrade, the iPhone 4 had an equal clock increase of ~200MHz from the 3GS plus a doubling of RAM which is certainly not a minor addition. The iPhone 4 was the first model where it became almost impossible to experience memory issues under normal use.

Any sales writer will tell you there is a massive difference between features and benefits -- it's easy to argue that for many users, the iPhone 4 added more major user-facing benefits than any update prior.

Apologies for the off-topic nature of this discussion! In answering the OP's question, barring leaks the iPhone 5 announcement will be third behind the original iPhone and the original iPad events.
 
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I totally acknowledge what you guys are referring to. In terms of internal architecture the 3GS was certainly a bigger leap. However this doesn't change my opinion, and I recognise this is a subjective matter.

If the focus is on architecture and performance, the 3GS is a major update. The importance of the compass (which I actually did include originally, boss.king) is also underrated in terms of unlocking A.R. opportunities to developers. However for other users who may perhaps be more focused on the breadth of features, the iPhone 4 added significantly more user-facing benefits.

The retina display is really two major features (IPS and resolution) that could individually be seen as more substantial additions than an oleophobic coating. The front-facing camera, which unlocked video calling as well as developer opportunities, was a major gain for a lot of users. The camera saw by far the biggest upgrade to date, plus the much requested addition of a flash (which is also usable as a flash light, and now with iOS 5 as a notifier of events).

Finally, despite the less dramatic internal upgrade, the iPhone 4 had an equal clock increase of ~200MHz from the 3GS plus a doubling of RAM which is certainly not a minor addition. The iPhone 4 was the first model where it became almost impossible to experience memory issues under normal use.

Any sales writer will tell you there is a massive difference between features and benefits -- it's easy to argue that for many users, the iPhone 4 added more major user-facing benefits than any update prior.

Apologies for the off-topic nature of this discussion! In answering the OP's question, barring leaks the iPhone 5 announcement will be third behind the original iPhone and the original iPad events.

Clear and understandable argumentations, thanks for your feedback.
 
Most anticipated by Apple geeks? Yes.
Most anticipated by regular, non-techy people? No.

I've been looking forward to this for quite sometime, but I've had conversations with many iPhone users who don't even know what iOS 5 is.
 
Personally I will be getting the iPhone 5 at launch but am more looking forward to iCloud. I can't wait until it's all fully implemented, and would love to be able to stream all my iTunes content entirely over the air with no storing involved, the DVD era is dying and I can't wait to see what Apple does to help this.

iOS 5 is also awesome, and I welcome it. :apple:
 
Most anticipated by Apple geeks? Yes.
Most anticipated by regular, non-techy people? No.

I've been looking forward to this for quite sometime, but I've had conversations with many iPhone users who don't even know what iOS 5 is.

I have no idea what kind of iPhone users you have conversations with.
 
I have no idea what kind of iPhone users you have conversations with.

actually, to be fair the first time i said i am using iOS 5 to my mates (all iphone users), they had to ask what it was.

You would be surprised at how many people (casuals) do not know what it is, or have only synced with their computer once.
 
I have no idea what kind of iPhone users you have conversations with.

Typical iPhone users don't follow or care about software versions or rumours or unreleased products, they only care about the immediate features they are given. Most of my iOS-device owning friends act as though I'm talking out of my ass about iOS5 features and when it's coming out.

This goes for most tech really
 
actually, to be fair the first time i said i am using iOS 5 to my mates (all iphone users), they had to ask what it was.

You would be surprised at how many people (casuals) do not know what it is, or have only synced with their computer once.

Typical iPhone users don't follow or care about software versions or rumours or unreleased products, they only care about the immediate features they are given. Most of my iOS-device owning friends act as though I'm talking out of my ass about iOS5 features and when it's coming out.

This goes for most tech really

Yup that makes sense.

Completely misread his post, i thought he said "I've had conversations with many iPhone users who don't even know what iOS is." my bad.
 
Typical iPhone users don't follow or care about software versions or rumours or unreleased products, they only care about the immediate features they are given. Most of my iOS-device owning friends act as though I'm talking out of my ass about iOS5 features and when it's coming out.

This goes for most tech really
It's quite sad too. People don't update their computers or whatever and then complain as to why it is running slowly...

Me no understand... :confused:
 
can't wait

especially now that Steve Jobs has stepped down. i for one hope that he will still do the keynote. he deserves a 10 minute standing ovation, at least. :)
 
It's quite sad too. People don't update their computers or whatever and then complain as to why it is running slowly...

Me no understand... :confused:

People have different interests. My brother is way more technologically competent than I am (I'm still pretty good, he's just unbelievable) but he has no interest in most tech stuff, as long as it works he'll use it, and his iPhone only gets updated when he puts new songs on it.

Different strokes for different folks (always wanted to say that)
 
People have different interests. My brother is way more technologically competent than I am (I'm still pretty good, he's just unbelievable) but he has no interest in most tech stuff, as long as it works he'll use it, and his iPhone only gets updated when he puts new songs on it.

Different strokes for different folks (always wanted to say that)
Dontcha just love that quote? :D

I'm definitely like your brother. I just mostly focus my energy on Apple. People at my work think i'm like a freak. All I talk about is Apple, The Pittsburgh Penguins and golf. hahaha :)
 
Dontcha just love that quote? :D

I'm definitely like your brother. I just mostly focus my energy on Apple. People at my work think i'm like a freak. All I talk about is Apple, The Pittsburgh Penguins and golf. hahaha :)

Lol I think you misunderstood, you're the opposite of my brother. He doesn't care about software updates or new features. It took 3 weeks for him to upgrade to iOS4 mostly cos he didn't know it was out. I only made the point of him being strongly technically competent so it's clear he's not just some idiot.
 
My biggest concern right now is weather or not Steve will do the announcement or not, they might want to give the new CEO more Facetime, (See what I did there?) So we won't be as devastated when Steve leaves.... Even though we still will be.
 
Obviously Steve resigning makes this thread relevant again. Now, it will be the first Keynote in the post-Steve era, I guess you could say. That alone would make it hugely hyped. Add in the delayed iPhone 5 release, and there will be a lot of attention on this Keynote.
 
Personally I will be getting the iPhone 5 at launch but am more looking forward to iCloud. I can't wait until it's all fully implemented, and would love to be able to stream all my iTunes content entirely over the air with no storing involved, the DVD era is dying and I can't wait to see what Apple does to help this.

iOS 5 is also awesome, and I welcome it. :apple:

You do understand that iCloud will not be streaming anything, don't you? It's storage and backups, not a streaming service.
 
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