Well, even those systems you are using does requires you to agree some sort of license or terms of use, implied one or stated one.
There would be a possible way to better protect privacy: completely leave internet.
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Windows 10 is outright spyware
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There would be a possible way to better protect privacy: completely leave internet.
There is no need to even mention you need to live with others and others may leak your privacy intentionally or unintentionally.
I believe you have seen many cases, which is similar to "hey, I have heard a boy in my neighbour was killed when playing near a river yesterday" and some other things. You want to keep it from others eyes, while someone others may leak this to anyone he or she knows.
You're objecting to the point of boycotting mainstream desktop operating systems because there's loads of stuff the uneducated leave on by default (even though they have the option to relatively easily turn it off), yet you're quite willing to use a phone you have to root and flash with a custom ROM to achieve the same?
I'm struggling to see why the latter is an exception to your self-inflicted rule
This is not an all or nothing issue. It isn't a choice between just bending over and accepting it or leaving the internet entirely and not having a phone. Like I said, we all make tradeoffs. I've chosen mine to give me the best possible privacy while preserving the functionality I need.
Your needs and desires may be different and lead to a different set of tradeoffs. That's fine, if you know what you're getting into. Lots of people don't and Microsoft is deliberately preying on them. I won't support that by using their software or paying for their services.
It's not really any worse than what our phones collect about us, and I probably have more things worth hiding on there than on my PC
So that's why I say "better" not "completely" because you pay more trade off in exchange for privacy. This is of course not a 0 or 1, black or white question with only one answer.
I trade some of my privacy in exchange for convenient. That is fine for me.
Uh, any problems?
Cause I have no familiarity with Ben Franklin.
I'm being tongue in cheek.
The quote I'm referring to is "those who trade liberty for security deserve neither", and you know someone won't be able to resist throwing that out there after what you said above, especially given the context of the conversation.
Oh my god....I'm being tongue in cheek.
The quote I'm referring to is "those who trade liberty for security deserve neither", and you know someone won't be able to resist throwing that out there after what you said above, especially given the context of the conversation.
Uh, probably. But I would better bet thing would not go too far in my side.
Never thought this sentence is similar to a statement Benjamin Franklin said.
Eh, I wouldn't worry about it. Some people take some things way too seriously.
...which admittedly, privacy is something worth taking seriously, but it's best not to go overboard about it.
Maybe that guy forget that government has the ability to know exactly what you are doing every second. They just don't need to cost such man power and time to do it unless that guy is super suspicious, or at least, important enough to let government think it is worth tracking movement and activities 7/24.
It isn't so much of an issue of "I'm not important enough for this to matter to me", because it should, even if you don't. But what they're missing is that the NSA ultimately has access to everything, up to and including this if they so want. But until that time comes, it's mostly used as a way for MS to tailor their services for your convenience and maybe annoy you with some ads on occasion.
It's missing the forest for the trees. The service isn't the problem. MS being obligated to give the NSA access to it by law is. So the major issue is NSA overreach, and we're too busy arguing the minutiae.
:slaps on tinfoil cap:
Well, right. Arguing government privilege and ability to do virtually anything possible is another story.
Those companies, first need to follow law enforcement, even they are big enough, like Apple.
Right, and people mixing up the two is the problem. It's true that leaving everything on in the OS might make it easier for the NSA to track you down based on what you're doing, but that's not what it's designed for. The problem is a series of laws that give the NSA unfettered access to it without needing a warrant.
Those who are getting all frothy at the mouth over this are aiming their ire at the wrong target.
Sure. But there is ZERO need for Microsoft to enable all this by default.
There is ZERO need for Microsoft to obfuscate and be less than 100% clear about what they are collecting and exactly how it is used and exactly who it is disclosed to.
Any less is being dishonest. Whether Microsoft are doing it, Google are doing it, Apple are doing it or anyone else.
This is not a fanboy issue, this is a privacy issue.
And the only way they're likely to get away with it is the drooling masses going "oh shiny!" and clicking through the 45 page EULA, not considering their privacy and basically living in the dark about it.
And even if you are doing nothing wrong, you may not want your data aggregated by a corporation or the government. There have been plenty of incidents of big data being hacked and stolen in the news as of late with millions of people affected.
Any time you are offered some "free" service that wants your data you should be asking where does the money come from, and who your data is being sold it. Where it is stored, who has the keys to it, and how the vendor will deal with a breach. None of this is clear with Windows 10.
I'm not excusing the NSA here. But the NSA are not the only issue with this, and it doesn't/shouldn't give Microsoft (or Google, or Apple) free reign to collect whatever they want, to use however they like.
So is this different to the data Apple collect every 15min via spotlight?
Or usage information in iTunes?
Or usage and location information in iOS (all on by default)
iOS apps had fully access to your Mike so people could listen in by default
Credit card auto fill was also on by default for safari
Ad tracking is also on by default
Fraudulent website tracking feature sends "every" URL request to Apple
Frequent locations are cached by default
Location based ads are default (same as the moan above with W10)
All apps have access to your location services by default
It's just done to learn as much as they can about their users by all vendors. I'm sure given the list above some people will be removing macs and iOS devices from "his" network Monday morning... It's all a drama queen moment.. W10, OS X, iOS - they all want the same info for the same reasons, and frankly some people should have their usage tracked. I don't plan to do anything stupid so if someone from the security services wants to waste their time looking what I do, have fun. Just don't let my wife or girlfriends know about my porn addiction pls.
Or usage information in iTunes?
Or usage and location information in iOS (all on by default)
iOS apps had fully access to your Mike so people could listen in by default
Credit card auto fill was also on by default for safari
Ad tracking is also on by default
Fraudulent website tracking feature sends "every" URL request to Apple
Frequent locations are cached by default
Location based ads are default (same as the moan above with W10)
All apps have access to your location services by default
It's just done to learn as much as they can about their users by all vendors. I'm sure given the list above some people will be removing macs and iOS devices from "his" network Monday morning... It's all a drama queen moment.. W10, OS X, iOS - they all want the same info for the same reasons, and frankly some people should have their usage tracked. I don't plan to do anything stupid so if someone from the security services wants to waste their time looking what I do, have fun. Just don't let my wife or girlfriends know about my porn addiction pls.
Their statement gives me such feeling: Apple does this better than Microsoft.
I may not bother reading all ToS/ToU. But I do realise those information are being collected, overtime, to improve my experience when using dedicated device and service. I accept it. And that is all.
What data are you talking about? Where is it collected? Are you referring to Spotlight Suggestions? Because Apple explicitly informs you about the kind of data it collects and how to turn that feature off.
Again, what usage information? When is it collected and for what purposes? There's a message when you start up iTunes for the first time that asks you to decide whether you want to share details about your library with Apple. Is that what you're talking about?
Asks for your permission nowadays
That's a convenience feature. You still have to explicitly send any form that would have your credit card info automatically filled in.
Unfortunately true
As far as I'm aware a blacklist is downloaded from Google's Safe Browsing Service locally to your device. The web addresses of the sites you access aren't sent to Apple.
Locally, right?
That should probably be opt-in
you will have to give your permission for apps to access your location
That mistakenly formatted email....
And, they're on by DEFAULT.
Plus who could prove they are stored locally, not in the cloud? If apple doesn't collect any data, how could they develop proactive intelligence?
Huh?
A lot of the computation can actually be done locally on your device without sending any of your data to a 3rd party. We forget about that nowadays where Google wants to do everything on their servers in the cloud.
There's always necessarily some amount of trust involved when you're dealing with a closed source software vendor. To a certain extent you can't do anything but take companies by their word.
See this....
So, what I do is to grant some extent of trust, on USA law, and their duty and ability to ensure data leak to Government would not go out of control.
Individual is too weak against virtually anything. We should accept this, unconditionally.
Oh, yes. Sorry about that. I edited the post right after noticing my mistake.That mistakenly formatted email....
See this....
Well, no. First of all, I think we should be pushing for as much encrypted local data storage and computation by default. as possible. Obviously the cloud is here to stay though, but we can lobby for strong encryption methods where the cloud provider wouldn't be able to look into or share your data with anyone even if it wanted to. But in the end, the only way to prevent your data from possibly being misused is to not have it accumulate in the first place.
And right. Data encryption.
Someone mention OneDrive stores bitlocker recovery key. Well, what I want to point out is windows server provides the ability to store recovery key onto company configured domain server.
And you are right in this thing: the only way to prevent data from possibly being misused is to not have it accumulate in the first place. Or, as what I often mention, don't create that thing if you don't want anyone others to know the very existence of that thing. NO ONE can manipulate a thing which doesn't even exist. That simple.
The things you mentioned are partially why I don't use any Apple operating systems either.