Windows 11 for Mac in the Works, Says Parallels Desktop

[MacCheetah3]

So they’re going to violate the windows 11 eula too?

the windows 10 one clearly states you can only install if the license was sold with the machine. Did win 11 change?

Yes, there are OEM specific terms for system builders/integrators. However, the retail license shouldn’t have such a clause. With that said, I am not familiar with which Windows license type Parallels is required to use, bundles with the Parallels Desktop software.

Admittedly, I haven’t read the terms in quite awhile.

 

[NightFox]

How would competing in a market be anti-competitive?

Because MS would have an uncompetitive advantage over its competitors through its inside knowledge of Windows, its ability to make changes to Windows to provide an optimum experience under its own VM, and potentially to 'accidentally' cripple competitor's VMs with changes to Windows.

Take this article for example - Parallels are working on support for Windows 11. Microsoft could have had a product ready for market alongside the OS's very first beta release if they wanted to.

 

[Rooster 🐓]

I won’t go to m1 until they have bootcamp

Because of bootcamp I still love my first unibody core2 duo MacBook Pro, which still works perfectly today, and that’s why I got the last intel 16” MacBook Pro - so grateful for the precision trackpad bootcamp update recently 👏🏻

 

[saudor]

Oh? From a previous column on this site describing the hardware requirements for macOS Monterey:

• ‌iMac‌ - Late 2015 and later
• ‌iMac‌ Pro - 2017 and later
• ‌MacBook Air‌ - Early 2015 and later
• MacBook Pro - Early 2015 and later
• Mac Pro - Late 2013 and later
• Mac mini - Late 2014 and later
• MacBook - Early 2016 and later

Last time I looked the year 2013 was 8 years ago. Not 5-6 years.

Compared to windows, 8 years isn't a lot. (ignoring that windows 11 requires 2018 processors but i think they'll change this requirement).

My old Q6600 from 2007 still runs Win10 perfectly. That's 14 years old today. With Win10 being supported through 2025, that's going to be 18 whopping years.

 

[fishmongerer]

It is a mess isn’t it? Like Windows 10 has the old control panel from Win 7, the “we’re also a tablet” settings from Win 8 and a whole new layer of settings for Win 10. It’s like all you have to do is keep scratching the surface to find the stuff that worked 12 years ago.

I’ll give MS the benefit of the doubt that it’s been cleaned up in Win 11 but the strategy for it seems to be more in-line with competing with Chromebooks then fixing Windows problems.

Unfortunately, Rome wasn't built in a day and MS can't be undoing all kinds of stuff over decades. 99.9% of the time you NEVER see the old control panel. Haven't seen it in a year myself.

Also, 2-in-1 Windows laptops are quite nice. Not sure about the "also a tablet" thing, I don't see it on my PC.

 

[Michael Scrip]

99.9% of the time you NEVER see the old control panel. Haven't seen it in a year myself.

Exactly.

I think it's hilarious that people are so bothered by this.

If the only thing wrong with Windows 11 is that people MIGHT see an old dialog box or Control Panel... I think it'll be OK.

 

[Rooster 🐓]

Unfortunately, Rome wasn't built in a day and MS can't be undoing all kinds of stuff over decades. 99.9% of the time you NEVER see the old control panel. Haven't seen it in a year myself.

Also, 2-in-1 Windows laptops are quite nice. Not sure about the "also a tablet" thing, I don't see it on my PC.

Used to pop up occasionally in High Sierra I recall!

 

[johnsc3]

The popular software for virtualizing Windows on macOS, Parallels Desktop, has confirmed that support for the newly announced Windows 11 is in the works for Mac computers.

Last week, Microsoft unveiled Windows 11, the next major version of the Windows operating system. Obviously, Windows 11 won't be supported on Mac computers, but as is normal, some Mac users run virtualized desktops on their Mac with Windows.

As reported by iMore, Parallels has confirmed that it is waiting to dig into Windows 11, once all of its features, such as Teams integration and Android apps, are released and part of the Windows 11 Preview build before they starting working on Mac compatibility. As per the report:
No specifics were given, but Parallels did say that it "will surely do everything that's possible to make it happen." On Intel-based Mac computers, users can natively run Windows using Boot Camp, as well as through virtualization. However, running Windows natively through Boot Camp is no longer possible on all Apple silicon Macs, leaving virtualization to be the only option.

Article Link: Windows 11 for Mac in the Works, Says Parallels Desktop

Can someone help me out with this one, where or what happened to VMware’s support (M1) for Win10/ Win11? Is there anything?

 

[ctucci]

Oddly, it's already working for me. I used the ARM preview, and it autoupdated. Looks a lot like a mac interface actually.

 

[31 Flavas]

My Windows 10 vm on my M1 Mac was automatically upgraded to Windows 11 already. Works great!

How'd you accomplish that? I'm running Windows 10 Arm64 in a Parallels 16 VM. Told me I needed TPM2.0 to install Win 11. Do I need a different VM?

 

[danuff]

I am already running Windows 11 ARM on a Mac mini M1 and have had NO problems so far. Got it from the Windows Insider program. Maybe Parallels aught to do that.

 

[OGD114]

It is a mess isn’t it? Like Windows 10 has the old control panel from Win 7, the “we’re also a tablet” settings from Win 8 and a whole new layer of settings for Win 10. It’s like all you have to do is keep scratching the surface to find the stuff that worked 12 years ago.

I’ll give MS the benefit of the doubt that it’s been cleaned up in Win 11 but the strategy for it seems to be more in-line with competing with Chromebooks then fixing Windows problems.

Covid pushed the virtual desktop model up by a few years for business users. As more people are home based going forward, their technology needs will be focused on what helps them at home more than ever, (i.e. they've gotten more comfortable with a virtual environment). Xcloud lets them work out the kinks, before they launch something similar to Chrome with Windows. To Microsoft's benefit, Satya is much more of a capable CEO than Sundar.

 

[SegNerd]

Wow, Parallels confirmed that Windows 11 will be available for Macs? That's almost as good as if Dunkin Donuts confirmed it!

 

[DeepIn2U]

I am running the ARM version on my M1 Mac mini.

Windows 11 has a full ARM coded version? I’m not sure Microsoft will make that publicly available, I hope so but doubtful.

 

[DeepIn2U]

As long as MS sticks to it's guns on TPM 2.0. MacOS will support computers older than Windows 11 does. There's even plenty of reports on computers less than a year old not working. Plus loads of people can't figure out how to enable TPM. As much of the computers with TPM support leave it disabled by default.

cant recent pcs be upgraded to support TPM 2 via the NMVE drives or uef/bios?

 

[IG88]

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[williedigital]

A weird way of seeing it. I prefer, Apple doesn't bog down new machines maintaining support for legacy software and hardware. If anything, Apple's issue is that they update their hardware so irregularly that when it comes time to upgrade they are still selling the same stuff.

Win11 looks to be fixing that, by cutting support at Intel gen 8 and Ryzen Gen 2. Hopefully, they stick to this, so they can clean up the OS, but knowing Microsoft they will cave closer to the launch of the product.

Pshhhh. "bog down" This is exactly the kind of b.s. marketing argument that lets them get away with forced obsolescence. Continuing support for older machines has no negative impact on speed of newer machines.

 

[williedigital]

We're I in MS's shoes I'd be noticing the writing is on the wall for Intel. With the rising power and usage of ARM based mobile devices and Apple's switch to ARM for it's PCs I'd be targeting the ARM version of windows for boot camp on M1 Macs rather than supporting a market that will be dwindling.

If PowerPC and the dream of G5 laptops should have taught us anything, it's not to forecast CPU trends too far into the future. I recall people being amazed at the spped of the first Intel dev system like they are now with apple silicon.

 

[4jasontv]

Pshhhh. "bog down" This is exactly the kind of b.s. marketing argument that lets them get away with forced obsolescence. Continuing support for older machines has no negative impact on speed of newer machines.

That doesn't pass the smell test. Any time spent supporting old hardware is time not better supporting new hardware. Even if old drivers didn't slow down a PC, the opportunity cost of supporting them prevents the OS from being optimal.

 

[williedigital]

While I prefer RISC to CISC, Apple didn't make the M1 move in the right way: they expect that the software industry will follow and port their software, because Apple thinks they still can make the market move at will, like in the Jobs era. That's a big mistake, because iOS is strong, but MacOS isn't anymore: In the field of Architecture and AEC (which is the field I know best), all the users with Macs used Bootcamp or Parallels, as all the applications in the area are Windows only (except AutoCAD, which is used less and less nowadays, and ArchiCAD).

What's going to happen isn't that Revit, SAP2000, or Robot will be ported to ARM. They won't be ported. What will happen is that no Architecture student is going to buy a Mac anymore.

I've seen this move in my Architecture School: Ten years ago, most students had a Mac. Today, all of them have PCs, just because neither Revit nor any other software used at the School runs on MacOS.

Of course there's a second read to this: The main goal of Apple is the iPad. They really want the iPad to be the bestselling "computer" (if you can call that a computer). So, they don't care what software is supported on the Mac, provided that the iPad is cheap and everybody can buy it, so that, a decade from now, all major apps will run on it. That's obviously their strategy. But no, my computer will be a computer, not an iPad.

This is interesting input, but very niche. More likely all "normal" software will be cloud based in 5-10 years as 5g becomes ubiquitous.

 

[williedigital]

You say this outside of any knowledge of coding resources available. Apple has 7x the employee base of mid-2000's and OSX is not 7x better. Were it not for the graphical design makeover of Mavericks, there is little compelling that's changed in a decade.

That doesn't pass the smell test. Any time spent supporting old hardware is time not better supporting new hardware. Even if old drivers didn't slow down a PC, the opportunity cost of supporting them prevents the OS from being optimal.

 

[williedigital]

Oh? From a previous column on this site describing the hardware requirements for macOS Monterey:

• ‌iMac‌ - Late 2015 and later
• ‌iMac‌ Pro - 2017 and later
• ‌MacBook Air‌ - Early 2015 and later
• MacBook Pro - Early 2015 and later
• Mac Pro - Late 2013 and later
• Mac mini - Late 2014 and later
• MacBook - Early 2016 and later

Last time I looked the year 2013 was 8 years ago. Not 5-6 years.

So the least selling and most expensive computer can still run it eight years later. This info only proves his point. Meanwhile, my mid-2010 MacBook pro runs latest windows 10 without issue but apple restricts it to 10.13 arbitrarily.

 

[4jasontv]

You say this outside of any knowledge of coding resources available. Apple has 7x the employee base of mid-2000's and OSX is not 7x better. Were it not for the graphical design makeover of Mavericks, there is little compelling that's changed in a decade.

I just used logic. Resource availability isn't necessary to make a conclusion.

 

[PhillyGuy72]

In other Windows news.

RIP Blue Screen of Death
Hello Black Screen Of Death.

 

[Shirasaki]

VMWare very definitely doesn't support it. They're only working on Linux support for Fusion on M1. (and why I wont be buying the new version!) Their reasoning is the EULA for WoA.

Then I expect parallel announces no windows support very soon.