In this forums either you are against Windows or you are not cool / you are a Microsoft fanboy.... it is sad that some people are stuck in the 90s.
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Windows 10 is outright spyware
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it's not only a 30 seconds issue, I worked with it for more than a year.. It's more complicated. The default toggles doesn't disable everything. The extra software disable things but not completely solve the mess.
If you sign in with a Microsoft account instead of a local account. It will also copy private keys (used for encryption) to your Onedrive account. From that point, they have access to your documents and keys. Even your local encrypted documents could be accessible with that key. Other than that, they also scan your remote documents. If you have a local account, opening the Gaming center it will trigger a process that will try to upgrade your local to a Microsoft account. If you also sign-up for fast ring, the insider build have a keylogger that send keystrokes/mouse activities.
OSX also have the ability to push your keyring to iCloud but they ask permission, you don't have to opt-in for that part.
The next Win10 build will have android integration which will need a cortana app installed on the Android device. This will let them access everything on your phone. This will also requires Cortana to be enabled on Windows10. Meaning they can also scan and send your keystrokes on your pc too. You agree to let them access read your sms, email, calendar and files (and you give them the permission to share that information with 3rd parties).
It's very hard for anybody to be and stay private.
It's very hard for anybody to want to be and stay private, with all this social networks and stuff.....
Apple does the same thing, but when they say "we do not collect personal stuff" people just blindly belive it.
You might want to read this and i cite :
“When you use Spotlight, your search queries, the Spotlight Suggestions you select, and related usage data will be sent to Apple.”
This is Spotlight, but Safari does the same... and yes you were informed, if you red the EULA.....but the same applies to Windows 10.
You agree to let them access read your sms, email, calendar and files (and you give them the permission to share that information with 3rd parties).
I understand your point. I'm going by my previous experience of fixing people's machines that were bricked by Windows updates, and the history is the history and readily available. I'm not bashing the OS and of course I don't think either MSFT or AAPL intentionally push out faulty updates, but it does happen unintentionally. It's the nature of the beast, and often users and OS developers don't agree on what's in their respective best interests.
If/when AAPL goes to a forced update regimen, I'll do my best to prevent it from happening on my machine. If I can't, I'll go full Linux. BTW, I've just recently started using OS X because the updates aren't mandatory.
All companies collect information to a certain degree. This thread was specifically about Windows. I personally don't mind the spotlight integration. You can disable spotlight suggestion and web search completely. You can also restrict it from search private folders (if you have any). It's very different.
By default, a Microsoft online account with publish your private key which is then automatically accessible by Microsoft, since they also have their own key to access your cloud storage. The other thing, is that the data will also be shared with 3rd party.
iOS you mean? I certainly never have seen OSX download the latest version (yet) and then nag me to install. I get a notification on rare occasion (still on Mavericks) for the newer OS. Don't like it but I click it off and it comes back in a month. Haven't seen it for the past 6 months though.
That is true and a good analogy. But software being pushed at this rate is stupid on all sides. XP got real stable cause of the length of time it was out. OSX was better when they had 2 years cycles. The good ol' disk days. They don't create star trek tech and lightsabers every year as these companies claim. If anything they go in circles more often than not and put paint over things. These updates are absurd when they don't get anything really stable. Security are the only ones that need to come at rapid rates.
Dude, I can tell you love MS to death. I hate them, I hate Apple, I hate google, I don't suck at the teats of any company and I talk trash about idiotic stuff they do. They are no better than common whores and all three should be treated as such. LOOK at the video I posted on page 4 if you got time, the dude updates and changes happen RIGHT IN THE VIDEO. There are more examples on youtube with more video and enough people saying it does turn off settings for them. I've seen and read enough to know the smoke is a fire. To some it doesn't change settings I am sure, it certainly has to others. I would warn others to just check for it at least on occasion. If you have trouble finding examples for whatever reason I will show more examples and time stamp as well. I'm not allowed to give MS heat? But if Apple did this with their OS then boy o boy the forums here would be jumping mad and everyone on board that rape line. Fact.
Other way around here sir. MS bashing in threads often make them get closed unless it is a main article. NON-STOP apple bashing here it doesn't stop. People are insane to not know certain things by now about how Apple does things. Move on, go to windows central and be happy and share the win 10 love of this OS from Mars tech apparently.
I grew up with Windows and have had very few issues with it. May use it again if Apple thins up the MBP and gimps it. Will I whine about it here? No, I got better things to do and am not that geeky. Although Linux Mint may be my choice since I personally (in my opinion that I am not entitled to because I don't love Windows 10 ) do not like many aspects of 10. I want to PAY for it with cash I earn. I want them OFF my computer and let me use their OS to MY liking not to theirs. No data mining, no background BS, I want all of that off. And for god sake's it is past time to clean that up a little cause OSX is as well, but Windows is convoluted beyond digesting levels.
Very true. 30 seconds made me question if it was a shill or not. I read the comment in Nadella's voice and it kind of matched.
Apple does the same thing nonsense again. They collect some, but OSX ONLY has the search thing which can be turned off and stays off. I don't see article after article talking about its data collection. I am sure I will get some links though, since apparently they are WORSE than MS about collecting data. I posted a 30 MINUTE video with a dude who seems to know his tech well turning all that off on Windows 10. Apple may do more of that, if they do then I am out. With the premium pricing hopefully they do not try it.
iPhone has limit ad tracking, so you can't disable that. Other stuff it ASKS me every time. Location services seemed opt in to me. Advertising ID is there of course so I don't know for sure what they take. I would wager if I could see it for myself it is far less for one main reason. Apple doesnt have a search engine and MS and google both do, so they don't need that data as much. That may change in the future and if it does then I guarantee I can do all I need to in Linux Mint. Less clutter as well thankfully.
Keep those monopolies alive boys. Of course there is no replacement for MS office.
Build that Android bot next.
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OS X nags me every day to update it. While its not downloaded, I'm getting incessant notifications that bug me.
Clearly that is annoying. As I said I am on 10.9 and only gotten that maybe 4 times? So it hasn't bothered me, when things bother me about Apple I sound just like the other 90% of posters here, don't worry.
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Yep and does the same on iOS too. Multiple times EVERY day you get the pop-ups to upgrade.
Clearly i love MS to death, hence why i have so much apple stuff...?
Your hate is your problem, it blinds you to the reality of what is, not what you think it is. I've seen the video you posted, i commented "mine" i.e. in the real world not a beta from an ex MS employee let go or the forum "fact" world doesnt do that. "NO" updates to my device from Oct/Nov time frame has changed my privacy settings. I agree with your sentiment "check yours", but smoke and fire don't always go hand in hand.. Apple do lots of stuff they shouldn't be doing with their devices and the fan board isn't alight with the rape line.
Clearly i love MS to death, hence why i have so much apple stuff...?
Your hate is your problem, it blinds you to the reality of what is, not what you think it is. I've seen the video you posted, i commented "mine" i.e. in the real world not a beta from an ex MS employee let go or the forum "fact" world doesnt do that. "NO" updates to my device from Oct/Nov time frame has changed my privacy settings. I agree with your sentiment "check yours", but smoke and fire don't always go hand in hand.. Apple do lots of stuff they shouldn't be doing with their devices and the fan board isn't alight with the rape line.
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you could love 'em for sure. Lots of people have stuff in their sig.... for whatever reason... doesn't mean you don't feel the windows love train. If I could understand Nadella's english then maybe that would help.
my hate is my problem? not really Yoda. I'm not attached to this idiotic era we are in though.
Your third sentence I don't understand what you are saying there? "mine" i.e. is where I get lost. What are you saying?
Least we agree on the check your settings thing. cheers!
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The video is from an ex MS employee who was let go, he's running the demo/video on a beta copy of the software - he declares that. Mine, is a none beta copy of the product and it did not do that.. that's all i can say.
Lots of setting on lots of systems, be it linux, windows OS X or iOS change randomly or at least for unknown reasons and on "some" devices only. This doesn't make it by design, or that it will happen to everyone.
Lots of setting on lots of systems, be it linux, windows OS X or iOS change randomly or at least for unknown reasons and on "some" devices only. This doesn't make it by design, or that it will happen to everyone.
Not history. Windows 10 Update 1511 removed our AV at work, reinstalled removed apps, and removed RSAT from my computer. It causes a lot of work for us.
Its different because updates can not be turned off at all, the data collection can not be turned off at all, microsoft are in bed with the NSA, and a heap of the default settings opt in to sharing WAY more personal information than is prudent.
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Apple do similar things, however the implementation is very different to the way Microsoft have done things, the defaults are often different, the information in anonymised and Apple do not hold all your keys. Apple are very clear about the implications of enabling features, Microsoft enable by default, and hide the ability to turn things off behind deliberately obfuscated options during setup (try set up a new copy of Windows to not log in via an MS account, the UI is deliberately obfuscated).
As to spotlight sending queries to apple - how do you think their server is going to process them otherwise?
They are completely different companies.
Apple is a consumer device company, that also makes it own OS. MS is a cloud company that also makes its own OS and productivity apps.
Updates can be turned off, and it's clearly explained how to do so.
Once you run the show and hide updates tool you can disable the "apply repairs automatically" option. You can then hide updates you don't want applied.
Clearly this is the next level of "dumbing down" of humanity by ensuring security updates and vulnerabilities already known are closed (patched). its very much in the vane of "it just works".
As many people who argue applying updates are a bad thing, you have the other side arguing they are a good thing.. if you dont like it, dont use it. But apple make decisions for you too and not always in the way you want to do things.. so, they are just as good/bad as each other.
Apple is a consumer device company, that also makes it own OS. MS is a cloud company that also makes its own OS and productivity apps.
Updates can be turned off, and it's clearly explained how to do so.
Once you run the show and hide updates tool you can disable the "apply repairs automatically" option. You can then hide updates you don't want applied.
Clearly this is the next level of "dumbing down" of humanity by ensuring security updates and vulnerabilities already known are closed (patched). its very much in the vane of "it just works".
As many people who argue applying updates are a bad thing, you have the other side arguing they are a good thing.. if you dont like it, dont use it. But apple make decisions for you too and not always in the way you want to do things.. so, they are just as good/bad as each other.
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Well, if "consumer version" only refers to Home version, that may be correct. However Win 10 Pro has a group policy editor so Pro user may be able to disable Windows Update from there.
But umm, it might be possible to just disable Windows Update or at least, not check and install update automatically in the background using registry editor.
http://gpsearch.azurewebsites.net/#2791
This is a site to help searching group policy entries and its corresponding registry items.
Windows 10 Enterprise of course, can disable Windows Update effectively. Same as all Windows Server versions.
Disabling Windows update is far from a good idea. If a critical security patch gets out, you won't get it. Why not simply disable the Windows 10 update.
Create/Change the following registry key, and reboot (or kill the GWX.EXE process).
[doublepost=1460860394][/doublepost]for the non upgraders, Microsoft also released telemetry softwares as 'patches' for Windows 7,8,8.1 so aside from using software like O&O or Spybot, it's hard to get rid of this issue completely on any OS. For the Linux users (like myself, I use all 3 platforms), some distributions like ClearLinux, have telemetry software built-in. So switching blindly may not solve the problem.
Create/Change the following registry key, and reboot (or kill the GWX.EXE process).
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[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\Gwx]
"DisableGwx"=dword:00000001Windows makes my head hurt when I look at this stuff. Can we please EVER get another OS that is shoved on all those machines.
I agree you shouldn't disable updates for the security reasons.
Least J Allard was heavily against all this bloat and BS but Ballmer and him fought about the courier device, an awesome device that never made it to market. I thought it looked cool and there went a guy with some vision at least. Is group policy editor new? What is that? That name... seriously?
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Group policy was standard with Windows 2000, so 16 years ago. Before that, in WinNT3.5x/NT4, policy settings were edited within poledit (.pol files). So they almost always existed.
So it's been a long way like that. By default any Windows computer comes with default settings that are either managed by registry keys or policies. You can view the defaults with the Local security policy console. When you're in a work environment and the computer is binded to a domain, the same policies can be centrally administered and pushed to computers. They are essentials in a work environment.
Similar things can be achieved with puppet (client/master) on Linux. You can also bind a MacOS computer to a Windows domain and retrieve Mac Group policy (defined in AD with a Windows Machine) via a software add-on. You install an AD extension and little client on the mac.
but yeah, ugly name! but useful.
No clue on that man. I get some of it to a degree. Thanks for the info though.
I googled before you replied, and saw it was with Vista, didn't know it went that far back.
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Maybe not economic benefits but the NSA has access to a huge archive of all your internet activities for when you become a person of interest. The next step with data mining is for profiling the data to bucketize your malcontent behaviour. You'll slip up eventually and then be thrown in jail.
I am Aware you can turn things off with group policy or disabling the process. I run an enterprise WSUS/SCCM environment so I am familiar with how it works.
That's not the point. Microsoft have taken away end user choice of whether or not they want particular updates without messing about with unsupported hacks and local group policy changes to get around the policy change.
That's not the point. Microsoft have taken away end user choice of whether or not they want particular updates without messing about with unsupported hacks and local group policy changes to get around the policy change.
you can disable the Windows 10 Update only, by looking at my post . It will let you update the machine without getting the notification to upgrade.